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[MisterDyslexo]

Its okay Ryzaki, you're just going a little to far. No problem with that. Just take the time to cool off. As to counter the argument made by 2knsiika. You clearly feel that the comic is a canon part of the series. However, there are two things against that.

1. Canon goes against the nature of RPG. I will not go further in depth, because if you don't understand that, its pointless to continue on this bulletpoint.

2. The comic itself is supposed to be a summary of something that came before it. Now a summary is just that- a summary. You know the definition, and that it doesn't encompass everything that happened. However because the summary includes things that are relevant, it doesn't mean that it leaves out things that aren't relevant. No mention of Feros, explanation of the Protheans. It doesn't even say that Benezia was Liara's mother until it says something like "Liara had to see her mother die in front of her". The summary has proven inaccurate in multiple examples, and thus should not be considered a reliable source to fuel the story forward. By your logic, that summary could just have easily said that Saren was your best-buddy before your attack, and there's nothing said in MAss Effect 2 to prove otherwise.

tl;dr

1. Canon is anti-RPG
2. The summary is invalidated constantly, losing any validity as a summary. The only way that this "proof" that Shepard is straight is if the writers decide to override every single thing that happened in ME1 and go off the comic strip. Which would invalidate half of Mass Effect 2, and make Mass effect 3 no more than what didn't make it into Modern Warfare 2's plotline (which i insist was written by Tom Clancy's 8-year old child)

Modifié par MisterDyslexo, 26 janvier 2011 - 11:31 .

[JrayM16]

Ryzaki wrote...

JrayM16 wrote...

There is certainly info that is ignored but none that directly contradicts per se.  You are taking your overall impression of the comic and refuting various things in it because of that. 

BTW, I would like to take this time to say that I am pro ******/bisexual relations in ME.  What I am against is logical fallacies.

Really? So the Rachni queen left with her drones? 

Also: She was hostile?
There were mass relays into dark space? 

Kaidan's spelled Kaiden? 

Husks have red blood?

Garrus is a top agent for C-Sec?

Tali/Garrus dual wield?



Shall I go on? 

Shep's "Ooh so smart and beautiful!" to Liara was just more of shoving BW's favorite character down my throat. I'm getting sick of it.

I'll give you the Rachni and dark space relay ones.  Kaidan's name being mispelled is kinda lame but it's more likely just something the editors didn't catch, I don't think it counts as a blatant contradiction. 
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Garrus was high enough in C-Sec to be assigned a high-profile case involving a potential rogue Spectre, that's pretty damn important.  There's also the line in ME1 when Garrus talked about "ordering Citadel Control to fire on Dr. Saleon's ship".  Sure he was overruled but that would seem to indicate some kind of rank.  ME1 also never specifically elaborated on Garrus's position within C-Sec so there's nothing to contradict. 

The dual-wielding and blood things are stylistic art choices that I think fall into fair ground for the artistic liberty's of the artist.

[Sabariel]

2kgnsiika wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

2kgnsiika wrote...

That statement is questionable at best. Even if every white person ever thought that, a very large number of the audience would not. And I'm not sure your analogy is valid. When you have a character that has a known characteristic (in this case, heterosexual attraction) but no evidence of a contrasting characteristic (homosexual attraction), it is not the same as having an unknown character without any known characteristics pointing toward a particular attribute (in this case, light skin tone).

Except for the fact that you know...Shepard doesn't actually have to romance Liara.

Gay men can find straight woman good looking. Tis not a foreign concept.

Finding someone good-looking is not quite the same as being attracted to someone (which Shepard is).

The comic doesn't imply an attraction though, for either gender. I didn't feel the comic leaned me toward an actual attraction to any squadmate.

[JrayM16]

2kgnsiika wrote...

JrayM16 wrote...

2kgnsiika wrote...

JrayM16 wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

^You do realize I was trying to point out his flawed logic to him right?

And yet again I wonder why oh why couldn't PS3 players just get ME1. *sigh* It would've been better for everyone.

...And the fact that the lead writer worked on it but got the story of ME1 was wrong is just...just...urgh.

I was pointing out his fallacy in the ignorance one and yours in the genetic one.  You believe the comic is a faulty source so you reject all within it.  He assumes that Shepard is straight since there is no proof to the contrary.

You got it wrong. I said there is proof that Shep is straight and no proof to the contrary. No argument from ignorance there.

The evidence is questionable but can ostensibly prove that Shepard is not gay, but not that he is straight.  FOr example, a totally straight guy could say that Brad Pitt is a really handsome man.  This does not necessarily mean the man is attracted to Brad Pitt.  You're also ignoring the Bioware stance of Asari being asexual, which is the official cannonical stance of Bioware, albeit they did that mainly to dodge the lesbian sex scene bullet.  Can I definitively prove that Shepard is straight or gay, no.  All I did was show that you lack satisfactory evidence to support your conclusion, therefore, what's left of the argument rests on a logical fallacy.

But my whole argument rests on the evidence, so if I'm wrong it's not because of a logical fallacy but misinterpreted evidence. I merely brought the lack of contrary evidence up, because Ryzaki was claiming that it existed.

Lack of contrary evidence as an argument is a logical fallacy.  You have to find proof that disporves the opposing point, not just show that the opposing point doesn't have any substantial proof.  Showing a lack of evidence can help an argument, but only next to evidence which supports your position substantially.

[Ryzaki]

JrayM16 wrote...

I'll give you the Rachni and dark space relay ones.  Kaidan's name being mispelled is kinda lame but it's more likely just something the editors didn't catch, I don't think it counts as a blatant contradiction. 
'
Garrus was high enough in C-Sec to be assigned a high-profile case involving a potential rogue Spectre, that's pretty damn important.  There's also the line in ME1 when Garrus talked about "ordering Citadel Control to fire on Dr. Saleon's ship".  Sure he was overruled but that would seem to indicate some kind of rank.  ME1 also never specifically elaborated on Garrus's position within C-Sec so there's nothing to contradict. 

The dual-wielding and blood things are stylistic art choices that I think fall into fair ground for the artistic liberty's of the artist.

If he was overruled by someone in C-Sec I don't see him as being a top agent.

Doesn't he specifically mention working under someone in ME1?

And really in ME1 I think that would've been worth mentioning if it were true. But you're right it's not directly contradictory.

As for the art: They're supposed to be expanding on the world not going off on their own tangent. That's what leads to contradictions in the first place.

Okay let's throw in some more.

- Tali's evidence was apparently a holographic recording of Saren. It also somehow proved Sovereign was his flagship.

- Anderson voluntarily gives up command of the Normandy. His connection to Saren? What connection?

- It's said that Saren was there with Benezia, and you just miss him.

- Tank-bred krogan? They "weren't real", and were "mindless beasts".

- Ilos? Just some old planet.

- Vigil? Just a "prothean databank" that Shep was able to access and understand with no problem.

- Reapers? On Ilos, Shep learns they really do kill everything, not just spacefaring civilizations.

Some more: 


The Normandy leads a "combined galactic fleet". Humanity and the other races all take down Sovereign.

Despite that "combined galactic fleet", it's just humanity that'll take a hit if the Council is saved.

Shep isn't asked to recommend a Councilor. Shep is given full authority to choose, as if that wasn't just a gameplay thing.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 26 janvier 2011 - 11:35 .

[JrayM16]

Ryzaki wrote...

JrayM16 wrote...

I'll give you the Rachni and dark space relay ones.  Kaidan's name being mispelled is kinda lame but it's more likely just something the editors didn't catch, I don't think it counts as a blatant contradiction. 
'
Garrus was high enough in C-Sec to be assigned a high-profile case involving a potential rogue Spectre, that's pretty damn important.  There's also the line in ME1 when Garrus talked about "ordering Citadel Control to fire on Dr. Saleon's ship".  Sure he was overruled but that would seem to indicate some kind of rank.  ME1 also never specifically elaborated on Garrus's position within C-Sec so there's nothing to contradict. 

The dual-wielding and blood things are stylistic art choices that I think fall into fair ground for the artistic liberty's of the artist.

If he was overruled by someone in C-Sec I don't see him as being a top agent.

Doesn't he specifically mention working under someone in ME1?

And really in ME1 I think that would've been worth mentioning if it were true. But you're right it's not directly contradictory.

Okay let's throw in some more.

- Tali's evidence was apparently a holographic recording of Saren. It also somehow proved Sovereign was his flagship.

- Anderson voluntarily gives up command of the Normandy. His connection to Saren? What connection?

- It's said that Saren was there with Benezia, and you just miss him.

- Tank-bred krogan? They "weren't real", and were "mindless beasts".

- Ilos? Just some old planet.

- Vigil? Just a "prothean databank" that Shep was able to access and understand with no problem.

Being under someone else's command doesn't mean you can't be  a "top whatever".  A colonel in an army is a really high-ranking officer, but he's still under a general.

The hologram was another stylistic choice.

Anderson sort of voluntarily gives up command.  He is willing, it just wasn't his idea.

The Saren Benezia thing is weird.

We couldn't really tell what exactly the Krogan were one way or another. 

THe Ilos thing is more of a case of skipping over plot info that wasn't absolutely essential for the sake of time.

Vigil was always basically just some old Prothean databank.  Vigil even says that he synthesized their language from audio observation.  We got most of the essential Vigil info from the comic, mainly that the Citadel was a trap.

[JrayM16]

Ryzaki wrote...

[- Reapers? On Ilos, Shep learns they really do kill everything, not just spacefaring civilizations.

Some more: 


The Normandy leads a "combined galactic fleet". Humanity and the other races all take down Sovereign.

Despite that "combined galactic fleet", it's just humanity that'll take a hit if the Council is saved.

Shep isn't asked to recommend a Councilor. Shep is given full authority to choose, as if that wasn't just a gameplay thing.

THe Reaper thing is semantics to make it sound more dramatic.  It's a grain of salt question.

The Alliance made up pretty much all the reinforcing fleet from the beginning, it was always going to be human lives that were sacrificed to save hte COuncil.  This is referenced multiple times in both games.

The COuncil actually says "recomend" at the end of ME1, or something to that effect.

[Ryzaki]

JrayM16 wrote...

Being under someone else's command doesn't mean you can't be  a "top whatever".  A colonel in an army is a really high-ranking officer, but he's still under a general.

The hologram was another stylistic choice.

Yeah but proving Soverign was his flagship? Really? 

Also the actual data was a voice recording. The info is straight out wrong. Stylist or not.

Anderson sort of voluntarily gives up command.  He is willing, it just wasn't his idea.

I saw it more as he volunarily gave up his ship after Udina blocked him with the whole "Saren and you have history!" thing but it can be seen that way.

The Saren Benezia thing is weird.

And plain wrong considering Saren was never on Noveria in the first place.

We couldn't really tell what exactly the Krogan were one way or another.

They were Krogan.Considering they attacked us and were working with the geth it doesn't seem that they were completely mindless.

THe Ilos thing is more of a case of skipping over plot info that wasn't absolutely essential for the sake of time.

So the last stand of the Prothens and the location of the Conduit wasn't essential to the ME1 plot? Okay then...

Vigil was always basically just some old Prothean databank.  Vigil even says that he synthesized their language from audio observation.  We got most of the essential Vigil info from the comic, mainly that the Citadel was a trap.

Vigin was more than just a databank. He kept the Proteans in stasis and looked after the station...thing...whatever it was.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 26 janvier 2011 - 11:46 .

[Ryzaki]

JrayM16 wrote...

THe Reaper thing is semantics to make it sound more dramatic.  It's a grain of salt question.

The Alliance made up pretty much all the reinforcing fleet from the beginning, it was always going to be human lives that were sacrificed to save hte COuncil.  This is referenced multiple times in both games.

The COuncil actually says "recomend" at the end of ME1, or something to that effect.

Doesn't stop it from actually being completely wrong in addition to contradicting the story of ME1.

If the comic is to be believed humanity shouldn't exist because we would've been destroyed along with the Protheans.

The same thing wth the fleet. 

Yes Recommend =/= choose.

And the last one:
Shep isn't assigned to go clean up the geth. Shep goes looking for
"answers", and the mop up of Saren's "armies" is just a cover story.

If this one was true we'd get some damn backup from the council! 

"Ah yes 'Reapers'. We have dismissed that claim." 

Looking for answers indeed.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 26 janvier 2011 - 11:48 .

[2kgnsiika]

MisterDyslexo wrote...

Its okay Ryzaki, you're just going a little to far. No problem with that. Just take the time to cool off. As to counter the argument made by 2knsiika. You clearly feel that the comic is a canon part of the series. However, there are two things against that.

1. Canon goes against the nature of RPG. I will not go further in depth, because if you don't understand that, its pointless to continue on this bulletpoint.

2. The comic itself is supposed to be a summary of something that came before it. Now a summary is just that- a summary. You know the definition, and that it doesn't encompass everything that happened. However because the summary includes things that are relevant, it doesn't mean that it leaves out things that aren't relevant. No mention of Feros, explanation of the Protheans. It doesn't even say that Benezia was Liara's mother until it says something like "Liara had to see her mother die in front of her". The summary has proven inaccurate in multiple examples, and thus should not be considered a reliable source to fuel the story forward. By your logic, that summary could just have easily said that Saren was your best-buddy before your attack, and there's nothing said in MAss Effect 2 to prove otherwise.

1. I disagree, but I think I understand you point. While canon events and characters in RPG do not comprise all that is possible within the RPG, certain things are true for every player. For example, ME is set in the Milky Way Galaxy and Shepard is a marine. Now, we're talking about something that may or may not be visible to the player in the game (Shepard's feelings toward Liara), but [i]is[/ı] visible to everyone in Genesis (or so I say). So the whole question is whether we should consider Genesis canon and whether Shepard actually expresses sexual attraction or romantic feelings toward Liara. I'll get back to that later.

2. I also disagree that we should entirely discard Genesis as a source. The fact that it contains things that outright contradict the game (Shepard "knows" something about multiple relays to darkspace) are no problem. They are told by an in-universe character who simply lies or is mistaken. You're right that it also omits important things. Again, no problem. It's just a human talking about something that happened years ago.

Genesis also provides information that we are not given in-game, in this case, that Shepard states that he has feelings toward Liara no matter what (and I'll get to proving that later). This contradicts nothing presented to us in-game, so there is no reason to discard it.

In the end, we are talking about a fictional universe and what we agree is true in that universe. This has more to do with convention (unless we want to go the platonist route) than any actual reality. It is merely usual with regard to entertainment franchises that any source material provided by the official author/developer is regarded canon, unless there is real a problem with that. If some of that material clearly contradicts  the primary material, then it is to be discarded. Take, for example, that Udina is Councilor in Retribution. This is then supposed to be canon. But the primary source material is the game, where Udina is not necessarily the Councilor. Therefore, we can disregard that fact in Retribution. Does this mean nothing in Retribution is canon, then? Of course not.

The same applies to Genesis. Just because you say it is inaccurate in many instances does not mean that it should be discarded entirely. (Again, this is just convention and the usual way of handling things.) Therefore, any information provided in Genesis but not in-game should be regarded canon, unless there is a contradiction.

[JrayM16]

Ryzaki wrote...

JrayM16 wrote...

Being under someone else's command doesn't mean you can't be  a "top whatever".  A colonel in an army is a really high-ranking officer, but he's still under a general.

The hologram was another stylistic choice.

Yeah but proving Soverign was his flagship? Really? 

Also the actual data was a voice recording. The info is straight out wrong. Stylist or not.

Anderson sort of voluntarily gives up command.  He is willing, it just wasn't his idea.

I saw it more as he volunarily gave up his ship after Udina blocked him with the whole "Saren and you have history!" thing but it can be seen that way.

The Saren Benezia thing is weird.

And plain wrong considering Saren was never on Noveria in the first place.

We couldn't really tell what exactly the Krogan were one way or another.

They were Krogan.Considering they attacked us and were working with the geth it doesn't seem that they were completely mindless.

THe Ilos thing is more of a case of skipping over plot info that wasn't absolutely essential for the sake of time.

So the last stand of the Prothens and the location of the Conduit wasn't essential to the ME1 plot? Okay then...

Vigil was always basically just some old Prothean databank.  Vigil even says that he synthesized their language from audio observation.  We got most of the essential Vigil info from the comic, mainly that the Citadel was a trap.

Vigin was more than just a databank. He kept the Proteans in stasis and looked after the station...thing...whatever it was.

A lot of this comes down to the necessities of a plot summary.  If the info isn't relevent to the story about to be told, then it's not needed in the recap. 

A good recap summarizes all the information that the audience needs to know to enjoy the story about to be told.  Whether or not Tali had proof of Sovereign being Saren's flagship or not is irrelevent to the story of ME2, therefore the two plot elements were folded together for a more concise recap.

[Ryzaki]

^Actually a good recap keeps info brief but accurate.

The comic doesn't.

Sure maybe it's not the most important thing ever what the data is but for consistency and accuracy sake its best to leave certain things alone.

This isn't supposed to be a linear story where things get stale if you repeat them to often. It's an RPG, it's difficult enough to transcribe it into comic form without rpping out and replacing story elements with unneeded fluff.

The bit about Soverign being Saren's flagship could've been placed somewhere else. (Hell even after the whole Shep's a spectre convo.)

Modifié par Ryzaki, 26 janvier 2011 - 11:53 .

[JrayM16]

Ryzaki wrote...

JrayM16 wrote...

THe Reaper thing is semantics to make it sound more dramatic.  It's a grain of salt question.

The Alliance made up pretty much all the reinforcing fleet from the beginning, it was always going to be human lives that were sacrificed to save hte COuncil.  This is referenced multiple times in both games.

The COuncil actually says "recomend" at the end of ME1, or something to that effect.

Doesn't stop it from actually being completely wrong in addition to contradicting the story of ME1.

If the comic is to be believed humanity shouldn't exist because we would've been destroyed along with the Protheans.

The same thing wth the fleet. 

Yes Recommend =/= choose.

And the last one:
Shep isn't assigned to go clean up the geth. Shep goes looking for
"answers", and the mop up of Saren's "armies" is just a cover story.

If this one was true we'd get some damn backup from the council! 

"Ah yes 'Reapers'. We have dismissed that claim." 

Looking for answers indeed.

Shepard is a spectre, he has the power to go on his own missions.  The Council knew what Shepard was doing even if they didn't believe in Reapers, so they issued a cover story to prevent people from panicking over what the Council believed was a "false" threat.

[JrayM16]

Ryzaki wrote...

^Actually a good recap keeps info brief but accurate.

The comic doesn't.

Sure maybe it's not the most important thing ever what the data is but for consistency and accuracy sake its best to leave certain things alone.

This isn't supposed to be a linear story where things get stale if you repeat them to often. It's an RPG, it's difficult enough to transcribe it into comic form without rpping out and replacing story elements with unneeded fluff.

The bit about Soverign being Saren's flagship could've been placed somewhere else. (Hell even after the whole Shep's a spectre convo.)

The info is accurate enough that it won't damage a newbie's understanind of the story.

[shoggoth1890]

Jray, you appear to be a bit more rational, do you know just what the instance in the comic of which they speak is? Is it just about his comment after his "mind meld" with Liara?



This is asked, not is support of you per se Ryzaki, but because I have no idea what you guys are referencing, and actually stating what it is in no unclear terms will help your cases.

[Ryzaki]

He was assigned to go after the Geth. He might've chosen not to but that's what he was assigned to do.

And heck that's exactly what Shep was doing. He wasn't looking for answers. They were flying around investigating some random disappearances that he didn't know had anything to do with the collectors.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 26 janvier 2011 - 11:55 .

[JrayM16]

shoggoth1890 wrote...

Jray, you appear to be a bit more rational, do you know just what the instance in the comic of which they speak is? Is it just about his comment after his "mind meld" with Liara?

This is asked, not is support of you per se Ryzaki, but because I have no idea what you guys are referencing, and actually stating what it is in no unclear terms will help your cases.

There were two main things in relation to Liara.  ONe was that in the comic's narration SHepard called Liara "beautiful" when describing her.  THe other was that he said he "enjoyed" the mind meld. 

Both could potentially lead one to the conclusion that Shep is default straight, but I believe this is false.

[Ryzaki]

JrayM16 wrote...
The info is accurate enough that it won't damage a newbie's understanind of the story.

Really? So not knowing the Citadel was the one Mass Relay leading into dark space, The conduit was the backup  way to get there (without driving all the way there) won't hurt a newbie's understanding of the story? 

Not knowing the Reapers only kill those who use their tech isn't hurting understanding? 

[JrayM16]

Ryzaki wrote...

He was assigned to go after the Geth. He might've chosen not to but that's what he was assigned to do.

And heck that's exactly what Shep was doing. He wasn't looking for answers. They were flying around investigating some random disappearances that he didn't know had anything to do with the collectors.

Who said anything about Collectors?  Shep and those who believed him knew that the Geth were in alliance with the Reapers so finding Geth is a logical step in finding clues about the Reapers.  And makes for a convinient cover story.

[Sabariel]

JrayM16 wrote...

shoggoth1890 wrote...

Jray, you appear to be a bit more rational, do you know just what the instance in the comic of which they speak is? Is it just about his comment after his "mind meld" with Liara?

This is asked, not is support of you per se Ryzaki, but because I have no idea what you guys are referencing, and actually stating what it is in no unclear terms will help your cases.

There were two main things in relation to Liara.  ONe was that in the comic's narration SHepard called Liara "beautiful" when describing her.  THe other was that he said he "enjoyed" the mind meld. 

Both could potentially lead one to the conclusion that Shep is default straight, but I believe this is false.

Especially since Lady Shepard says the exact same things about Liara

[Ryzaki]

JrayM16 wrote...

There were two main things in relation to Liara.  ONe was that in the comic's narration SHepard called Liara "beautiful" when describing her.  THe other was that he said he "enjoyed" the mind meld. 

Both could potentially lead one to the conclusion that Shep is default straight, but I believe this is false.

I wouldn't mind the above so much if it was consistent with all the LIs. I really wouldn't. It's especially jarring with a female shepard who calls Kaidan a "good kid" but goes who "beautiful and intelligent" liara is. Ugh. Gag me with a spoon.
Though the enjoying the mind meld will always bug me.

I guess Shep had a good time when Shiala did it too then.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 27 janvier 2011 - 12:00 .

[JrayM16]

Ryzaki wrote...

JrayM16 wrote...
The info is accurate enough that it won't damage a newbie's understanind of the story.

Really? So not knowing the Citadel was the one Mass Relay leading into dark space, The conduit was the backup  way to get there (without driving all the way there) won't hurt a newbie's understanding of the story? 

Not knowing the Reapers only kill those who use their tech isn't hurting understanding? 

The Citadel thing, fine.  THe conduit?  No, not necessary as long as it is not used as a plot device again, which is unlikely as the Reapers are about to get the the galaxy anyway.

[2kgnsiika]

Now, to proving that Shepard indeed expresses sexual attraction and/or romantic feelings toward Liara in Genesis:



Shepard says four things of note:



1) "[Liara is] as beatiful as she is intelligent."

2) "[Liara gave me] a new appreciation for the asari"

3 "[Liara's mind meld technique] was unexpected... but not at all unpleasant."

4) "Ashley was a little concerned about the connection I shared with Liara."



So, Shepard says that Liara is beautiful, intelligent, made him appreciate the asari in a new way, that an extremely intimate act performed by her on him felt pleasant and that they shared a connection.



Now, you might want to say that there was necessarily no relationship, but it does in the very least prove that Shepard is able to gain sexual pleasure and share an intimate connection with a woman he thinks is beautiful. If this does no prove his capability of being sexually attracted to women, I don't know what does.

[Ryzaki]

JrayM16 wrote...
The Citadel thing, fine.  THe conduit?  No, not necessary as long as it is not used as a plot device again, which is unlikely as the Reapers are about to get the the galaxy anyway.

Ah true the Conduit probably will be ignored and never mentioned again. Probably like Shep's visions. <_<

Oh why did you remind me.

The reapers are going to drive to earth. That'll be fun.

The only thing Shepard did was buy them a couple of years.

[Sabariel]

2kgnsiika wrote...

Now, to proving that Shepard indeed expresses sexual attraction and/or romantic feelings toward Liara in Genesis:

Shepard says four things of note:

1) "[Liara is] as beatiful as she is intelligent."
2) "[Liara gave me] a new appreciation for the asari"
3 "[Liara's mind meld technique] was unexpected... but not at all unpleasant."
4) "Ashley was a little concerned about the connection I shared with Liara."

So, Shepard says that Liara is beautiful, intelligent, made him appreciate the asari in a new way, that an extremely intimate act performed by her on him felt pleasant and that they shared a connection.

Now, you might want to say that there was necessarily no relationship, but it does in the very least prove that Shepard is able to gain sexual pleasure and share an intimate connection with a woman he thinks is beautiful. If this does no prove his capability of being sexually attracted to women, I don't know what does.

Lady Shepard says the exact same things so does that mean she is canonically gay?