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[ElitePinecone]

I can sympathise with concerns over romances becoming *too* widespread and uniform, but (keeping in mind I've yet to play DA2, because of stupid international shipping) it seems they were fairly well handled in terms of establishing an emotional impact. Also, it's probably unfair to compare the (extraordinarily truncated) development time of DA2 with the resources, time and effort invested in ME3.

Some players (myself included) have lauded the Liara reunion in LotSB as one of the most emotionally powerful moments in the series so far, the gender of Shepard notwithstanding. A femShep/Liara romance is as believable in this context as a male/Shep one, because it's so well-written that the gender really doesn't matter. That's the standard of what Bioware can do with romances, and in my opinion one of similar quality in ME3, even with a bisexual love interest, would be as powerful.

As a side note: it doesn't seem like Arrival will feature the Virmire Survivor after all, but it will have Hackett. If an opportunity is present to re-establish ties with the Alliance, this could have repercussions for ME3.

[Elite Midget]

Seeing what DA2 I'm pretty sure Bioware sees that the Controversies have sharpely declined and thus they wont get blasted anymore for making more of the relationships that they want available.

[matteatspuppies]

octoberfire suggested:
Just like paragon and renegade is color-coded we're hoping that romance for ALL romances are color coded to pink or some other various color, and possibly change script so you know when you're about to accidentally/purposely start a romance.  This would be similar to those of you who've played Vampire: The Masquerade – Bloodlines.

Issues this would resolve:



Stop the accidentally started romances (like I did with Jacob)


Simple coding because all that would need to be done is change the colored font for romance, if it's just those who are already in the game, but unlocked.


For both same-sex and straight romances.
[/list]i know im late to the topic and have no real opinion either way as far as same sex shepard goes but i do like this suggestion. i just want to be paragon with my crew and friends, i dont want to lead them on.  like with jack, i want to help soften her and be a friend that shes never really had but i dont want to play with her feelings and knock her back when she finally starts to open up cause she misunderstood.

seperate, color coded romance options and regular just being nice ones would be great.

[Tarek]

yah Mr. Krogan I was sad when I had to say to Jack go fish, although I just wanted to hug her and say to her that everything was gonna be alright

[ElitePinecone]

Improving romances and 'friendships' in general is a great idea. It was a little disappointing that in ME2 characters simply stopped speaking to you if you declined the option of a romance. DA:O had some good moments with characters that reaffirmed your friendship even after choosing somebody else.

Partly this might've been a result of a lack of resources; with 12 squadmates instead of 6 in ME, the available time and money for in-depth dialogue trees may have been limited. I found this was especially bad with Garrus, and less pronounced with Samara or Thane (who had four or five 'conversations' each).

I'm not sure if I'm alone here, but for me quality (well-rounded, deep characters) are always preferable to quantity (many squadmates); that being said I was impressed with just about all of the squadmates in ME2 and the quality of their writing.

[Pwener2313]

I love it how this thread pops up every few weeks.... yet ME will never have a m/m romance.

[Fat Headed Wolf]

Pwener2313 wrote...

I love it how this thread pops up every few weeks.... yet ME will never have a m/m romance.

Pwener.... Coming in to a thread simply to crush everyone's hopes. 

LET THE HATE FUEL YOU......

Modifié par Fat Headed Wolf, 19 mars 2011 - 06:27 .

[Pwener2313]

Fat Headed Wolf wrote...

Pwener2313 wrote...

I love it how this thread pops up every few weeks.... yet ME will never have a m/m romance.

Pwener.... Coming in to a thread simply to crush everyone's hopes. 

LET THE HATE FUEL YOU......

[Praetor Knight]

Go Vader; took you long enough <_<:

[Tarek]

Pwener2313 wrote...

I love it how this thread pops up every few weeks.... yet ME will never have a m/m romance.

NEVAAAAAAA  *Optimis prime when he hits Megatron in the cartoon movie after Megatron thinks he won the battle*

and this shall bumpth for love

[Tarek]

Pwener2313 wrote...

Fat Headed Wolf wrote...

Pwener2313 wrote...

I love it how this thread pops up every few weeks.... yet ME will never have a m/m romance.

Pwener.... Coming in to a thread simply to crush everyone's hopes. 

LET THE HATE FUEL YOU......

LOL

and bump

[Olwydd]

I support heterosexual and homosexual romance options for both sexes. It worked in JE, DA:O, and DA2, and there wasn't a serious backlash, the world did not end, and BioWare did not see the tiniest dent in its profits for it. There's really no reason not to include the option, given that many of the recorded lines would be identical, and it would make a large number of people very happy.

My femshep romanced (the very female) Liara in ME1, and I was rather miffed I had to wait (and pay for) the chance to continue the only available lesbian romance with LotSB. I can't imagine the frustration of many gay male players who didn't even have that opportunity.

Modifié par Olwydd, 20 mars 2011 - 04:03 .

[Tarek]

Olwydd wrote...

I support heterosexual and homosexual romance options for both sexes. It worked in JE, DA:O, and DA2, and there wasn't a serious backlash, the world did not end, and BioWare did not see the tiniest dent in its profits for it. There's really no reason not to include the option, given that many of the recorded lines would be identical, and it would make a large number of people very happy.

My femshep romanced (the very female) Liara in ME1, and I was rather miffed I had to wait (and pay for) the chance to continue the only available lesbian romance with LotSB. I can't imagine the frustration of many gay male players who didn't even have that opportunity.

indeed
What really helps protect Bioware from the crazy people out there is the fact that its a game, that is 18+ which you have to buy, install, read the user agreement accept it, make a charcater play for hours on end then CHOOSE to romance if you want


its not like a 5 year old STUMBLES upon it by accident and suddenly the world is destroyed and zombies invade from outer space.

there is NO reason what so ever NO REASON why m/m and f/f should not be an OPTION < see the capped words

[Olwydd]

Honestly, that people get upset over the option for f/f or m/m romance but take no issue with the fact that you can walk around shooting people, is, quite frankly, astounding and rather terrifying. Especially given that you can choose to ignore any and all romance (because the content is optional) while there is no way around violence. Surely one of these things is worse than the other, no?

[Tarek]

Olwydd wrote...

Honestly, that people get upset over the option for f/f or m/m romance but take no issue with the fact that you can walk around shooting people, is, quite frankly, astounding and rather terrifying. Especially given that you can choose to ignore any and all romance (because the content is optional) while there is no way around violence. Surely one of these things is worse than the other, no?

lol exactly.

not to mention that Shepard came back from the DEAD, he was dead and they ressercted him christ style

and no body found that wierd

but when too guys make out everyone screams in horror.

people are wired

[earthbornFemShep]

I really liked the way DA2 handled the romances. I thought having the bisexual characters was a nice compromise. I would have preferred having a characters with more rigid sexualities, but if they included a strictly gay character, I'm guessing there would have been complaints that a heterosexual Hawke was being denied an LI for the sake of the gays. However, their bisexuality was pretty convincing for me. It seemed to fit their characters really well (especially Isabela and Fenris).

I'm hoping this will be enough to encourage the Mass Effect team to do the same. I'm going to bet that there will be a M/M option (at least an NPC) for Shepard in ME3. When looking at the LotSB DLC, a broker video revealed a hinted m/m relationship between a turian (Gavorn) and a unnamed human.

This has left me hopeful.

[blazin130791]

I'd rather see them spending time making DLC that consists of something that everyone will use and enjoy.

After all Bioware is a businees and isn't going to make a DLC that only a minority of people are going to buy. And there is no chance they would make something like this for free.

[Tarek]

blazin130791 wrote...

I'd rather see them spending time making DLC that consists of something that everyone will use and enjoy.

After all Bioware is a businees and isn't going to make a DLC that only a minority of people are going to buy. And there is no chance they would make something like this for free.

??

so if they make a gay/bi male squad mate no one will use him but bi/gay people!!

nope everyone will use him and at the very least enjoy his story, missions, and abilities, becuase u don't have to romance him if you don't want to, not everyone romanced Jack but still the ME team "bothered" themselves and included the option, not everyone will use the flame thrower, but again the ME team "wastes" time and make it, DLC is meant to be an optional add on that not all the gamers of ME would enjoy, some people just don't like DLC even.

so no and as the Krogan shaman said your protest rings hollow sorry

lets hope ALL options are in ME3 by default, and now adays the world has bigger fish to fry than worry about Homofobes and religous zealots (japan, Lybia...etc) freaking out becuase of a 18+ game that has two pixel guys making out

[earthbornFemShep]

Tarek, you have some good points in your post. However, calling other cultures 'zealots' and 'homophobes' won't help. Your support is appreciated, but please don't attack other countries and their cultures.

Blazin, most of us realize that DLC is off the table. What we're hoping for now is options to implement it in ME3. If you have some constructive solutions, feel free to post them.

[Deejtage]

I just finished reading Mass Effect: Ascension, and I'm not sure if this has been discussed before, but is it possible that Hendel Mitra could possibly join the party, especially considering your choices that dealt with the quarians? I think that'd be awesome, myself, but I'm sort of new here (coming back after a long break) so I'm not sure if it's been discussed before.

[Tarek]

earthbornFemShep wrote...

Tarek, you have some good points in your post. However, calling other cultures 'zealots' and 'homophobes' won't help. Your support is appreciated, but please don't attack other countries and their cultures.

Blazin, most of us realize that DLC is off the table. What we're hoping for now is options to implement it in ME3. If you have some constructive solutions, feel free to post them.

sorry did not mean to call cultures that I meant only some people which is normal and which I also respect since every person is entitled to his opinon as long as he does not force it on others.

so sorry if anyone got offened

[JustinTR]

So i dont really get it. I see a lot of posts that support the homosexual romances and at the same time saying things like 'hetero romance can kiss mah butt'? So I can be acceptive of your lifestyle but you can criticize mine? There is a reason for the way the romances are in the game. If bioware saw fit to give shepard the option of romancing another male character, they would. It doesnt mean they are anti-gay. Obviously, since they do have same sex romances for female shepard. If I went and said something like 'This needs to be 'straightened' up' about something homosexual, I would be called homophobic or biased. So Ill apologize in advance for saying my favorite game ever created doesnt need to be 'gayed' up just because some people see it fit.

EDIT: before im called a homophobe or anti gay, I am NEITHER of these.

Modifié par JustinTR, 21 mars 2011 - 01:07 .

[SpEcIaLRyAn21]

I understand people wanting same-sex relation-ships in games. However I believe Bioware commented on this aspect for Mass Effect by saying that Shepard's character is a little more pre-set. He already has a history and a past. Whereas the Warden in DA was more defined by the player as he really didn't have much a story to him until you start the game. However I do believe its becoming more prominent in games. In Bioware games at least.

[MisterDyslexo]

JustinTR wrote...

So i dont really get it. I see a lot of posts that support the homosexual romances and at the same time saying things like 'hetero romance can kiss mah butt'? So I can be acceptive of your lifestyle but you can criticize mine?

Anybody saying that is just as disrespectful as anybody
saying "****** romances can kiss mah butt". Some people. gay or straight,
just don't care much for others and how their wishes affect others. The majority of people here just want equality, not superiority. Nobody's asking for any special treatment.

There is a reason for the way the romances are in the game. If bioware saw fit to give shepard the option of romancing another male character, they would. It doesnt mean they are anti-gay. Obviously, since they do have same sex romances for female shepard.

No, let me tell you what that comes off as. It says that relationships between two women are okay, but not two men. It sponsers the "two chicks r hawtt!!!" idea. It says there's something wrong about two men together. Now, I surely don't believe that anybody at Bioware who worked on romances intended this, but that is how it is seen by others, by the gamers and media. And quite frankly intentions aren't what people remember, the actions are. I'll go ahead and directly cite something from within the Mass Effect universe to reinforce intent vs action. When Tali talks about being exiled, she brings up the last person who was charged. The quarian gave information to the batarians, out of the kindness of her heart, hoping that it would help them. Instead it got people killed. I remember her being on trial for treason, not getting a medal for "Person of the Week" tacked to her helmet.

If I went and said something like 'This needs to be 'straightened' up' about something homosexual, I would be called homophobic or biased. So Ill apologize in advance for saying my favorite game ever created doesnt need to be 'gayed' up just because some people see it fit.

EDIT: before im called a homophobe or anti gay, I am NEITHER of these.

If the game doesn't need to be gayed up for then, then good for you. Then you won't mind if its in there for others then, right? Because it bothers others that it isn't in there. The game may be fine for you, but others see plain discrimination in it. And to add this in would to many show that Bioware actually cares, or doesn't, in regards as to sexual orientation determines a person's morality. And quite frankly, a character, lets say Big Ben (assuming he shows up) showing up in Mass Effect 3 as a m/m romance shouldn't affect you, if Mass Effect is already fine the way it is. The game is as good  to you as you play it to be.

SpEcIaLRyAn21 wrote...

I understand people wanting
same-sex relation-ships in games. However I believe Bioware commented on
this aspect for Mass Effect by saying that Shepard's character is a
little more pre-set. He already has a history and a past. Whereas the
Warden in DA was more defined by the player as he really didn't have
much a story to him until you start the game. However I do believe its
becoming more prominent in games. In Bioware games at least.

Go ahead and play Dragon Age 2 and see just how "pre-defined" Hawke's sexuality is, especially considering the fact that more is set in stone about him than Shepard. I haven't played DA:2 yet, but from my understanding, there are differences in pre-definition, and what you get to choose.

Things you can choose-Mass Effect:
-Gender
-Race
-Childhood (from three option)
-Service History (enlistment to current day)
-Military Training (Soldier, Adept, etc)
-Behavior (paragon, renegade, calm, angry, etc)
-Religious views (Atheist vs Theist, no religion, whether mono or polytheistic, is stated as to having a belief)
-Treatment of others (Sexism, Xenophobia)

Things you can choose in DA:2
-Gender
-Combat Training (Mage, Warrior, Rogue)
-Religious views
-Sexuality
-Behavior
-Religious Views
-Treatment of others (Sexism, Racism)

In Mass Effect 2, you get to choose your Shep's lifetime all the way up to "[Joker] I hate that guy", whereas in Dragon Age 2, you do not whatsoever. Your entire lifetime is always pre-determined. And yet somehow, you still have free reign over Hawke's sexuality. Pre-definiton shouldn't affect sexual orientation.


To be clear, I am not attacking either of you in any way. I'm just trying to explain our side as clearly as possible, and trying to agrue your points about it, whether neutral or against. That's what this thread is about, has always been about (look at the original post), and is what people are still trying to explain.

Modifié par MisterDyslexo, 21 mars 2011 - 03:55 .

[Scott Sion]

I'm straight but i'll support this thread anyways I guess.