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[Cootie]

I'll cross my fingers, at least.

[sw33ts]

Good to see this is still going on...and seemingly with *whispers* no trolls.



I'll have to remember to update the first post with page 172 suggestion...this post is just for that...



Sorry, I haven't been keeping up with this, but thanks to you who have.

[catabuca]

This thread is always open in a tab, gets refreshed every so often XD

I think many of us are busy over in the DA2 forums at the moment, trying to win people round to the idea that all the LIs are bi ...

The FftL group still has some active discussions ... I think some stay there too, rather than venturing here that often.

But we're still here

[catabuca]

ElitePinecone wrote...

I've been hearing some rumours floating around the interewbs (for example, this image: that seems to suggest the new ME2 DLC will be called 'Arrival'.

From the (admittedly very brief) description given in that image, it doesn't appear this DLC will feature a reunion with the Virmire Survivor. I could be very mistaken, of course, and this mission could be very Alliance-focused.

In any event, we may (I stress, may) need to wait until ME3 for a conclusion to the Kaidan/Ashley arcs. Does this have implications for how romances will be treated in the third game? Possibly. It may even be that there will be no opportunities for new romances at all.

I think some people are actually now hoping Arrival isn't about the VS, simply because one of the achievements is called Ultimate Sacrifce, and people, well people are scared.

Since we know the VS is supposed to have an important role in ME3 (although I'm sure our definition of important and that of the devs varies wildly), I've always thought they might leave their next installment until the main game. That said, there are certainly ways they could play a part in DLC (especially since it appears to have something to do with Arcturus, where the Alliance is stationed).

As for the future of ME3 romances, I really have no idea at this point. The fact that we could potentially have a plethora of different romance characters still alive and well to import into ME3 makes a whole new raft of them unlikely. But there are also people for whom the only LIs alive could be Liara and the VS. In which case, unless they limit themselves back down to just 2 options (which I can't see them doing) they are going to have to introduce perhaps 1 or 2 new LIs. I'd love it if a Shep who didn't romance Ash/Kai/Liara in 1 are able to do so in 3 (and that includes same-gendered Shep, of course ). I really have no idea how they'll deal with this though. I'm slightly worried that none of the previous squad from either 1 or 2 will be recruitable because of their possible deadness (and Liara on the SB base), what with that situation being rather unweildy to manage in the game with so many import combinations. I can envisage them being non-recruitable NPCs, important ones, but non-recruitable nonetheless. And then a handful of new recruitables being introduced, with some of them being new LIs. I don't think there will be as many as in ME2 though.

That's just me fretting though. It's the option I'd probably least like to see, because I like having my Kaidan by my side. But we'll just have to wait and see I guess.

[BestEffect]

Make love and Mass Effect, not war.

[Kamikazi117]

Romances are way too easy to fall into. For instance, I just talked to Jack to find out more about her and I was nice, but before I knew it I was suddenly talking about "us". If I'm talking to a dude and I'm just being nice I don't want it to get all ****** on me. If you could romance everyone it would mean you could get into the pants of every woman on the Normandy and all the dudes would be gay. wtf.

[ElitePinecone]

Kamikazi117 wrote...

Romances are way too easy to fall into. For instance, I just talked to Jack to find out more about her and I was nice, but before I knew it I was suddenly talking about "us". If I'm talking to a dude and I'm just being nice I don't want it to get all ****** on me. If you could romance everyone it would mean you could get into the pants of every woman on the Normandy and all the dudes would be gay. wtf.

For one thing, making romance dialogue less 'easy to fall into' is one of the things we've been suggesting. The original post of this thread has some ideas.

Secondly, I don't think anyone is realistically expecting Bioware to make *all* characters open to romance of either gender (and don't forget, Shepard isn't male...). At the very best, in previous games, they've had one character of each gender open to both male and female romances (for example, Zevran/Leliana, or Sky and another character in JE whose name escapes me). 

Thirdly, capacity to do something doesn't  define a character. If you never romanced a squadmate as a male (or a female, for that matter), you'd never know the option was there. 

[sw33ts]

catabuca wrote...

This thread is always open in a tab, gets refreshed every so often XD
I think many of us are busy over in the DA2 forums at the moment, trying to win people round to the idea that all the LIs are bi ...
The FftL group still has some active discussions ... I think some stay there too, rather than venturing here that often.
But we're still here

They're all bi?  what? huh?!??!?! That's fantabulous.

[ElitePinecone]

sw33ts wrote...

catabuca wrote...

This thread is always open in a tab, gets refreshed every so often XD
I think many of us are busy over in the DA2 forums at the moment, trying to win people round to the idea that all the LIs are bi ...
The FftL group still has some active discussions ... I think some stay there too, rather than venturing here that often.
But we're still here

They're all bi?  what? huh?!??!?! That's fantabulous.

I hadn't heard this? Awesome. 

[Commander Waha]

ElitePineCone wrote...

 Shepard isn't male

I hope this is only a reference to the fact that shep can be male or female, and not some more crazy BS the bioware forums seem to be able to whip up. 

Modifié par Commander Waha, 26 février 2011 - 07:48 .

[ElitePinecone]

Commander Waha wrote...

ElitePineCone wrote...

 Shepard isn't male

I hope this is only a reference to the fact that shep can be male or female, and not some more crazy BS the bioware forums seem to be able to whip up. 

That is what I meant - sorry if it wasn't clear.

Shep can be male or female; unfortunately it's too often assumed that only male Shepard's story matters, or is canonical or interesting, especially when it comes to romances. Players who would have no objection to female Shepard having a same-gendered romance sometimes take umbrage at the same possibility for male Shep. For all intents and purposes, Shepard is a blank canvas and this shouldn't be understated. 

[Commander Waha]

ElitePinecone wrote...

Commander Waha wrote...

ElitePineCone wrote...

 Shepard isn't male

I hope this is only a reference to the fact that shep can be male or female, and not some more crazy BS the bioware forums seem to be able to whip up. 

That is what I meant - sorry if it wasn't clear.

Shep can be male or female; unfortunately it's too often assumed that only male Shepard's story matters, or is canonical or interesting, especially when it comes to romances. Players who would have no objection to female Shepard having a same-gendered romance sometimes take umbrage at the same possibility for male Shep. For all intents and purposes, Shepard is a blank canvas and this shouldn't be understated. 

We live in an arguably heterosexual society. The predominant view of the vast majority of the population will be heterosexual. I'm sure I don't need to explain why hetero males find girl/girl relationships alright, whereas male/male ones aren't "cool". 

The only problem I have with this whole fight for the love thing is as follows. 

If you make every (or near every) character bisexual, you're basically saying one of two things. Either every person from every species you pick up is seriously bisexual (the odds would be astronomical), or shepard is so attractive that people will change their sexualities for him/her. 

So on one hand you can change every character just so a minority of the population can stick their virtual naughty bits wherever they want, or on the other hand you can just leave it as is, and introduce one bisexual squaddie for each gender (a la DA:O which I thought was a perfect integration of this idea). 

Making every character bisexual would be a lot like making every character black. It wouldn't make a damn bit of sense unless Shepard lands the normandy in Detroit or D.C. or Mogadishu. 

If shep has to recruit from San Francisco, I will gladly accept that his/her entire crew is bi. 

[ElitePinecone]

Commander Waha wrote...
snip

I agree with you entirely that it would be unrealistic if every squadmember that Shepard ran into happened to be bisexual. That being said, 2186 is not 2011, the Alliance of 2186 is not the humanity of 2011, we know next to nothing about alien gender roles or psychology, and there is a significant element of 'personal attraction to Shepard' involved in some of the romance arcs. Just food for thought. 

For whatever reasons the DA2 development team have (apparently) made every romancable party member bisexual - I don't know their reasoning, and it is surprising, but certainly welcome.

So yes, I would find it implausible if, hypothetically, all the ME3 squadmates (assuming there are new characters) happened to be bisexual. That being said, at this rate I'd find it staggering - and, of course, welcome - if any were at all. 

[Commander Waha]

ElitePinecone wrote...

Commander Waha wrote...
snip

 we know next to nothing about alien gender roles  

Salarians don't have reproductive urges as humans do. 

There is a possibility for gay turians, but if they exist they would likely be rarer than human ones, due to the aggressive nature of turians. 

Asari are monogendered, thus cannot be considered gay or lesbian. 

Krogan are similar to turians, so their sexuality is likely similar. 

Drell are an unknown. They seem highly in tune with their emotions, so homosexuality is possibly more common. 

Hanar are an unknown. 

Volus are too round to be homosexual. 

Elcor are an unknown. 

Yahg...I wouldn't put my penis near a yahg mouth, would you? I know that's entirely secondary to sexuality, but you could put a yahg mouth on an asari and no one would touch her. 

Just felt like typing all this out I guess.

[catabuca]

ElitePinecone wrote...

sw33ts wrote...

catabuca wrote...

This thread is always open in a tab, gets refreshed every so often XD
I think many of us are busy over in the DA2 forums at the moment, trying to win people round to the idea that all the LIs are bi ...
The FftL group still has some active discussions ... I think some stay there too, rather than venturing here that often.
But we're still here

They're all bi?  what? huh?!??!?! That's fantabulous.

I hadn't heard this? Awesome. 

Well, they're not. Well, actually we don't know if they are. It's kind of a running joke in the main Romance and m/m threads over there. In the face of no confirmation one way or the other about who the m/m LI is, we've taken to proclaiming loudly and proudly that they must all, therefore, be bi It started as wishful thinking, transformed into a way to get the devs to confirm one way or the other, and now has simply become a bit of a meme.

There is suggestion from the demo game files that Anders is the m/m option, but it is far from conclusive evidence, and doesn't prove one way or the other that Fenris is either definitely straight or also bi. So we fly the flag for bi-ness and keep on truckin' ...

[catabuca]

Commander Waha -- skip back a couple of pages and have a read of what DA2's lead writer David Gaider said on the subject of subjective sexuality and the possibility of all LIs being open to either gender. It becomes clear if you read it carefully that this wouldn't, in fact, necessarily be the case that in one particular playthrough of the game all LIs are bisexual. A couple could be, but the others could be written with subjective sexuality ... Regardless of whether you think this is a good or bad idea, I direct you to his posts simply as 'official' statements, if you like, that it isn't such a horrific and dreadful idea as many make out, and could be realistically written, from a narrative pov.

[Commander Waha]

catabuca wrote...

Commander Waha -- skip back a couple of pages and have a read of what DA2's lead writer David Gaider said on the subject of subjective sexuality and the possibility of all LIs being open to either gender. It becomes clear if you read it carefully that this wouldn't, in fact, necessarily be the case that in one particular playthrough of the game all LIs are bisexual. A couple could be, but the others could be written with subjective sexuality ... Regardless of whether you think this is a good or bad idea, I direct you to his posts simply as 'official' statements, if you like, that it isn't such a horrific and dreadful idea as many make out, and could be realistically written, from a narrative pov.

While I thank you for the redirect, I'm afraid I simply can't agree with "it could be realistically written". As I've mentioned before, bisexuality is not a hugely common thing. And even if you roll with the Kinsey scale of sexuality, not everyone is open to bisexuality enough to actually go through with it. 

Not to be brusque, but having gay thoughts and actually dropping your pants and bending over for a man are two hugely different things. I would be totally cool with one, or two (if the crew is as big as it was in ME2) bisexual characters, but to have the majority of the crew willing to bang shepard regardless of their own sexual orientation is just hilarious. 

[catabuca]

Waha – it's fine to think that way, I wasn't suggesting you shouldn't. I was providing a link to a game writer's opinion on the matter. And also, I think you've missed the part about subjective sexuality, but it's all there in Gaider's comments

[madman0311]

How about you die in a violent car crash?



ME2 shoved romance up your ass way too much already, and Dragon Age 2 is just ridiculous.



We already have enough marketing towards horny teens. It's already obvious ME3 is going to be terrible. At least don't suggest them to make it so terrible I won't be able to play through the last game in the trilogy.



Why did you join up with EA Bioware? Why?

[catabuca]

madman0311 wrote...

How about you die in a violent car crash?

ME2 shoved romance up your ass way too much already, and Dragon Age 2 is just ridiculous.

We already have enough marketing towards horny teens. It's already obvious ME3 is going to be terrible. At least don't suggest them to make it so terrible I won't be able to play through the last game in the trilogy.

Why did you join up with EA Bioware? Why?

Reported for violent language.

[catabuca]

Folks, we have 1046 members in our sister group, by the way.

*celebrates*

[Cootie]

catabuca wrote...

Folks, we have 1046 members in our sister group, by the way.
*celebrates*

Should we turn every tenth membership into a milestone? That gives us a reason to celebrate and bump this more often.
And who honestly dislikes cake, amirite?

That said, I don't see how throwing a homosexual romance at someone is any worse than throwing any heterosexual romance at someone. It's in the first post, people, we support the idea of more effort and realistic design being put into the romances overall.
Realism, meaning that it's far off in the future, and any homosexual statistics you drag into this thread(except for the overall increase of open homosexuality through our timeline(source needed)) is more than likely outdated. Everyone's unified on colonies. Heck, Kaidan would've had, what, three or four different nationalities? In this future, we're all mostly unified.

How come homosexuality would somehow be stigmatised when nationality wouldn't?

[catabuca]

Cootie wrote...

Should we turn every tenth membership into a milestone? That gives us a reason to celebrate and bump this more often.
And who honestly dislikes cake, amirite?

The DA2 m/m thread has slices of bi-pie. So every tenth member we all get another slice

And yeah, I agree with you. We want well-written, deep, meaningful romances, straight and bisexual, and basically just the chance for everyone to feel a little love. What's wrong with that? <3

[Cootie]

Pre-determined Shepard obviously hates bi-pie and celebrations and fun things, apparently.

Monosexuality is so the 21st century.

[catabuca]

I'd really love to know what game pre-determined Shepard is in, 'cause he sure as hell ain't in mine.