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[MisterDyslexo]

LoveAsThouWilt wrote...

Is "closet case" frowned upon the gay community? Just asking.

wouldn't know that answer myself. I dont know any gay dudes in person myself.

In my experience, yes. I'm a closet case (DADT) so I can look at it from being "that guy". Generally I take a lot of heat, but I guess its mostly relative to who you are. Having the sex drive of a Salarian, I don't consider my sexuality relevant, and I wouldn't do this whole "coming out" thing since there's no point. But still I'd say some people perceive my type as people who turn their back on "my people". So its unpleasant, to say the least.

Note this has little to do with Mass effect. What do you think this actually can do with Kaidan, or any other character?

Modifié par MisterDyslexo, 19 décembre 2010 - 08:47 .

[MisterDyslexo]

Phantom Actuality wrote...

1.)  So if the media attacks a specific game, they can't attack another, they have to then either attack that same game, or not attack all?  Controversy is controversy.  A news story is a news story.  How could a reporter looking to attack Bioware skip the chance to attack whenever DA was released with gay content?

2.)  And what stats are you using for this?  And for this reason Fox let it slide?

Come on, that straw house has already been burnt to the ground.

Fox news got so much rage it wasn't worth going after DA:O, especially since it wasn't really targeted towards children like Mass Effect was (don't tell me it wasn't). And just the futuristic space setting holds a lot more influence over children than the old medieval days. Plus, having guns helps keep their attention. And DA:O had no such gratuitous sex scene, just 50 seconds of whatever that was. Besides, I'm sure they were busy with their NoBama socialist death-panel fear mongering.

[LoveAsThouWilt]

MisterDyslexo wrote...

In my experience, yes. I'm a closet case (DADT) so I can look at it from being "that guy". Generally I take a lot of heat, but I guess its mostly relative to who you are. Having the sex drive of a Salarian, I don't consider my sexuality relevant, and I wouldn't do this whole "coming out" thing since there's no point. But still I'd say some people perceive my type as people who turn their back on "my people". So its unpleasant, to say the least.

Note this has little to do with Mass effect.

I dont take any that I know of. i wouldn't consider myself a salarian, but I'm more on the line that I dont give a hoot. I like dudes, its that simple. people find out when the day comes I meet that special man (I'm a romantic, what can I say) besides that id be fine with my family anyways. I just don't see the reason to hold my sexuality up as something to be proud of as its not an accomplishment, it just a fact of circumstance. I happen to like men. Woopy fricken do eh? lol

[MisterDyslexo]

LoveAsThouWilt wrote...
I happen to like men. Woopy fricken do eh? lol

You do?!?! Lets give you a medal! derp

Modifié par MisterDyslexo, 19 décembre 2010 - 09:02 .

[Eromenos]

LoveAsThouWilt wrote...

Eromenos - That term does not fit the situation. He is asking because well some people may not want hit on by him. A straight warden or gay warden. Its no decloration of homosexuality is evil bla bla bla. And once again: stop derailing the thread please. Make a topic in Dragon Age forum or private message said person civily. This thread is related to Mass Effect since its in that section. To be honest we need a "general - general" thread to avoid this type of thing but until such, please show restraint so no lockdown of thread.

You havent told me yourself what you WOULD want in the future.

Scroll up on page 136, I already posted what I wanted along with what I predict will actually be.

This could be my last DAO post in this thread, since you addressed this topic to me. Sure hope that nobody  else will try to, for your sake.

Zevran- "It's not a problem for you that I'm a man?" My, perhaps it's- "It's not a problem for you that we're both men?"

Surely Alistair must be asking women that too. Plus Morrigan and Leiliana for their Wardens.

Yeah. I doubt it, since no one here has said anything to that degree. I'm going to hazard a guess and say that Zevran doesn't ask the women- "It's not a problem for you that I'm a man?" or "It's not a problem for you that I'm a man and you're a woman?"

Modifié par Eromenos, 19 décembre 2010 - 09:02 .

[ElitePinecone]

Please try to get back on track. Again, discussing the contemporary politics/sociology of homosexuality is not the purpose of this thread.

[BTL1]

I want a medal.

[LoveAsThouWilt]

Eromenos wrote...
Scroll up on page 136, I already posted what I wanted along with what I predict will actually be.

This could be my last DAO post in this thread, since you addressed this topic to me. Sure hope that nobody  else will try to, for your sake.

Zevran- "It's not a problem for you that I'm a man?" My, perhaps it's- "It's not a problem for you that we're both men?"

Surely Alistair must be asking women that too. Plus Morrigan and Leiliana for their Wardens.

Yeah. I doubt it, since no one here has said anything to that degree. I'm going to hazard a guess and say that Zevran doesn't ask the women- "It's not a problem for you that I'm a man?" or "It's not a problem for you that I'm a man and you're a woman?"

Why would he? You got to face facts: heterosexuality is the NORM males attracted to females. For our species adn most species it is so (unless which reproduce asexually and I know of none off the top of my head that do) but we for one dont. Biologically hetersexuallity is the norm. Why would a man even ASUME there would be probablem that he his a man, to a woman? Unless a previous indication that the woman is not straight.

 Zevran, if I remember, grew up around ****s, to put i bluntly so he himself is blunt in flirtation. Would a man fliriting with a man not ask to preclude i don't know embarassment of the man getting bent out of shape if he flat out flirted with him. I honestly don't see the issue with this situation that you do.


MOVING ON NOW THOUGH. DA DISCUSSIONS DONE. And I am going to sleep.

And if you guys lock up the thread by returning to discussion out of topic things instead of something along the lines as I suggested earlier then so bit it  *sigh*

Modifié par LoveAsThouWilt, 19 décembre 2010 - 09:12 .

[SkittlesKat96]

Bioware made an article on why Mass Effect shouldn't have same sex romance but people still want it? :S

[MisterDyslexo]

SkittlesKat96 wrote...

Bioware made an article on why Mass Effect shouldn't have same sex romance but people still want it? :S

They also said ME2 wasn't coming to PS3.

As opposed to any other of BW's games, this game will be the least impacted in the main plot by the romances. All the characters are fairly average, as in they have no real divine calling or royal mandate, special powers, or anything. The plot argument generally can be beaten on that alone.

Modifié par MisterDyslexo, 19 décembre 2010 - 09:15 .

[LoveAsThouWilt]

Phantom Actuality wrote...

@Eromenos
This topic is on the fringes of politics enough as it is.  Politics is going to rear it's head in this thread.  Sometimes it can't be helped.  I'm not going to go deeper into politics with you than I lalready have. Obviously your politics and mine are quite different.

No entity is prestine or totally innocent, but your constant railing at Bioware is ridiculous, quite frankly.  You appear to be full of anger, to the point that you've lost perspective, or so it seems to me.

So your solution is to accuse me of being insincere, and dismissing my argument, with the intention I presume, of margianlizing me.  That seems to be a bit ironic.

I think it's suffice to say that we don't need to communicate with one another any more on this public forum.  After reading your post, I imagine that you quite agree with that.

Well said and I happen to agree NOW. Before..... sleep. I am going to ask you, Phantom, what type of a romance would you like to see in the future. New rules regarding the difficulty, loyalty whatever. Be it in Mass Effect 3 (whom youd lke to see) or somewhat else in the Mass Effect Universe possibly. Be creative. A setting, etc.

[GLaDOS-03]

MisterDyslexo wrote...
2. Dragon Age doesn't quite draw in all
the Halo fragkids. Kids tend to find the space setting much much more
attractive than the medieval age, especially since they have guns so
clearly having guns in a game makes it a combat focused shooter
*facepalms at people who don't understand R,P,G*

Well what about Fallout : New Vegas , i don't remember fox news saying anything about it ? after all it does have guns.

[lewis1306]

AHHHHHHHH!!



...Sorry, I just am SO tired of this topic.



Look people, there are no humans in Mass Effect that are less than 4 feet tall. you don't see people with dwarfism in the ME forums complaining about "little people discrimination" or talking about how Bioware isn't taking little people's needs into concideration.



You don't have the option to make a morbidly obese Shepard and there are no "Bioware hates fat people" threads.



You don't have the option to go through the mass effect or ME2 campaign in a wheelchair and you don't see people making countless threads complaining about the game not having a "paraplegic option".



Homosexuals are a relatively tiny minority. Bioware doesn't have to account for every minority in order to prove that they are not sellouts. They do not have to cater to any group just to prove a point.



Bioware doesn't have anything against homosexuals. They don't need to put gays in every game in order to prove that.



I'm not a hater either. I don't have anything against gay and lesbian people. Actually, I hope there is at least 1 gay dude in ME3 just so that I don't have to see any more of the annoying "fighting for gay love in mass effect" poping up.



seriosly people.... Get over it.

[Eromenos]

LoveAsThouWilt wrote...

Eromenos wrote...
Scroll up on page 136, I already posted what I wanted along with what I predict will actually be.

This could be my last DAO post in this thread, since you addressed this topic to me. Sure hope that nobody  else will try to, for your sake.

Zevran- "It's not a problem for you that I'm a man?" My, perhaps it's- "It's not a problem for you that we're both men?"

Surely Alistair must be asking women that too. Plus Morrigan and Leiliana for their Wardens.

Yeah. I doubt it, since no one here has said anything to that degree. I'm going to hazard a guess and say that Zevran doesn't ask the women- "It's not a problem for you that I'm a man?" or "It's not a problem for you that I'm a man and you're a woman?"

Why would he? You got to face facts: heterosexuality is the NORM males attracted to females. For our species adn most species it is so (unless which reproduce asexually and I know of none off the top of my head that do) but we for one dont. Biologically hetersexuallity is the norm. Why would a man even ASUME there would be probablem that he his a man, to a woman? Unless a previous indication that the woman is not straight.

 Zevran, if I remember, grew up around ****s, to put i bluntly so he himself is blunt in flirtation. Would a man fliriting with a man not ask to preclude i don't know embarassment of the man getting bent out of shape if he flat out flirted with him. I honestly don't see the issue with this situation that you do.


MOVING ON NOW THOUGH. DA DISCUSSIONS DONE. And I am going to sleep.

And if you guys lock up the thread by returning to discussion out of topic things instead of something along the lines as I suggested earlier then so bit it  *sigh*

Everything you said I've already known, but you left something out. DAO, ME1, KOTOR, JE, ME2...all of them do more than just reinforce the fact we're outnumbered. The ratios they present are like 500:1. In ME1's case, absolute 0. And all their few examples are marked by apologist handshakes to homophobia, not the least of which is this particular character's interactions with a male PC who is returning his interest.

A straight man need never feel apologetic for who he likes, but gay and bisexual men always have to express shame?

.........

I think you're giving credit and space for this because you're used to thinking around straight people's comforts. I should clarify, comforts of the homophobic segment of the straight and queer communites. Obviously not all and not just straight people. Don't take this the wrong way, but you're inadvertently adopting homophobia by  promoting and tip-toeing around the thought that, "I have to assume a guy cannot handle it if I want to tell him how important he is to me."

It is not hard to imagine Zevran totally skipping that thought with men. These game-worlds are constructs. BioWare does not lack for imagination, but when they rarely visit M/M or F/F BioWare insists on some illusion that same-sex attractions and relationships must always be lesser.

Just so that this isn't all about DAO...I seriously doubt Big Ben will be viable for us. He's a square-jawed hypermasculine white male and BioWare isn't going to dare for our sakes when he's their new posterboy. The action-crowd is content to accept that he's one of them, which translates into not being one of us. ME2 was all about the action-crowd, and we become secondary not only as LGBT gamers, but as nerd gamers too.

Modifié par Eromenos, 19 décembre 2010 - 04:09 .

[Eromenos]

Phantom Actuality wrote...

@Eromenos
This topic is on the fringes of politics enough as it is.  Politics is going to rear it's head in this thread.  Sometimes it can't be helped.  I'm not going to go deeper into politics with you than I lalready have. Obviously your politics and mine are quite different.

Yes, definitely.

No entity is prestine or totally innocent, but your constant railing at Bioware is ridiculous, quite frankly.  You appear to be full of anger, to the point that you've lost perspective, or so it seems to me.

Of course they anger me. I care a lot. Truth be told, all of this practice continually sharpens my perspective.

So your solution is to accuse me of being insincere, and dismissing my argument, with the intention I presume, of margianlizing me.  That seems to be a bit ironic.

I think it's suffice to say that we don't need to communicate with one another any more on this public forum.  After reading your post, I imagine that you quite agree with that.

Judging by this, you haven't got a response for the fact that your value of free speech is acceptable at its cost to gay people so I guess we're done. I could've dredged up libel as a similarly codified yet oppositional concept to abuses of free speech, but I was only saving it for something that isn't going to happen.

Modifié par Eromenos, 19 décembre 2010 - 04:07 .

[Pacifien]

Some of you will understand what I mean by the following and some of you will not. I apologize to those who do not.

Let it go.

Modifié par Pacifien, 19 décembre 2010 - 06:12 .

[Alphyn]

Pacifien wrote...

Some of you will understand what I mean by the following and some of you will not. I apologize to those who do not.

Let it go.

I think I have an idea what you mean.

[LoveAsThouWilt]

Everyone start condensing your quotations more like the moderator said earlier as well.



Phantom - it would be great to have dialogue that was UNIQUE to having romancing a character. Cause in reality you wouldn't expect all these characters to open up as they do so easily. It would be after romancing them, once they are brought closer, that you'd hear things about their past they would just as readily hidden.

[MisterDyslexo]

Getting of topic for second, but do you have two different profiles Pacifien? Because this woodland critter has Sten-face, where the other pic i've seen is happy face.



Back on topic, I want to see what people think of the whole "getting hit-on" aspect of the game. Quite frankly, I have no love for it, and I think it'd solve a lot of potential problems for everyone. It probably all goes back to the colour-text flirtatio.

[LoveAsThouWilt]

I don't remember any character in Mass Effect flat out hitting on me. Gianna Parassini and Thessia on Illium do not count. Giving Shepard a kiss when they had the opportunity to do so? I would too! And if I were any character that may have hit on him throughout the game then once I again I would have too. It doesn't make an assumption that he likes men or women specifically. The most charming man to women could just as easily prefer men lol

[MisterDyslexo]

I personally did quite see Parasini as really hitting on you as well, but Shiala definitely came off that way. She even said "Someday when I'm not organizing colonies, and you're not doing... whatever you do..." *flirtatious facestroke*
Its odd because nobody really made anything of it like they did Zevran, so I'm guessing that its just a case of "lesbians are sexy, guys are icky".

To me, they would've won points if Parasini did that peck to FemShep as well as MaleShep (which by looking at that huge awkward pause, they intended it). And it clear as day that the Tali flirt was intended for both sexes. The Miranda flirtation is completely avoidable as a male, and the option doesn't appear as a female, so at least that might've been a case of "genuinely planned to be straight".

Modifié par MisterDyslexo, 19 décembre 2010 - 07:14 .

[kill_switch_423]

Wow. I love this thread, it contains some of the most intelligent debate on the forum, which is odd considering the content you'd expect a LOT of flaming from certain close-minded individuals. Anywho...

As for what I'd like in future ME relationships in general? A combination of ME's systemwith the Approval system, kind of. I found it odd that on my Renegade Shep, who romanced Jack and then gave the Collector Base to Cerberus, got chewed out majorly by Jack in the end-game but was then able to call her up to his chambers to cuddle. O_o; You actions in missions should affect a character's opinion of you, just as much as your direct conversations with them. Act like a dick to a Quarian? Don't expect Tali to fall for you without a damn good reason/apology. Garrus seems like he'll love you no matter what you do, but that's more or less his character; Shepard is Garrus' role model one way or another. Play nice to Cerberus? Jack would like to have a word with you. Toss in more s/s options, especially m/m, and the game would become a hell of a lot more meaningful. More relationship-specific dialogue in missions would be nice, too. They flirt with you on the Normandy, why not a word or two about it in a random conversation during a quiet moment on a mission?   ((Edit: I think that Virmire is one of he reasons Wrex is such a great character.   It makes him feel more like he has his own values over blindly following Shepard.))

Also, seeing unromanced characters pairing up with each other would be nice. Jacob and Miranda getting back together, Tali and Kal'Reegar, etc. This would make everyone seem more alive as well. It would also help define certain character's relationship interests, which seems to have been one of the issues displayed in this thread. Say, a new crew member getting with another male crew member. ~shrug~

((Edit::  Also, bringback "What was your opinion on the last mission?"  Those were some of my favorite conversations.))

Modifié par kill_switch_423, 19 décembre 2010 - 07:40 .

[shumworld]

kill_switch_423 wrote...

Also, seeing unromanced characters pairing up with each other would be nice. Jacob and Miranda getting back together, Tali and Kal'Reegar, etc. This would make everyone seem more alive as well. It would also help define certain character's relationship interests, which seems to have been one of the issues displayed in this thread. Say, a new crew member getting with another male crew member. ~shrug~

((Edit::  Also, bringback "What was your opinion on the last mission?"  Those were some of my favorite conversations.))

Kasumi comments about Jacob always had me ROFL.

"That Jacob. mmmmm I wonder if he has a interest in japanese cleptomaniacs. "