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[Cootie]

I'm not really sure if I'd buy ME-3, but that's mainly because of other reasons. Sure, the lack of homosexual content was a huge let down when I played through ME-2 and it certainly plays a part in my scepticism of where the series is going, but it's only one part of it.

But yes, I very much like the idea of a mission with your love interest, as long as the love interest could be of any gender.

[Garuda One]

@sw33ts

Sorry if I didn't make it clear and simply thought people would have assumed that when I talk about this I'm implying it's for everyone, of all sex and sexuality preference. Also, from what elearon said and I strongly agree with them on is,

-elearon
"The subject matter is important, because so long as people who enjoy the romance aspect of games are marginalized - as the other poster was doing - arguments for an equal experience in that portion of a game are going to seem unimportant. Who cares if homosexuals don't get their part of the romance when only freaks and losers care about the love interest stories anyway?"

[edit] I'm terrible at trying to explain myself so this is going to be a lot longer then it should be. If you don't want to read it, I don't blame you.

As much as I hate to agree with elearon, they are indeed correct. What I distaste and find disturbing and dislike the most is how there can be 50 pages out of over 3k of people simply discussing how beautiful Samara's eyes are. When I see that, I don't know if the person behind that post knows the difference between reality and fantasy. After they've made that post do they go downstairs and kiss their gf/bf husband/wife or love interest or do they go to the giant picture of Samara on their wall and kiss it?

Not to make this sound personal on my own account - my cousin who lives off of us, granted I'm doing the same to my parents while I try to get a better job so I can live on my own and get back into college but she lives in our house because our internet is faster and so that she can download her dating sims and play WoW faster, while she lies to her girlfriend that she'll see her when she's not working. Eventually they broke up and my cousin didn't have the care in the world and I caught her talking to one of those dating sims. We are now trying to seek help for her, her girlfriend on the other hand cried for a good three hours and kept questioning me what does she see in that dating sim that she doesn't give to her 24/7. Myself? I've tried and tried to her to snap out of it and nothing had worked.

With that being said, think about my view point if I disliked the homosexual community and didn't want to see not only any homosexual characters in a BioWare game but didn't want to see a DLC with just more kissing and sexual acts, see my view point as how my friend saw the homosexual community before he played Dragon Age. As deep as I'm going into this for meerly a video game I stand by what I said in my drunken stupper. Video Games are becoming more and more popular and are starting to take effect more and more to our everyday lives. Now you and anyone else could disagree with my points and how I perceive things but when I look at the BioWare community I see a lot of people who would be interested in seeing a more romantic feel to the game and that number continues to grow. What it implies is that one, BioWare makes a damn good story and characters with but two, it questions me who are behind half of those computers.

I hope that BioWare adds more people to Mass Effect 3 that are more "open minded" have a few characters, one gay, one bi-sexual and one lesbian character. Hell do I care, with everything I've said I can also disprove myself and show that the my friend who mistreated the homosexual community to actual stop because of a character in a BioWare game.

In conclusion to my entire boring post? They could possibly be hesitant with doing anything more by adding homosexual characters, and yes this is all under assumption (I have these discussions and lot of other discussions revolving around these topics with my friends because I, myself am trying to get into the video game industry as a Concept Artist.) of how much the community likes their characters and likes them a little to much. Have you even seen the size of how much these "Fan Threads" get? If I was a higher up in BioWare as much as I like to see the community liking the characters and liking the romances I would also like to see as just as many threads pretaining to the combat and the balance between TPS and RPG elements. I haven't been on these forums as much as I use to because of a lot of things in my life but thats what it seems. The board that was suppose to be for theories and speculations is now a board for fan threads and how much the fans adore and love their said character.

If they can find a balance between romance options and gameplay I sure as hell hope they could add a few "open minded" characters in Mass Effect 3 or even in later games as well. What they don't want is a game that is simply a romance game with a story and you trying to flirt with your said crew member to get in bed with them.

I hope you guys could grasp what I'm trying to get at, I have a hard time trying to explain anything really and I don't want to derail this thread with what I'm trying to say because my main point is that I see out of many reasons why they are still hesitant on adding more gay characters is not because their gay but more so "the boundries of the romances and whats real and whats not" I hope you guys don't take offense to this post and this will be my last post for this thread, I don't want to create anymore wall of text and I don't want to derail this thread as well.

You have my full support for having gay characters in Mass Effect 3 and hopefully in future games as well.

Modifié par Garuda One, 18 juin 2010 - 12:30 .

[STG]

Little Timmy Mc Shooterguy: Mommy can we go to the store and but a new video game called Mass Effect 3, please?

Timmy's mother: Sure sweety let me just finish watching the news.

TV: And in other news, Mass Effect 3, latest instalment in controversial Mass Effect series is breaking new barriers of video game rules. Players will now be able to fully explore homosexual relationships as a both male and female character with a variety of potential partners, some of which not even human.

Timmy's mother: There is no way my child will be exposed to such grotesque imagery. I won't allow it! Timmy is there any other game you want?

Little Timmy Mc Shooterguy: Well there is Gears of War 3...

Timmy's mother: It's a deal.

And thus EA lost bundles of potential cash...

[mattahraw]

STG wrote...

Little Timmy Mc Shooterguy: Mommy can we go to the store and but a new video game called Mass Effect 3, please?

Timmy's mother: Sure sweety let me just finish watching the news.

TV: And in other news, Mass Effect 3, latest instalment in controversial Mass Effect series is breaking new barriers of video game rules. Players will now be able to fully explore homosexual relationships as a both male and female character with a variety of potential partners, some of which not even human.

Timmy's mother: There is no way my child will be exposed to such grotesque imagery. I won't allow it! Timmy is there any other game you want?

Little Timmy Mc Shooterguy: Well there is Gears of War 3...

Timmy's mother: It's a deal.

And thus EA lost bundles of potential cash...

I didn't see that report on the news about Dragon Age, or Jade Empire.

Besides which, there was small fox news outrage about ME1 and i don't think it hurt sales. All publicity is good publicity, they say.

[FataliTensei]

Bookman230 wrote...

Red's comment got me thinking. If they release ME3 without S/S romances, what would you do? Refuse to buy the game? Protest? Keep fighting for DLC? I would fight for more DLC, but I wouldn't refuse to buy the game unless the majority of the group do so, and I won't protest unless it's nearby(I doubt I can convince my parents to drive me to protest about a video game).

I probably wouldn't buy the game, but the S/S romances are just a part of the reason why, I don't wanna get off topic and go on about the other reasons though. Let's just say that I'm on the fence about buying ME3 right now for multiple reasons, gameplay and Bioware's attitude about some things mostly, but S/S romances will most likely be the factor that decides whether or not I sink 60$ into a game.

[STG]

mattahraw wrote...

Besides which, there was small fox news outrage about ME1 and i don't think it hurt sales. All publicity is good publicity, they say.

So you're saying that after hearing fox news reports, parents decided that their kids should play the game?

[KateKane]

STG wrote...

mattahraw wrote...

Besides which, there was small fox news outrage about ME1 and i don't think it hurt sales. All publicity is good publicity, they say.

So you're saying that after hearing fox news reports, parents decided that their kids should play the game?

I'd bet that the number of sales they lost because of Fox News is more or less equal to the sales the story gave them.
I'd also bet that most people who own the game are old enough to just buy it themselves.

[mattahraw]

STG wrote...

mattahraw wrote...

Besides which, there was small fox news outrage about ME1 and i don't think it hurt sales. All publicity is good publicity, they say.

So you're saying that after hearing fox news reports, parents decided that their kids should play the game?

No, that's not what i'm saying. But i'm sure after the publicity some people probably went out a bought it for themselves at stores. It's called brand awareness, and fox news' reports suddenly put the name "mass effect" into people's heads who may not have even heard of it before. The ol cliche of "all publicity is good publicity" is there for a reason

ME is rated for 15+ anyway, it's clearly not designed for the nintendo crowd/nuclear family. The primary demographic has always been adult gamers who buy for themselves.

[mattahraw]

Also, there were clearly identifiable lesbian relationships in Mass Effect 2 and we didn't hear a peep out of the american "news" channels.

[STG]

mattahraw wrote...
ME is rated for 15+ anyway, it's clearly not designed for the nintendo crowd/nuclear family. The primary demographic has always been adult gamers who buy for themselves.

Which would be true for ME2 if it weren't turned into a Gears clone. Since it was, it's audience was largely expanded into teenage boys who enjoy shooters.

Since we all know how they feel about all things gay, and how EA feels about profits it is safe to say that they won't risk anything to lose all that audience that ME2 brought in.

[STG]

mattahraw wrote...

Also, there were clearly identifiable lesbian relationships in Mass Effect 2 and we didn't hear a peep out of the american "news" channels.

Of course.

Put 2 women kissing in a comercial and no one will say a word. Do the same but with 2 guys and it's an outrage.

Modifié par STG, 18 juin 2010 - 12:57 .

[Cootie]

Dear STG, I'm sure you just want to be a realist and claim that it's futile. But it's mainly just putting words into the mouths of the developers/masses, which is kind of like putting two and two together and getting ten.

And as much as we enjoy talking about the state of homosexuality in the great scheme of things, can we return to the suggestions and discuss the topic at hand?

[The Uncanny]

jlb524 wrote...

The Uncanny wrote...

That way I'm roleplaying my Shepard the way I want to. Getting told 'not interested' may not be what I want to hear but at least it covers the issue instead of cowering from it.

I can see it now...ME3 won't have true s/s romances, but Shepard can at least get shot down by the same-sex heterosexual crew members.  They'll wrap it in a bow and call it 'progress'. 

The really sad part is that is would be progress...

[Cootie]

The Uncanny wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

The Uncanny wrote...

That way I'm roleplaying my Shepard the way I want to. Getting told 'not interested' may not be what I want to hear but at least it covers the issue instead of cowering from it.

I can see it now...ME3 won't have true s/s romances, but Shepard can at least get shot down by the same-sex heterosexual crew members.  They'll wrap it in a bow and call it 'progress'. 

The really sad part is that is would be progress...

I think the biggest let down was that there was no conclusion to any attempt at homosexual romance. It just stopped. It made it feel really broken and half-finished. It could really make do with some DLC-polishing.

It's like watching a dramatic movie trailer and right when it's starting to get climactic, the music stops playing. And you're left wondering if it's supposed to be that way or if there's something wrong or if they missed it.

[Onyx Jaguar]

I kind of wish you'd get rejected more often :/



But not in this option. Unless there were multiple options. Seems like everyone goes for you regardless of what kind of Shepard you are roleplaying

[Ziggy]

Shavon wrote...
We are having a hard enough time in the U.S. as it is to get the States on board with tolerance, so it's even more important for media outlets and entertainment to portray s/s relationships in a positive light. Bw has shown so much promise for this in the past. I would hate to see them take a step or two backwards, and ME2 was a big step backwards, for many reasons in this respect.

Agreed.
It's very good to see this thread back up again. It has my full support.

[FataliTensei]

slimgrin wrote...

Shavon wrote...

Despite the focus of more shooter aspects, and consequently more of the shooter crowd, ME is a Bw game, and many of the rpg fans of ME 1 are going to most likely keep up with the game. That being said, it would be wonderful if rather than taking a step back from what they achieved with s/s romances in JE and DA, that ME 3 would continue this progression.

We are having a hard enough time in the U.S. as it is to get the States on board with tolerance, so it's even more important for media outlets and entertainment to portray s/s relationships in a positive light. Bw has shown so much promise for this in the past. I would hate to see them take a step or two backwards, and ME2 was a big step backwards, for many reasons in this respect.

Cool profile photo Shavon.

I agree 100%. Mass Effect was my reintroduction into gaming after a 10 year hiatus. I was mesmerized by the game's ability to hold my attention during cut scenes... cut scenes! I hate cut scenes. Bioware, however, goes a step further by putting the player in control and fleshing out believable characters. Which brings us to the writing, and the adult content therein, and the people in the story, and their nature, and the fact that some of these well-written and believable characters might just be...gay. I'm not gay, but including same sex relationships in ME3 would be a milestone in gaming. It would make the game more realistic. It would orient the game to an adult market, which is fine by me.

While I didn't have a 10 year hiatus on gaming, Mass Effect(the first one, not the second one) did get me back into gaming after I had stopped playing for months due to a lack interest in the current gaming titles available.

[STG]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

I kind of wish you'd get rejected more often :/

But not in this option. Unless there were multiple options. Seems like everyone goes for you regardless of what kind of Shepard you are roleplaying

Seriously, I pissed Tali off in more than one occasion in ME, did the same throughout ME2, even got her exiled I think and she's still all over me.

[Onyx Jaguar]

STG wrote...

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

I kind of wish you'd get rejected more often :/

But not in this option. Unless there were multiple options. Seems like everyone goes for you regardless of what kind of Shepard you are roleplaying

Seriously, I pissed Tali off in more than one occasion in ME, did the same throughout ME2, even got her exiled I think and she's still all over me.

Yep, thats a major problem.  I mean it should work to various degrees not simply "paragon/renegade" system (stares at Samara) but how you treat that character and how they see your actions.  Some may be more renegade then others, some may be more paragon.  However I would say not to use the Dragon Age system however.  No disapproval then approval.  It should remain constant for some characters while others like Garrus, Tali and the Alliance Marines should be a bit more malleable than say Thane, Jacob and Miranda.  

[The Uncanny]

Cootie wrote...

I think the biggest let down was that there was no conclusion to any attempt at homosexual romance. It just stopped. It made it feel really broken and half-finished. It could really make do with some DLC-polishing.

It's like watching a dramatic movie trailer and right when it's starting to get climactic, the music stops playing. And you're left wondering if it's supposed to be that way or if there's something wrong or if they missed it.

Yes, you get the impression they spent so much effort on improving the game as a shooter that the character interaction came a distant second. It's the fact that this element - so crucial to those of us who love the series as a roleplaying game - feels just plain unfinished that irritates me most about ME2.

[Spornicus]

You can have like 5 husbands as a guy in Fable 2, and that didn't freak people out a lot. But deciding on buying a game based on whether you can gay it up is NOT a good way to make a decision on buying a certain game. And what about Liara/Femshep? Is that not good enough? Are people demanding Garrus get down with a male Shepard? That's still gonna ****** off a lot more people than if Bioware sticks with a straight Shepard. And above all, Bioware is a company. That wants to turn profit.

[Bookman230]

Spornicus wrote...

You can have like 5 husbands as a guy in Fable 2, and that didn't freak people out a lot. But deciding on buying a game based on whether you can gay it up is NOT a good way to make a decision on buying a certain game. And what about Liara/Femshep? Is that not good enough? Are people demanding Garrus get down with a male Shepard? That's still gonna ****** off a lot more people than if Bioware sticks with a straight Shepard. And above all, Bioware is a company. That wants to turn profit.

Now, some people want options. They might not like Liara, but she's the only true lesbian LI. Then there's not even a gay option. People aren't demanding specificly Garrus, most would be fine if a new character was introduced who was gay or if they made DLC to restore S/S content for those who originally had it(Ashley, Kaidan, Tali, and Thane, to be specific, links in OPs).

[sherban1988]

Spornicus wrote...

You can have like 5 husbands as a guy in Fable 2, and that didn't freak people out a lot. But deciding on buying a game based on whether you can gay it up is NOT a good way to make a decision on buying a certain game. And what about Liara/Femshep? Is that not good enough? Are people demanding Garrus get down with a male Shepard? That's still gonna ****** off a lot more people than if Bioware sticks with a straight Shepard. And above all, Bioware is a company. That wants to turn profit.

I dunno... Dragon Age had the male Warden get with Zevran (not to mention everything at the Pearl), and I haven't really heard a lot of complaining about that. Sure, there were some who *****ed about it, but then again, no matter what you do, there will always be people who aren't happy. No way around that.

Liara/Femshep was indeed better than nothing, but Malesheps had ZERO options in both ME1 and ME2. Now, personally, I wouldn't play a gay Maleshep, but there are people who would, and since I do play my Femshep as a lesbian, I think it's only fair that people have the option. And anyway, Liara/Femshep was in ME1. ME2 has nothing, nada, zilch.

I know, I know... "Some characters may simply not be gay!". True. But these are fictional characters. Their species, personality, looks, and yes, sexual prefferences are decided by someone when they are created. If you look on the first page, you'll see that at least some of the characters were intended to be romanceable by both male and female Shep, and then the same-sex part got cut out. That ain't right, in my opinion. I dunno if the devs simply decided they don't want SS romances, if they were afraid of public reaction (though again, looking at DA...) or what.

EDIT: BTW, where can I get one of them Fight for the Love banners for my sig?

Modifié par sherban1988, 18 juin 2010 - 05:48 .