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[STG]

Ah yes, anyone who doesn't support gay romance is a troll.



Nice to see close minded people in a thread that claims to be the opposite.

[Bookman230]

STG wrote...

Ah yes, anyone who doesn't support gay romance is a troll.

Nice to see close minded people in a thread that claims to be the opposite.

People putting up well thought arguments agianst s/s romances are okay. Putting up a statement like "classic heroes/anti heroes aren't gay" is a stupid argument, with no back up evidence and disregarding the fact that a female Shepard can be lesbian, which, according to him, classic (anti)heroes/heroines are not.

[STG]

Well he is right. Almost all heroes and anti-heroes in fiction are straight. I don't even know if there are any exceptions.

FemShep having an option to be gay makes me thing however. Maybe that guy that was used to model Shepard's face is against it being used in gay romance. Weak arguement, I know, but it's possible.

[Wittand25]

STG wrote...

Well he is right. Almost all heroes and anti-heroes in fiction are straight. I don't even know if there are any exceptions.

FemShep having an option to be gay makes me thing however. Maybe that guy that was used to model Shepard's face is against it being used in gay romance. Weak arguement, I know, but it's possible.

I don’t think that a model would have that much control about the game. What I want to say is that Vanderloo is not exactly famous enough to make that kind of demand, besides in an old thread ( nr.3 I believe) someone posted several images of Vanderloo that imply that he should not have a problem with appearing in a homoerotic situation. The same applies for the voice actor so the two men standard Shepard is composed of are most likely not the reason for the lack of m/m content.

[Boombox]

Nobody is saying shepard has to be gay, we just want the option. Yours will be straight so it won't mess with the "idea" that every hero/anti-hero is supposed to be straight. Your character is straight, cool, but why does mine have to be too?

[Christmas Ape]

STG wrote...

Well he is right. Almost all heroes and anti-heroes in fiction are straight. I don't even know if there are any exceptions.

...have you ever actually read early sci-fi? "Messing with sexual mores" was practically a requirement for the genre in the 70's. John Varley's Gaia series is quite frank about the subject.
The generic pulp-action mid-80's sci-fi danced around the issue because they were selling it primarily to teenage boys, but it was a staple of the early genre and it's the 21st century now.

Though if precedent isn't your argument, there's "Which should clearly indicate it's a rule to be followed as opposed to a lingering trend brought on by societal avoidance and repression of subject" as well.

[The Uncanny]

Just a reminder to everyone to stay on topic by keeping it to Mass Effect and avoid any personal attacks. Thank you!

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[Nordic Einar]

STG wrote...

Well he is right. Almost all heroes and anti-heroes in fiction are straight. I don't even know if there are any exceptions.

FemShep having an option to be gay makes me thing however. Maybe that guy that was used to model Shepard's face is against it being used in gay romance. Weak arguement, I know, but it's possible.

I assume you've never read Homer's Illyiad? I'm actually fairly certain several heroes from Greek literature, whom help define the term anti-hero were homosexual. 

Also, there's an entire section of your local boarders full of many examples of non-straight non-heteronormative heroes from a variety of genres, including science fiction, fantasy, or simple fiction. A lot of it is pretty good, too.

Further, who gives a heck about fiction? Possibly the greatest military general of all of history, Alexander the Freaking Great, was gay, or at the very least bisexual. I'm pretty sure the man who conquered almost all of the known world at the time pretty much nullifies any argument that homosexual men cannot be great warriors or heroes.

But hey, it's fine. Marginalize gays by claiming they can't be heroes or warriors.

[Wittand25]

LiquidGrape wrote...

This thread doesn't have the same "oomph" it had in the day. Suppose it was inevitable that people would stop bothering. Can't say I blame them.

It is not so much not bothering, more the fact that after discussing the topic for months you run out of new things to say. And unlike other threads, threads about this topic gets locked pretty fast for getting offtopic so new posts come slowly.

[Cootie]

Wittand25 wrote...

LiquidGrape wrote...

This thread doesn't have the same "oomph" it had in the day. Suppose it was inevitable that people would stop bothering. Can't say I blame them.

It is not so much not bothering, more the fact that after discussing the topic for months you run out of new things to say. And unlike other threads, threads about this topic gets locked pretty fast for getting offtopic so new posts come slowly.

Then let's get another discussion going!
Which character made you feel some definite (******)sexual tension while playing through Mass Effect 2 and how did you feel when you realised that your intergalactic gamefiles were incompatible?
(I wouldn't say "when you realised that they were straight", because that'd imply that they had a sexual preference.)


This discussion serves to point out what we, as loyal fans, would like to see more of/finished in a romance DLC-pack and at the same time give some feedback on how homosexual content can improve the game for many of the users.
Do not want any Bioware-flaming.

Yes/no?

[elearon1]

The way Tali behaves with you regardless of gender through most of the game had me thinking - or at least really hoping - she would go either way; she's already making a leap across the species divide anyway, so why not the gender divide?



Jack struck me as the sort who'd be willing to dance in the sack with either sex, especially considering her comments. I can see her as a definite bi.



Thane, for sure. He just has that something about him which says he could go either way ... he happens to also be the only male in the game I'd have a homosexual encounter with.



It can be difficult to say, though, because when you realize there is no one in the game compatible with your Shepard, you start feeling really darn lonely and begin looking for the possibility in everyone.

[Wittand25]

OK in ME2 Jacob and Jack for the following reasons:
Jacob had this two rather wierd conversations about the topic of fraternisation and the one that starts by Sheppard making Jacob a compliment about his body that Jacob returned. I honestly expected that Jacob would act like Sky in JE and would be an option for a Shepard who turned the females down.
Jack actually goes out of her way to portray herself as bisexual by sharing her history with the couple and also by answering with "A boyfriend or girlfriend, no" when Shepard asks if she has someone in her life.
Why I think that homosexual romances would be a good thing:
Allowing homosexual romances would increase the options for roleplaying, offer better ways for gay and lesbian gamers to identify with the main character and also a more natural feeling LI for the straight players who for some reason or another play as Shepard of the opposite sex.

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[STG]

I never saw gay hints in any squad member. Then again, I am a straight guy so I never went looking for them. Even in my FemShep playthroughs the thought of having a gay romance never crossed my mind until I saw this thread on the forums.

That said, thinking about it I can see Jack swinging both ways. She looks like a typical lesbian (Or bisexual since you can romance her as a guy). Tali maybe as well, but more like a youthful experimentation thing than something long term. Miranda would be a long shot but it could work with some effort put in the story.

As for the rest, I really can't see it. They all talk about their previous relationships and no one mentions anything to make me think they could be bi.

Nordic Einar wrote...

But hey, it's fine. Marginalize gays by claiming they can't be heroes or warriors.

But hey, it's fine. Put words in my mouth and claim that I used them.

[Nordic Einar]

STG wrote...

I

Nordic Einar wrote...

But hey, it's fine. Marginalize gays by claiming they can't be heroes or warriors.

But hey, it's fine. Put words in my mouth and claim that I used them.

I'm fairly certain suggesting that the traditional hero is always heteronormanitive, despite almost all of classical literature being written about gay men, is marginalizing homosexuals.  

I'm also amused that of my entire post, you quote sniped only this to reply to it, ignoring the entire rest of my refutation of your claim.

R.E - Squadmates

I was rather surprised when Kaiden and Ashley were locked out from S/S romances in the first games, as well as Tali in both.

[LiquidGrape]

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[STG]

Nordic Einar wrote...

I'm fairly certain suggesting that
the traditional hero is always heteronormanitive, despite almost all of
classical literature being written about gay men, is marginalizing
homosexuals.  

I'm also amused that of my entire post, you quote
sniped only this to reply to it, ignoring the entire rest of my
refutation of your claim.

Are you saying
that just because gay heroes exist in fiction that their number is equal
to straight ones? Because it isn't. Yes they exist, I never claimed the oposite but they don't exist in such huge numbers to make them an every day thing. How many video game heroes are gay anyway?

I also never used the word "always" what I said was almost all, meaning that there are expections.

[jlb524]

STG wrote...

Well he is right. Almost all heroes and anti-heroes in fiction are straight. I don't even know if there are any exceptions.

'Is' doesn't imply 'ought'.  Just because most characters happen to be straight in other fiction doesn't mean this ought to be the case for all fiction.

[jlb524]

Cootie wrote...

Which character made you feel some definite (******)sexual tension while playing through Mass Effect 2 and how did you feel when you realised that your intergalactic gamefiles were incompatible?

Tali, most definitely.  She was hella flirting with my FemShep.

I'm not really into her like that, so I didn't much care when the game decided to shut off all conversation with her after the flirting.

With Jack, there was no flirting or anything, but the way in which she worded some of her lines 'I've been with lots of people.  If you are asking about a boyfriend or a girlfriend, then no' plus her past sexual history with women would lead me to think that the writers added this to show the player that she was a potential f/f option.  Alas, she wasn't, and I have no clue why they added this stuff. 

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[silver_sparrow]

STG wrote...

Ah yes, anyone who doesn't support gay romance is a troll.

Nice to see close minded people in a thread that claims to be the opposite.

dude! you argue with people in almost every thread iv'e seen you in so yes I think your a troll.

[jlb524]

LiquidGrape wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

With Jack, there was no flirting or anything, but the way in which she worded some of her lines 'I've been with lots of people.  If you are asking about a boyfriend or a girlfriend, then no' plus her past sexual history with women would lead me to think that the writers added this to show the player that she was a potential f/f option.  Alas, she wasn't, and I have no clue why they added this stuff. 

Oh, but didn't you know? A woman who's into other women is just troubled. So it makes for a brilliantly "edgy" background story!

*slaps self on forehead*

Of course!!!!

[silver_sparrow]

jlb524 wrote...

Cootie wrote...

Which character made you feel some definite (******)sexual tension while playing through Mass Effect 2 and how did you feel when you realised that your intergalactic gamefiles were incompatible?

Tali, most definitely.  She was hella flirting with my FemShep.

I'm not really into her like that, so I didn't much care when the game decided to shut off all conversation with her after the flirting.

With Jack, there was no flirting or anything, but the way in which she worded some of her lines 'I've been with lots of people.  If you are asking about a boyfriend or a girlfriend, then no' plus her past sexual history with women would lead me to think that the writers added this to show the player that she was a potential f/f option.  Alas, she wasn't, and I have no clue why they added this stuff. 

I thought she would be romancable in my femshep playthrough but when i tried to go through with it she called me a bosh'tet

[STG]

silver_sparrow wrote...
dude! you argue with people in almost every thread iv'e seen you in so yes I think your a troll.

No I post an opinion and people argue with me. I don't want to start trouble but online forums are free for all to use, regardless if you agree or disagree with a certain topic.

Or is this thread reserved for only those who support it's idea and no one else?

[LiquidGrape]

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