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[MisterDyslexo]

Matthewrs7 wrote...

I just bought ME2 for my PC. Garrus is my favorite chatacter and I was really hoping to have my male Sheppard have a relationship with him. But when I found out that ME2 still doesnt allow it, it was a dissappointment to me,

There's a mod out there for that and every other romance too. From what I hear they're actually very popular among PC users. Shows plenty of support for it I guess, even if most of them don't say anything about it

[Quething]

ElitePinecone wrote...

By Gibbed you mean the save editor? I wasn't aware it could be used on Xbox versions...?

It requires a bit of fiddling, but it can. Same process ought to work for the PS3 version as well, a computer with a USB port is a computer with a USB port, regardless of branding.

Ultimate preference though is for an opportunity to re-romance the Virmire survivor with a Shep of the same gender, which could then be carried into ME3 - but I'm hardly optimistic.

I'm a big Virmire Surivor DLC supporter (why do all my threads get moved to register-only forums? ) and I gotta say, if I actually got the 2-for-1 of an Alliance DLC that opens Kaidan and Ash to s/s Shepard romance, I would have a heart attack. It would be a happy heart attack, to be sure, but I'm just saying, the shock would be pretty extreme. Doesn't mean I'm not still gonna ask for it, of course, especially since it probably would be the best solution, as has been enumerated in this thread (least effort required by BioWare, least likely to get screwed up/end up being insulting or pandering, least likely to impugn on folks who hate the idea of s/s romances because most of them will have opposite sex VS anyway and never even see the content, etc etc).

eta: I can spell Kaidan's name, really 

Modifié par Quething, 23 septembre 2010 - 02:05 .

[MisterDyslexo]

Quething wrote...

I'm a big Virmire Surivor DLC supporter (why do all my threads get moved to register-only forums? ) and I gotta say, if I actually got the 2-for-1 of an Alliance DLC that opens Kaiden and Ash to s/s Shepard romance, I would have a heart attack. It would be a happy heart attack, to be sure, but I'm just saying, the shock would be pretty extreme. Doesn't mean I'm not still gonna ask for it, of course, especially since it probably would be the best solution, as has been enumerated in this thread (least effort required by BioWare, least likely to get screwed up/end up being insulting or pandering, least likely to impugn on folks who hate the idea of s/s romances because most of them will have opposite sex VS anyway and never even see the content, etc etc).

It could go pretty well if it happened in the DLC. Get a chance to start a romance that never happened in ME1, whether its the straight or gay romance. A big reason you may not have romanced the VS (in a hetero romance) could have been because youromanced Liara in ME1 which would've gotten in the way of romancing the VS, so have Shepard say "Oh yeah, I broke up with Liara and I want you". Maybe its just "We never had any time together" or something like that. While they're at it, they could just make this DLC s/s romance a possibility while they're at it. There's no reason why they couldn't be handled the same way, right?

And on the plus-side, its not "getting forced" on anybody, because it would be DLC, and totally optional. If you dislike the idea so much, don't get the DLC.

[ElitePinecone]

Quething wrote...
I'm a big Virmire Surivor DLC supporter (why do all my threads get moved to register-only forums? ) and I gotta say, if I actually got the 2-for-1 of an Alliance DLC that opens Kaidan and Ash to s/s Shepard romance, I would have a heart attack. It would be a happy heart attack, to be sure, but I'm just saying, the shock would be pretty extreme. Doesn't mean I'm not still gonna ask for it, of course, especially since it probably would be the best solution, as has been enumerated in this thread (least effort required by BioWare, least likely to get screwed up/end up being insulting or pandering, least likely to impugn on folks who hate the idea of s/s romances because most of them will have opposite sex VS anyway and never even see the content, etc etc).

I agree with the shock thing - I think a DLC for the Virmire survivor is fairly likely, but much less so is the potential for s/s romances to be opened up for Shepard. It didn't happen with Liara (as in, players couldn't begin a romance with her), and I can't see how Bioware would explain or justify new romances with Ashley or Kaidan. I'd love to be proved wrong, however!

You're very right though, insofar as their very difficulty to keep alive into ME2 with a same-gendered Shep means that a majority of the player base will presumably never encounter any possible Virmire Survivor s/s romance. To a certain extent this is unfortunate - I'd hate to have to replay 2 games just to get a s/s romance - but if it's considered easier to implement than an ME3 romance, then it should be advocated. 

Perhaps some kind of official save-game editing utility could be made available, if only so that new ME2 players could have some kind of control over the imported ME choices, especially if these choices (rachni etc) will have a significant impact on ME3. I suppose it's an incentive to buy and play the first game, though.

[Quething]

MisterDyslexo wrote...

Maybe its just "We never had any time together" or something like that. While they're at it, they could just make this DLC s/s romance a possibility while they're at it. There's no reason why they couldn't be handled the same way, right?

Don't forget frat regs. Ash and Kaidan were subordinates and therefore theoretically off-limits to Shep in ME1, something both of them will remind you of. In ME2, that restriction is gone, and either the VS or Shep making a new overture now that the rules aren't an issue makes perfect sense.

If they're clever there could even be shades of political commentary in there. I mean, I'd slide some in. Then again I'm bitter. <_<

Here's a question; there's been a lot of VS talk, which I'd kind of expect for a lot of reasons, but what about the ME2 LIs? Given the same "originally in the character concept based on audio evidence" limitation, if your maleShep could hook up with Thane or your femShep could hook up with Tali or Miranda, how many people would actually go for it? On a "canon"/"mainShep" playthru, mind, not the alt you put together just to try out a different storyline.

[Valakas]

Gay romances in Mass effect? Well i can't say that i'm thrilled by the idea, in fact i would rather NOT to see them (i'm sorry), but i guess it's just fair for gay people, so why not.

Just a little thing, i would be stupid, ridiculous and unrealistic that ALL your squadmates are misteriously bisexual or gay.

I mean, according to statistics only about 4% of the earth's population is gay or bisexual, and to say that for some incredible coincidence all your squadmates are attracted to both genres is just.... idiotic. Also a previously not gay character (like Thane) suddenly becoming gay is also not believable.

A brand new gay/bixesual character like Kelly chambers would be reasonable.

Just don't make a whole new gay squad for ME 3, those dossier missions are really unimportant and uninteresting (most of them).

Modifié par Valakas, 24 septembre 2010 - 07:15 .

[Rogue Unit]

Valakas wrote...

Gay romances in Mass effect? Well i can't say that i'm thrilled by the idea, in fact i would rather NOT to see them (i'm sorry), but i guess it's just fair for gay people, so why not.

Just a little thing, i would be stupid, ridiculous and unrealistic that ALL your squadmates are misteriously bisexual or gay.

I mean, according to statistics only about 4% of the earth's population is gay or bisexual, and to say that for some incredible coincidence all your squadmates are attracted to both genres is just.... idiotic. Also a previously not gay character (like Thane) suddenly becoming gay is also not believable.

A brand new gay/bixesual character like Kelly chambers would be reasonable.

Just don't make a whole new gay squad for ME 3, those dossier missions are really unimportant and uninteresting (most of them).

Even though Thane showed no romantic feelings towards men and was happily married to a woman supporters of this thread will say "Thane never specifically said 'I'm not gay,' so he can still be open for S/S."

The only one that really stated her sexual preference is Jack.

And if you don't want to see S/S romances you're probably in luck. Bioware has flat-out said 'Shepard isn't gay' and I doubt they'll change that in ME3, but who knows? Maybe they're reading this thread right now.

[DanaScu]

Rogue Unit wrote...

Even though Thane showed no romantic feelings towards men and was happily married to a woman supporters of this thread will say "Thane never specifically said 'I'm not gay,' so he can still be open for S/S."

The only one that really stated her sexual preference is Jack.

And if you don't want to see S/S romances you're probably in luck. Bioware has flat-out said 'Shepard isn't gay' and I doubt they'll change that in ME3, but who knows? Maybe they're reading this thread right now.

They also said Liara isn't female.

So if your not-gay male Shep romanced Liara, that makes him what?

My femShep romanced Liara. That would make her what?

Or are you one of the "only Sheploo is the real Shepard, so femSheps don't count" people?

Or is this under the "femShep can be gay but not maleShep" category cause guys are okay with that....

Modifié par DanaScu, 24 septembre 2010 - 08:29 .

[Siansonea]

Rogue Unit wrote...

Valakas wrote...

Gay romances in Mass effect? Well i can't say that i'm thrilled by the idea, in fact i would rather NOT to see them (i'm sorry), but i guess it's just fair for gay people, so why not.

Just a little thing, i would be stupid, ridiculous and unrealistic that ALL your squadmates are misteriously bisexual or gay.

I mean, according to statistics only about 4% of the earth's population is gay or bisexual, and to say that for some incredible coincidence all your squadmates are attracted to both genres is just.... idiotic. Also a previously not gay character (like Thane) suddenly becoming gay is also not believable.

A brand new gay/bixesual character like Kelly chambers would be reasonable.

Just don't make a whole new gay squad for ME 3, those dossier missions are really unimportant and uninteresting (most of them).

Even though Thane showed no romantic feelings towards men and was happily married to a woman supporters of this thread will say "Thane never specifically said 'I'm not gay,' so he can still be open for S/S."

The only one that really stated her sexual preference is Jack.

And if you don't want to see S/S romances you're probably in luck. Bioware has flat-out said 'Shepard isn't gay' and I doubt they'll change that in ME3, but who knows? Maybe they're reading this thread right now.

They've also previously said something to the effect that Mass Effect games would never go to the PS3, so we know they're able and willing to change their minds.

[Ryzaki]

If there was s/s on the PS3 version of the (all but in name) original ME1 I would be ecstatic.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 24 septembre 2010 - 08:46 .

[kalle90]

Valakas wrote...
Just a little thing, i would be stupid, ridiculous and unrealistic that ALL your squadmates are misteriously bisexual or gay.

Haven't posted in this thread in a while, but this is something I agree with. It was bad enough in the 1st two games with all the opposite genders + liara throwing themselves at me. If we have the entire squad fully open minded and perhaps some more fan wishes like Parasini and Shiala it will probably feel weird turning down dozens of people.

If all the people have firm yet different beliefs they should also have some sort of sexual orientations. Some are straigth, some bi and some gay and you can't turn them with your charm or intimidation. Although some people here seem to hope, not everyone is fully open minded and it should be like that in the game too. Garrus was so awkward even with femShep I can't believe what it would be like with maleShep

[Valakas]

DanaScu wrote...

Or are you one of the "only Sheploo is the real Shepard, so femSheps don't count" people?

You said it yourself, Male shepard is canon shepard, femshep does not count, does not exist and shouln't be taken into account.

Siansonea II wrote...

They've also previously said something to the effect that Mass Effect games would never go to the PS3, so we know they're able and willing to change their minds.

The're able to change their minds? More like they are able to lie.

But yeah you got a point.

[Ryzaki]

Valakas wrote...

You said it yourself, Male shepard is canon shepard, femshep does not count, does not exist and shouln't be taken into account.

/headdesks

You...you...you...can't be serious!?!?

[Valakas]

Ryzaki wrote...

Valakas wrote...

You said it yourself, Male shepard is canon shepard, femshep does not count, does not exist and shouln't be taken into account.

/headdesks

You...you...you...can't be serious!?!?

Dead serious.

There's only ONE canon shepard, and which one is in the cover of the game?

[MisterDyslexo]

Valakas wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Valakas wrote...

You said it yourself, Male shepard is canon shepard, femshep does not count, does not exist and shouln't be taken into account.

/headdesks

You...you...you...can't be serious!?!?

Dead serious.

There's only ONE canon shepard, and which one is in the cover of the game?

Maybe because the fact 12-year old boys don't want to play the game as a girl, since they have cooties

[Valakas]

MisterDyslexo wrote...

Maybe because the fact 12-year old boys don't want to play the game as a girl, since they have cooties

Or more like fifteen year old teenagers want to play the game as a girl because is "hot" and they do not have acces to real girls.





Hey look, i can give retarded arguments too!

[Cootie]

Valakas wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Valakas wrote...

You said it yourself, Male shepard is canon shepard, femshep does not count, does not exist and shouln't be taken into account.

/headdesks

You...you...you...can't be serious!?!?

Dead serious.

There's only ONE canon shepard, and which one is in the cover of the game?

Obviously.

I mean, I never quite understood why there are several possible love interests in the game, since it's all about Sheploo. Ashley is obviously the one LI that matters, because it's canon, so the others are completely unnecessary and a waste of space.

Also, character customisation never appealed to me, because, you know, there's only one Shepard with broad enough shoulders to be on the cover, right? We should all play as him, as the game was intended.
And classes?
Pfft, soldier all the way, brah.

Renegade and Paragon choices? I bet EA pushed all of this on Bioware, what with their effin' Sims stuff and their customisation traditions. Pfft, Bioware would've been so much better if they just made shooters, like Bungie.

Derp a durr.


AMAGAD PANIC EDIT:

Valakas wrote...

Hey look, i can give retarded arguments too!

Just, you know, putting this here.

Modifié par Cootie, 24 septembre 2010 - 11:04 .

[Ryzaki]

Valakas wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Valakas wrote...

You said it yourself, Male shepard is canon shepard, femshep does not count, does not exist and shouln't be taken into account.

/headdesks

You...you...you...can't be serious!?!?

Dead serious.

There's only ONE canon shepard, and which one is in the cover of the game?

...

<_<

The ridculousness in that statement makes my brain hurt. "Oh Tidus is the one in the cover of FFX so he's *obviously* the only protagonists!" 

...And "The male human noble warden was the one in all the trailors so *obviously* he's the only *canon* Warden!"

...Huh? You mean Dragon Age and both Mass Effect games offer gender changes and that it's pratically a staple of BioWare games? 

Naaaah. You being silly! Women can't save the world/galaxy!

Haha no. <_<

Shep isn't canonically anything as the Devs themeselves have said several times. Just because you're scared about someone playing a female protagonist and it being "canon" doesn't make the fact that Sheploo (or those who play a original male Shep) any less canon. 

There is NO CANON SHEPARD.

This has been said several times already.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 24 septembre 2010 - 11:05 .

[MisterDyslexo]

Valakas wrote...

MisterDyslexo wrote...

Maybe because the fact 12-year old boys don't want to play the game as a girl, since they have cooties

Or more like fifteen year old teenagers want to play the game as a girl because is "hot" and they do not have acces to real girls.

Thats why they have Miranda and Jack. Besides, a lot of guys would rather get hit on the half-naked crazy lady and have casual sex than experience "the priiiize"

[Quething]

Not that I'm not snickering madly, guys, but remember some arguments can't be won, and only lead to incivility and locked threads.



@Ryzaki - if save transferring is possible, s/s ME1 romances will be possible in a PS3 game anyway. Admittedly you have to know how to hex edit and, if you're a maleShep, not mind all the NPCs calling you "ma'am" the whole game long, but dammit, it's worth it to hear Meer give that line about the pleasure of Kaidan serving under him.

[Ryzaki]

MisterDyslexo wrote...
Thats why they have Miranda and Jack. Besides, a lot of guys would rather get hit on the half-naked crazy lady and have casual sex than experience "the priiiize"

I think I'd rather do that than the prize, to be perfectly honest.

*shudders* 

"Hello, Jacob"

MY EARS! WHY DOES FEMSHEP SOUND LIKE A RAPIST?!?

Edit: @Quething: 
@Ryzaki - if save transferring is possible, s/s ME1 romances will be
possible in a PS3 game anyway. Admittedly you have to know how to hex
edit and, if you're a maleShep, not mind all the NPCs calling you
"ma'am" the whole game long, but dammit, it's worth it to hear Meer give
that line about the pleasure of Kaidan serving under him.

Oh good. Though yes. That line is pure gold.

I fell in love with it the first time I heard it and that's rather rare.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 24 septembre 2010 - 11:25 .

[Valakas]

Cootie wrote...

Obviously.

I mean, I never quite understood why there are several possible love interests in the game, since it's all about Sheploo. Ashley is obviously the one LI that matters, because it's canon, so the others are completely unnecessary and a waste of space.

Also, character customisation never appealed to me, because, you know, there's only one Shepard with broad enough shoulders to be on the cover, right? We should all play as him, as the game was intended.
And classes?

Renegade and Paragon choices? I bet EA pushed all of this on Bioware, what with their effin' Sims stuff and their customisation traditions. Pfft, Bioware would've been so much better if they just made shooters, like Bungie.

Derp a durr.

Yeah i get your point but now understand mine.

I remember some time ago a dude complaining about how Bioware dediced to kill Wrex, he was all like "OMFG that ashley is a ****, why did she shoot wrex?? Holy ****!!" when it was clearly his choice to have him killed (even though he had no idea that he could've saved him... he replayed ME 1 after that).

My cannon shepard comment was mostly posted in order to invalidate the argument " well MYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY shepard romanced liara, now what?" When bioware's statement of shepard being not gay, was adressing the "canon shepard" situation, male shepard, and how ridiculous the "MY SHEPARD" argument is.

I also dislike the whole "femshep" thingy, mostly due to the fact on how annoying some of its fans have turned comments like "why are you refering to shepard as "HE" she is a woman!! " tend to get on my nerves, so i was partly returning the favor with that post.

Take it easy.

And classes?
Pfft, soldier all the way, brah.

I don't thing there's a thing such as canon class, they've never stated if shepard it's a soldier, adept, vanguard or whathever.

Ryzaki wrote...
The ridculousness in that statement makes my brain hurt. "Oh Tidus is the one in the cover of FFX so he's *obviously* the only protagonists!"

Errrm, actually he is the only protagonist, the other characters are just co-protagonist, secundary or support characters.

But anyway you take my comment in another direction:

Naaaah. You being silly! Women can't save the world/galaxy!

Haha no.

Shep isn't canonically anything as the Devs themeselves have said several times. Just because you're scared about someone playing a female protagonist and it being "canon" doesn't make the fact that Sheploo (or those who play a original male Shep) any less canon.

Hahaaha, oh wow, you just took my comment in a whole diferent direction.
 
I have no problems with women saving the galaxy (i like metroid games and i main Peach in Smash bros, if that helps), and i'm not "scared" about someone playing a female protagonist, and just to be clear that comment wasn't intended to be sexist or anything.

And there is canon shepard, but that's the good thing about ME, it lets you change the canon events, i do change the canon events i don't like (I believe Wrex dying is canon, and if so then screw that)

Modifié par Valakas, 25 septembre 2010 - 01:38 .

[Sonvega]

In .hack//g.u. 3, a ps2 action rpg, U.S.release Sep2007, you have 22 party members and you can marry the person you like, guys, girls, even the undead zombies, who can't talk at all.
You play as Haseo (3rd person male animeprotagonist) and he's a more defined character than Shepard, it's just a game so why can't you let the player choose who he or she likes.
Watching youtube vids to experience the missing story because there's a restriction ingame is no fun and not the same
I would even buy a mod from Bioware which unlocks all romances 10-20 Euro.
whatever, Mass Effect is not my favorite game because of this obstacle, sry for my English, it's not my mother tongue.
looking forward to play Fable 3 next month, there I can have s/s relationship and adopt children and be happy, unlike being alone and unhappy in a Mass Effect future

Modifié par Sonvega, 25 septembre 2010 - 01:51 .