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[Ryzaki]

MisterDyslexo wrote...

With Mordin aboard, anything's possible!

 

Mordin would probably give you advice wouldn't he? 

I wonder what he would say? Something about Krogan Deviance being enticed by flexibility? Or their rampaging nature? 

Sabariel wrote...

You'd need a helmet, something to bite down on, and a pry bar heated in the fire

 Nice. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 13 février 2011 - 07:06 .

[Sabariel]

Ryzaki wrote...

Sabariel wrote...

Forget Kaidan. I want a bisexual Grunt

...What?

How would that even work? *is genuinenly curious* 

You'd need a helmet, something to bite down on, and a pry bar heated in the fire

[Sabariel]

Ryzaki wrote...

MisterDyslexo wrote...

With Mordin aboard, anything's possible!

 

Mordin would probably give you advice wouldn't he? 

I wonder what he would say? Something about Krogan Deviance being enticed by flexibility? Or their rampaging nature? 

Sabariel wrote...

You'd need a helmet, something to bite down on, and a pry bar heated in the fire

 Nice. 

Mordin: "Krogan. They like to nuzzle. One must be-" *sniffs* "-prepared."

[Ryzaki]

Sabariel wrote...

Mordin: "Krogan. They like to nuzzle. One must be-" *sniffs* "-prepared."

 

I gues Shep is going to need some more Heavy Skin Weave! 

Poor Shep. 

Plus the fact that they have extra...bits and poor Shep is gonna be hurting later. 

[Praetor Knight]

How about this... 

[jeweledleah]

Ryzaki wrote...

jeweledleah wrote...

I give up. its pointless.

And by that I assume you mean you have no way of proving Kaidan's "straightness" one way or another right? 

Neither do I. Difference is I'm not insisting that he's straight. 

no, I give up becasue no matter what you say, you'll find a counter argument that's based on personal assumtions and "fluidity" of character development, regadless if that makes them act out of character, becasue hey - they are fictional, so there are no rules.

thank you though, for convincing me that I cannot be close friends with a lesbian, because platonic love doesn't exist.  actualy - apparently you cannot be close frriends, you know closer then blood relatives with anyone regardless of genders.  becasue sooner or later - it will turn to sex.  there's no avoiding it.

Modifié par jeweledleah, 13 février 2011 - 07:35 .

[Ryzaki]

jeweledleah wrote...
no, I give up becasue no matter what you say, you'll find a counter argument that's based on personal assumtions and "fluidity" of character development, regadless if that makes them act out of character, becasue hey - they are fictional, so there are no rules.

thank you though, for convincing me that I cannot be close friends with a lesbian, because platonic love doesn't exist.

Yes because you're not making any assumptions at all.       
   
  Plus Kaidan totally is stictly heterosexual...except you can't pinpoint where he said or even acted that way...because...? 

Right. That's totally what I said. Because we all know someone wanting to have sex with one person means they can't have platonic love with someone else! Tis impossible!

You can't want to be intimate with someone (in a sexual way) you normally wouldn't consider! That never happens. 

I've never seen such a bad case of missing the point in a while.  Really? You're now trying to exaggerate and saying that (oh noes Tali wanting to have sex means she'll want to have sex with Garrus next!). Seriously? I know there are different kinds of love jeweled. 

You still haven't answered my "why wouldn't Tali want to be sexually intimate with Shepard?" and why she absolutely never would just because they're different species. Because we all know you can't love one person and want to express that sexually and love someone else platonically. No ways. Not even if you don't really want to have sex but the other person does. Because we all know that never happens. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 13 février 2011 - 07:40 .

[Athro]

jeweledleah wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

jeweledleah wrote...

I give up. its pointless.

And by that I assume you mean you have no way of proving Kaidan's "straightness" one way or another right? 

Neither do I. Difference is I'm not insisting that he's straight. 

no, I give up becasue no matter what you say, you'll find a counter argument that's based on personal assumtions and "fluidity" of character development, regadless if that makes them act out of character, becasue hey - they are fictional, so there are no rules.

thank you though, for convincing me that I cannot be close friends with a lesbian, because platonic love doesn't exist.

I'm also very confused here. Nobody has said that platonic love doesn't exist. Just that your assertions that Kaidan is provably and undeniably straight are false.

You're saying that having Kaidan be bi in ME3 would make him be acting out of character - but there is nothing about Kaidan being bi that would make him out of character. Nothing about him has locked him into being straight and as has been consistently reiterated - being bi would not change anything that has been established about his character.

You have chosen to argue on the grounds that he is real and as such is out and out straight despite there being a decisive lack of evidence. You have then proceeded to be the one who turns a blind eye to reason while trying to claim that anyone who disagrees with you is being irrational and blind.

C

[jeweledleah]

then you are not stating your point clearly.



because apparently, regardless of your sexual preferences, regardless of your prior relationship, you can become sexually attracted to each other. somehow.

[Ryzaki]

jeweledleah wrote...

then you are not stating your point clearly.

because apparently, regardless of your sexual preferences, regardless of your prior relationship, you can become sexually attracted to each other. somehow.

To a certain person sure. I'm not saying you'll want to bone everyone. 

You're exaggerating my point to a ridculous extent. 

Tali has shown no attraction to human males. She's attracted to Shepard. Theres a large difference there. 

She's not willing to sleep with some random human male. She's willing to sleep with Shepard. 

It's not rocket science. 

The same thing happens with Garrus. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 13 février 2011 - 07:42 .

[jeweledleah]

she's not showing attraction to female Shepard though is she? (in before linking suits - her mother and her aunt also linked suits, its a gesture of trust, not physical attraction) Garrus doesn't provide a tie breaker option to maleshep, does he?



precedence. its a bother.

[Ryzaki]

jeweledleah wrote...

she's not showing attraction to female Shepard though is she? (in before linking suits - her mother and her aunt also linked suits, its a gesture of trust, not physical attraction) Garrus doesn't provide a tie breaker option to maleshep, does he?

precedence. its a bother.

I thought you were done with this? It seems your only done when you can start all over and ignore valid points people made. 

[jeweledleah]

I thought I was done too. go figure. not like people don't ignore the points I'm making in favor of their own interpretation.

[Athro]

jeweledleah wrote...

then you are not stating your point clearly.

because apparently, regardless of your sexual preferences, regardless of your prior relationship, you can become sexually attracted to each other. somehow.

I think it is you who is not making their point clearly. What the heck does the above have to do with having Kaidan as an option in ME3? What has it to do with having an m/m romance in ME3?

Why are you pulling out all this real-life relationships theory instead of addressing the counter points before you. You have failed to address the point that Kaidan can be bi in one playthrough and straight in another without harming the character or the story. Instead you just dismiss it out of hand because you have no rebuttal. You choose to continue trying to argue that Kaidan is categorically straight without providing any solid evidence to prove this as fact.

Why are you so threatened by the idea of Kaidan being bi? Because your arguments are pretty emotional.

C.

[Ryzaki]

jeweledleah wrote...

I thought I was done too. go figure. not like people don't ignore the points I'm making in favor of their own interpretation.

Okay so please I'm waiting for this citation of *anyone* or hell let's stick to the example. Prove Kaidan has no sexual interest in male Shepard. As in rejecting him or showing disgust/reluctance at the idea of being with male Shepard. 

Simply saying the option isn't in game doesn't disprove it (*points to Tali/Garrus* They weren't LIs in one. They became such in 2.). If Kaidan ever announces his sexuality please give me a citation. 

Then I'll take your word that Kaidan could never be interested in male Shepard. 

I suspect I'll be waiting a good long time. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 13 février 2011 - 07:50 .

[Praetor Knight]

jeweledleah wrote...

because apparently, regardless of your sexual preferences, regardless of your prior relationship, you can become sexually attracted to each other. somehow.

But maybe Shep can put out the classic word-jitsu and force LI's to do what Shep wants, right?



Seriously though, so far I'm agreeing with you, jeweledleah. Preferences of such a nature are more nature than nurture, from my experiences and learning.

Why not simply introduce new characters with such preferences?

[Athro]

jeweledleah wrote...

I thought I was done too. go figure. not like people don't ignore the points I'm making in favor of their own interpretation.

I can't speak for others, but I have addressed every point you have made. In return you have avoided and ignored every counter point I have made. To the point that you have just handwaved away my arguments rather than try to address them.

C

[Athro]

Praetor Shepard wrote...

jeweledleah wrote...

because apparently, regardless of your sexual preferences, regardless of your prior relationship, you can become sexually attracted to each other. somehow.

But maybe Shep can put out the classic word-jitsu and force LI's to do what Shep wants, right?



Seriously though, so far I'm agreeing with you, jeweledleah. Preferences of such a nature are more nature than nurture, from my experiences and learning.

Why not simply introduce new characters with such preferences?

Mostly because Kaidan's preference hasn't been established. We have had no solid evidence that he is only straight. Nothing about his character, history or actions to date have meant that he couldn't turn out to be bi.

C

[Praetor Knight]

Athro wrote...

Mostly because Kaidan's preference hasn't been established. We have had no solid evidence that he is only straight. Nothing about his character, history or actions to date have meant that he couldn't turn out to be bi.

C

What about Fem-Shep?

[Ryzaki]

Praetor Shepard wrote...

Athro wrote...

Mostly because Kaidan's preference hasn't been established. We have had no solid evidence that he is only straight. Nothing about his character, history or actions to date have meant that he couldn't turn out to be bi.

C

What about Fem-Shep?

What about her? I could say the same thing for Tali not revealing (or even seeming) like she had a crush on Male Shep in ME1. 

[jeweledleah]

your counterpoints are based on your personal interpretations of the characters. I haven't ignored or avoided them, I've addressed them multiple times.



no matter. either bioware will stick to original story for once, or we'll get another ret-conned Talimance. Shepard is not enough of a http://tvtropes.org/...n/MemeticSexGod yet, apparently.

[Ryzaki]

That said I would prefer BW put the resources into some awesome new squaddies. Please let sniper guy be a squaddie! Bi, straight, asexual I don't care! I want him on my squad.



And please let the characters from ME1 be optional. :/ I do not want certain people forced down my throat.

[Athro]

Praetor Shepard wrote...

Athro wrote...

Mostly because Kaidan's preference hasn't been established. We have had no solid evidence that he is only straight. Nothing about his character, history or actions to date have meant that he couldn't turn out to be bi.

C

What about Fem-Shep?

Bi guys can fall in love and be in committed relationships with women just as much as men. If you require him to be solidly bi throughout all games.

Although, as I have been arguing, it's not required. He can be straight in a femShep playthrough and bi in a maleShep playthrough.

Unless he explicitly states to femShep he's bi, it's purely up to the player to decided whether he's bi or straight in their version of the game. The constant mistake that people are making here is that preference has to be solidly set in place for the characters.

This is making the same error as Jeweled is making - that every Kaidan is the same Kaidan.

C

Modifié par Athro, 13 février 2011 - 08:02 .

[Athro]

jeweledleah wrote...

your counterpoints are based on your personal interpretations of the characters. I haven't ignored or avoided them, I've addressed them multiple times.

no matter. either bioware will stick to original story for once, or we'll get another ret-conned Talimance. Shepard is not enough of a http://tvtropes.org/...n/MemeticSexGod yet, apparently.

That isn't addressing them, that's avoiding my points. TVTropes is also completely irrelevant to this as well.

You argue personal interpretations and then try to dismiss my points as personal interpretations - which is silly, because my argument is that Kaidan can be both bi and straight depending on the playthrough. You're the one who is trying to argue that the character must only have a single set preference that carries over all versions of the game despite the game having shown that this is not the case at all.

C

[Praetor Knight]

Ryzaki wrote...

Praetor Shepard wrote...

What about Fem-Shep?

What about her? I could say the same thing for Tali not revealing (or even seeming) like she had a crush on Male Shep in ME1. 

Well, ShepLoo gets Kaidan, so if the logic I'm reading is followed, so then Ash and FemShep?

I assume Asari follow different rules though. 



And Tali? I agree, that she did not express any interest in either gender Shep in ME, and although, in ME2, I felt that particular romance felt the most genuine, how does she relate to FemShep for this topic?