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MisterDyslexo wrote...

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Myself, I'd prefer it if there were no same sex romances (the exception being the Asari, since they have been defined as "genderless").
That being said, it doesn't really bother me if there is a same-sex romance in the game. As long as I don't try for a paragon reply and wind up having Grunt coming on to me... Posted Image Posted Image Posted Image


Sometimes while I'm on here, I can't help but feel daft.

Why is it that same sex li's bother people so much. Isn't everyone aware it isn't mandatory in order to complete the game?


What?! Next you'll be telling us we don't need to go through boot camp to play Call of Duty, we don't need to go to photography school to play Pokemon Snap, and you don't need a background  in electronics and plumbing to play Mario.


huh ?? :blink:

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Maybe using a DragonAge 2 mechanic of having a heart symbol as a "romantic" conversation option would be dooable. That way you could choose to come on to someone or not and be 100% sure that ONLY IF you choose "romance dialogs" would you start going down a romance path.

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As for same sex romance options it's OK with me but I don't want to make all the LIs bi. In ME2 I could see Kelly going either way and would be a good choice. I might be able to buy Tali going either way. [FYI Tali is my preferred LI but I'm OK if she only likes male shep]. Liara is another obvious BI choice. Characters like Ash or Miranda seem to have a clearly straight history or may have religious beliefs that would get in the way of same-sex relations. Introducing new characters that are strictly gay or bi would be fine with me if B/W wants to do that.

Summary: I don't mind introducing new characters or opening up characters who already seem liberated / bi so they can have same sex romances. On the other hand I'm against making characters that seem to have been defined as "straight" into "BI" for a multitude of reasons. [Mostly because I don't figure being gay/bi/etc. is a choice ... you either are or aren't ... YMMV :) ]

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Alamar2078 wrote...

Maybe using a DragonAge 2 mechanic of having a heart symbol as a "romantic" conversation option would be dooable. That way you could choose to come on to someone or not and be 100% sure that ONLY IF you choose "romance dialogs" would you start going down a romance path.


indeed I want this to all romanc options, cause I don't want to blow off anyone and ruin a friendship (role playing wise that is)

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If DA2 has taught us anything it's that same sex romances in a Bioware game are a terrible idea. Trying to appease less than 2% of the total population of potential gamers at the risk of alienating the other 98% is hurtful of the overall game.

I don't mind having a gay character in the mix - but making every character gay was unrealistic and made for strange moments with companions that should have made the game fun and interesting but instead just made it awkward. I really hope the devs of ME3 will take into consideration the massive failure that DA2 was on multiple fronts, including the relationship system.

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Repressed sexuality is f*cking hilarious. If people are going to get so upset from seeing the digital equivalent of two ken dolls rubbing faces, you should really stay in and rub one out. I'm assuming that option would be more readily available for people unable to handle the earth shattering truth of people being different.

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android654 wrote...

Repressed sexuality is f*cking hilarious. If people are going to get so upset from seeing the digital equivalent of two ken dolls rubbing faces, you should really stay in and rub one out. I'm assuming that option would be more readily available for people unable to handle the earth shattering truth of people being different.


i just thought of a fun scene in 3 if you havent had a LI for each game. shepards in his room listening to mood music alone, he looks at his hand longingly then it fades to the black screen of love.

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Valcutio wrote...

If DA2 has taught us anything it's that same sex romances in a Bioware game are a terrible idea. Trying to appease less than 2% of the total population of potential gamers at the risk of alienating the other 98% is hurtful of the overall game.

I don't mind having a gay character in the mix - but making every character gay was unrealistic and made for strange moments with companions that should have made the game fun and interesting but instead just made it awkward. I really hope the devs of ME3 will take into consideration the massive failure that DA2 was on multiple fronts, including the relationship system.


You're missing the point where Asari characters already come on to everyone, even female Shepards. Oh right gay romance is only offensive and icky to you when it's two guys.
Dude, if people different to yourself being included in the target audience with material you never have to see makes you feel alienated then you need to GET. OVER. YOURSELF.
"Oh no, people different from me have options in this game! I feel so uncomfortable that this game wasn't made soley for meeeeeeee."
The romancable characters merely express interest, which you can turn down. If romancing a same sex character were mandatory to finish the game, or it focused in on a male characters crotch/butt during a conversation about dragons, you might have a right to feel alienated.

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ReiSilver wrote...

Valcutio wrote...

If DA2 has taught us anything it's that same sex romances in a Bioware game are a terrible idea. Trying to appease less than 2% of the total population of potential gamers at the risk of alienating the other 98% is hurtful of the overall game.

I don't mind having a gay character in the mix - but making every character gay was unrealistic and made for strange moments with companions that should have made the game fun and interesting but instead just made it awkward. I really hope the devs of ME3 will take into consideration the massive failure that DA2 was on multiple fronts, including the relationship system.


You're missing the point where Asari characters already come on to everyone, even female Shepards. Oh right gay romance is only offensive and icky to you when it's two guys.
Dude, if people different to yourself being included in the target audience with material you never have to see makes you feel alienated then you need to GET. OVER. YOURSELF.
"Oh no, people different from me have options in this game! I feel so uncomfortable that this game wasn't made soley for meeeeeeee."
The romancable characters merely express interest, which you can turn down. If romancing a same sex character were mandatory to finish the game, or it focused in on a male characters crotch/butt during a conversation about dragons, you might have a right to feel alienated.


Not talking about Asari. They are a different matter completely.

There are a lot of different people out there - games can't cater to everyone. I'm sure there are people who would prefer all the character to be Muslim or Christian but you don't see that happening, right?

Diversity is a wonderful thing - but when something like homosexuality is forced on the masses by making EVERY character in a game bisexual then it stops being diversity and starts being ridiculous. Like I said, I wouldn't mind having a gay character (which would be entirely possible) - but having all gay characters? No.

And the heart wheel thing from DA2 was terrible - everytime I talked to one of my male buddies I had to cycle through the options and having to read options like "nice body" or something else like that is just... well, gross. Kinda hard to take a character seriously when you're half an inch from clicking an option that ends in bed.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion but I'm sure I'm far from alone in the 98% that feels this way. If Bioware is serious about expanding their market - they should listen. I know Glee is pretty successful but it isn't because of the gay characters, it's because of the great music and entertaining plots.

Just my 2 cents.

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ReiSilver wrote...

Valcutio wrote...

If DA2 has taught us anything it's that same sex romances in a Bioware game are a terrible idea. Trying to appease less than 2% of the total population of potential gamers at the risk of alienating the other 98% is hurtful of the overall game.

I don't mind having a gay character in the mix - but making every character gay was unrealistic and made for strange moments with companions that should have made the game fun and interesting but instead just made it awkward. I really hope the devs of ME3 will take into consideration the massive failure that DA2 was on multiple fronts, including the relationship system.


You're missing the point where Asari characters already come on to everyone, even female Shepards. Oh right gay romance is only offensive and icky to you when it's two guys.
Dude, if people different to yourself being included in the target audience with material you never have to see makes you feel alienated then you need to GET. OVER. YOURSELF.
"Oh no, people different from me have options in this game! I feel so uncomfortable that this game wasn't made soley for meeeeeeee."
The romancable characters merely express interest, which you can turn down. If romancing a same sex character were mandatory to finish the game, or it focused in on a male characters crotch/butt during a conversation about dragons, you might have a right to feel alienated.



haha indeed, and 2% LOL make that 20%, as long as its optional (like real life) then no argument against it can be made.
so shepard is gay and he saves the universe "OH noz we are saved by a gay <_<"

well news flash a lot of Bi/gay people are doctors/police/engineers...etc and I'm sure they save lives every day.

and BTW all Spartan males were bi/gay just throwing it here, since everyone thinks 300 was so macho ;) (histoy channel :wizard:)

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Valcutio wrote...

ReiSilver wrote...

Valcutio wrote...

If DA2 has taught us anything it's that same sex romances in a Bioware game are a terrible idea. Trying to appease less than 2% of the total population of potential gamers at the risk of alienating the other 98% is hurtful of the overall game.

I don't mind having a gay character in the mix - but making every character gay was unrealistic and made for strange moments with companions that should have made the game fun and interesting but instead just made it awkward. I really hope the devs of ME3 will take into consideration the massive failure that DA2 was on multiple fronts, including the relationship system.


You're missing the point where Asari characters already come on to everyone, even female Shepards. Oh right gay romance is only offensive and icky to you when it's two guys.
Dude, if people different to yourself being included in the target audience with material you never have to see makes you feel alienated then you need to GET. OVER. YOURSELF.
"Oh no, people different from me have options in this game! I feel so uncomfortable that this game wasn't made soley for meeeeeeee."
The romancable characters merely express interest, which you can turn down. If romancing a same sex character were mandatory to finish the game, or it focused in on a male characters crotch/butt during a conversation about dragons, you might have a right to feel alienated.


Not talking about Asari. They are a different matter completely.

There are a lot of different people out there - games can't cater to everyone. I'm sure there are people who would prefer all the character to be Muslim or Christian but you don't see that happening, right?

Diversity is a wonderful thing - but when something like homosexuality is forced on the masses by making EVERY character in a game bisexual then it stops being diversity and starts being ridiculous. Like I said, I wouldn't mind having a gay character (which would be entirely possible) - but having all gay characters? No.

And the heart wheel thing from DA2 was terrible - everytime I talked to one of my male buddies I had to cycle through the options and having to read options like "nice body" or something else like that is just... well, gross. Kinda hard to take a character seriously when you're half an inch from clicking an option that ends in bed.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion but I'm sure I'm far from alone in the 98% that feels this way. If Bioware is serious about expanding their market - they should listen. I know Glee is pretty successful but it isn't because of the gay characters, it's because of the great music and entertaining plots.

Just my 2 cents.


lol "nice body" freaks you out, lulz I just find it funny I don't mean to be rude or anything :P

and since they are "BI" then Bioware already gave you an option, which you can ignore or use, so you are hardly forced into it, if you clicked the wrong option then its ur fault not Bioware's or the game's, its like saying I was not paying attention and I pressed the car horn instead of the wind shield wiper thingy.

and good looking males and females are beautiful nothing gross about that (well I'm an artist so I'm used to seeing naked people =])

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Valcutio wrote...

And the heart wheel thing from DA2 was terrible - everytime I talked to one of my male buddies I had to cycle through the options and having to read options like "nice body" or something else like that is just... well, gross. Kinda hard to take a character seriously when you're half an inch from clicking an option that ends in bed.


That's not shoving it down your throat dude. That's like saying Renegade options are shoved down everyone's throat because they exist, even though you NEVER have to take them.
The Consort strokes you while asking for help, then ninja sexes you just for the dialogue "That's it?" regarding payment, no heart wheel warning at all. I find it hard to take Miranda seriously because I have to talk to her BUTT when I'm not even romancing her. If her butt took up half the screen during her optional romance I would have no complaints.
Bioware is one of the ONLY game companies willing to put homosexual romances in their game and you want them to be less inclusive because the very option, which you don't even have to take, gives you a momentary feeling of uncomfortableness?
"I don't like that other people are getting slices of my pie! It makes me feel icky!"

Edit - I also love your "games can't cater to everyone" argument, so games can't cater to everyone... so they should only cater to you, right, got it.

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Valcutio wrote...
Diversity is a wonderful thing - but when something like homosexuality is forced on the masses by making EVERY character in a game bisexual then it stops being diversity and starts being ridiculous. Like I said, I wouldn't mind having a gay character (which would be entirely possible) - but having all gay characters? No.

Its not forced upon you. Let me explain something.
PC=   Player controlled
NPC=Non-player controlled

NPCs, you don't have any direct control over their actions. Closest thing is giving them orders in combat or something like that. The PC however, the one you control, is controlled solely by you, and you alone. You get to make choices about things. Sometimes, you don't like either outcome, but you must pick. There are three possible outcomes when talkling with a Bioware romanceable character:

Outcome 1)  I like you romantically. Lets have sex.
Outcome 2) I don't find you sexually attractive. Lets be anything but lovers.
Outcome 3) Lets avoid anything on the topic of sexual relations. That way I'm not even involved enough to reject you.

And then, there's a fourth outcome, which comes from ignoring the NPC outright. But the point is, you have full control over your PC, whether Hawke in DA2, or Shepard in Mass Effect 3. Whatever happens with their penis is your fault. You say you have difficulties with the dialogue wheel:

And the heart wheel thing from DA2 was terrible - everytime I talked to one of my male buddies I had to cycle through the options and having to read options like "nice body" or something else like that is just... well, gross. Kinda hard to take a character seriously when you're half an inch from clicking an option that ends in bed.


So other people should miss-out because you can't steady your hand? First it was "Well the text is ambigious, I don't know for sure" so they incorporated the heart. If somebody can't figure out what the heart means (which is probably explained in the game manual, and probably in the tutorial as well) then said person is really ****ing stupid, and deserves whatever treatment they get. You're responsible for educating yourself on how to play. But you, the person I'm talking to one the forum, complain, because you have a shaky hand? That its so close? Really? Thats quite frankly a pathetic reason to deprive others of content.

Of course, we could fix this if we had the dialogue lines in DA:O combined with the symbols in DA:2, and then you'd have absolutely no reason to worry about accidently coming across a situation a competent player can avoid, correct?

Everyone is entitled to their opinion but I'm sure I'm far from alone in the 98% that feels this way.

1. Don't know where you're getting your percentages from.
2. Assuming that you think that only gay people will interact with it, you're dead wrong, plain and simple. Most players will go through all the possible courses-of-action possible. I've experienced almost every single possible outcome of major plot points in Dragon Age Origins. That included romancing all of the characters, ans even going without romancing one. Its all choice, and many people, gay or straight, will choose to involve themselves in whatever romances they can.


If Bioware is serious about expanding their market - they should listen. I know Glee is pretty successful but it isn't because of the gay characters, it's because of the great music and entertaining plots.

Just my 2 cents.


I don't think Bioware is trying to expand their market towards people who will go "Eww! Gay icky!" at their games. You know, people generally not legally old enough to buy the game, regardless of whether Bioware wants them as followers or not.

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I feel the need to step in and defend Valcutio. In his post he did declare that he was ok with having a gay character thrown into the mix, he simply said having every romance in DA2 open to both strained credulity. This is a fact I am afraid I have to agree with, although I don't happen to think that is the cardinal sin of DA2's romances.

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well I think Mr. MisterDyslexo makes a way more logical and acceptable argument, in fact I think he is flat out right and Mr. icky is out right wrong.

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Sahariel wrote...

I feel the need to step in and defend Valcutio. In his post he did declare that he was ok with having a gay character thrown into the mix, he simply said having every romance in DA2 open to both strained credulity. This is a fact I am afraid I have to agree with, although I don't happen to think that is the cardinal sin of DA2's romances.


Actualy Valcutio posted "but making every character gay was unrealistic " Which isn't even true of DA2
In DA2 there are 2 bisexual characters you can romance
There are 2 other characters you can romance who never state their sexuality. It could be interprited as straight, gay or bi depending on your Hawke and how you read them in each playthrough.
Then there are 2 hetrosexual party members who you cannot romance (Varrik and Aveline) and your siblings who you obviously can't romance though I'm not sure if their sexual prefference ever comes up.

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Wow, this thread is horrid.

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Sahariel wrote...

I feel the need to step in and defend Valcutio. In his post he did declare that he was ok with having a gay character thrown into the mix, he simply said having every romance in DA2 open to both strained credulity. This is a fact I am afraid I have to agree with, although I don't happen to think that is the cardinal sin of DA2's romances.

he also said that just reading dialogue was gross, which i find kind of funny. "its ok to have a gay character but reading the gay text is gross, i dont want it"

that being said, i dont have DA2 but is it really that bad? yeah having all the characters be bi would throw off the uniqueness of a character but if you dont select it does it matter? like do they all come on to you no matter what? 

for me, having a gay character in the game wont affect the way i play and if there is dialogue for same sex shep ill just skip it and pick something more appropriate. dont see why text you can skip should make you feel irked.

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DA2 has heart dialog that pretty much says "CLICKING THIS WILL BE FLIRTING AND GET YOU INTO A ROMANCE!"

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matteatspuppies wrote...

android654 wrote...

Repressed sexuality is f*cking hilarious. If people are going to get so upset from seeing the digital equivalent of two ken dolls rubbing faces, you should really stay in and rub one out. I'm assuming that option would be more readily available for people unable to handle the earth shattering truth of people being different.


i just thought of a fun scene in 3 if you havent had a LI for each game. shepards in his room listening to mood music alone, he looks at his hand longingly then it fades to the black screen of love.



They HAVE to put that in now... For the achievement. yeah, the achievement.

Valcutio wrote...

ReiSilver wrote...

Valcutio wrote...

If DA2 has taught us anything it's that same sex romances in a Bioware game are a terrible idea. Trying to appease less than 2% of the total population of potential gamers at the risk of alienating the other 98% is hurtful of the overall game.

I don't mind having a gay character in the mix - but making every character gay was unrealistic and made for strange moments with companions that should have made the game fun and interesting but instead just made it awkward. I really hope the devs of ME3 will take into consideration the massive failure that DA2 was on multiple fronts, including the relationship system.


You're missing the point where Asari characters already come on to everyone, even female Shepards. Oh right gay romance is only offensive and icky to you when it's two guys.
Dude, if people different to yourself being included in the target audience with material you never have to see makes you feel alienated then you need to GET. OVER. YOURSELF.
"Oh no, people different from me have options in this game! I feel so uncomfortable that this game wasn't made soley for meeeeeeee."
The romancable characters merely express interest, which you can turn down. If romancing a same sex character were mandatory to finish the game, or it focused in on a male characters crotch/butt during a conversation about dragons, you might have a right to feel alienated.


Not talking about Asari. They are a different matter completely.

There are a lot of different people out there - games can't cater to everyone. I'm sure there are people who would prefer all the character to be Muslim or Christian but you don't see that happening, right?

Diversity is a wonderful thing - but when something like homosexuality is forced on the masses by making EVERY character in a game bisexual then it stops being diversity and starts being ridiculous. Like I said, I wouldn't mind having a gay character (which would be entirely possible) - but having all gay characters? No.

And the heart wheel thing from DA2 was terrible - every time I talked to one of my male buddies I had to cycle through the options and having to read options like "nice body" or something else like that is just... well, gross. Kinda hard to take a character seriously when you're half an inch from clicking an option that ends in bed.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion but I'm sure I'm far from alone in the 98% that feels this way. If Bioware is serious about expanding their market - they should listen. I know Glee is pretty successful but it isn't because of the gay characters, it's because of the great music and entertaining plots.

Just my 2 cents.


What does glee have to do with anything? Is that show still on?

hmm... I'm an atheist, and I found no cause to feel uncomfortable by all of the heavy religious tones in the 1st Assassin's Creed game. It was rather prevalent in the people, the societies, and the story, yet I don't feel the need to write to ubisoft to demand that all themes are  at the very least agnostic friendly. I can handle things being different.

And 98%? That's a ballsy statistic, almost like you pulled it out of somewhere rather close...

Also, Asari aren't really special situation. They're mono gendered, and that gender is female. its in the codex of the game. You can't get more cannon than that. Also, if were being technical, in Mass Effect, and depending on who you choose in Dragon age, its not ******/hetero/biusexuality, its xenophilia. So no real gay Characters in Mass Effect except for Kelly.

@Tarek Many old world "warrior kings" such as Alexander The Great took many pleasures from young men. A fleeting affair with another male was simply good sport, although it became more amorous at times. Its funny, one of the most important conquerors in history was bisexual, yet western society probably wouldn't have been shaped the same way without him.

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matteatspuppies wrote...

Sahariel wrote...

I feel the need to step in and defend Valcutio. In his post he did declare that he was ok with having a gay character thrown into the mix, he simply said having every romance in DA2 open to both strained credulity. This is a fact I am afraid I have to agree with, although I don't happen to think that is the cardinal sin of DA2's romances.

he also said that just reading dialogue was gross, which i find kind of funny. "its ok to have a gay character but reading the gay text is gross, i dont want it"

that being said, i dont have DA2 but is it really that bad? yeah having all the characters be bi would throw off the uniqueness of a character but if you dont select it does it matter? like do they all come on to you no matter what? 

for me, having a gay character in the game wont affect the way i play and if there is dialogue for same sex shep ill just skip it and pick something more appropriate. dont see why text you can skip should make you feel irked.


No, unless you flirt with them, the dialogue includes pretty much benign conversation unless its prevalent ot the story. They don't really throw themselves at you unless you try first.

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android654 wrote...

matteatspuppies wrote...

Sahariel wrote...

I feel the need to step in and defend Valcutio. In his post he did declare that he was ok with having a gay character thrown into the mix, he simply said having every romance in DA2 open to both strained credulity. This is a fact I am afraid I have to agree with, although I don't happen to think that is the cardinal sin of DA2's romances.

he also said that just reading dialogue was gross, which i find kind of funny. "its ok to have a gay character but reading the gay text is gross, i dont want it"

that being said, i dont have DA2 but is it really that bad? yeah having all the characters be bi would throw off the uniqueness of a character but if you dont select it does it matter? like do they all come on to you no matter what? 

for me, having a gay character in the game wont affect the way i play and if there is dialogue for same sex shep ill just skip it and pick something more appropriate. dont see why text you can skip should make you feel irked.


No, unless you flirt with them, the dialogue includes pretty much benign conversation unless its prevalent ot the story. They don't really throw themselves at you unless you try first.

oh, in that case if the bologna pony isnt your type of ride just dont saddle up

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On principle I have no issues with this proposal, people are people regardless of sexual orientation. I would prefer the idea of setting your orientation on character creation for the simple fact that its a lot easier for people who do have issues with this to not even see the content. That way if anyone complains that x hit on my Shepard! Its easy to turn around and say well...duh...you clicked gay...

*Edit* I personally feel that there would be a few less issues introducing a new character that was bi/gay whatever than changing current characters.  There would hopefully be less issues amongst fans.  I've heard before people suggesting that Garrus for example may have had feelings for Male-Shep, but didn't have the courage to say anything about it, and yes, IF it was well written it could work, but I have my doubts.  Not against it per-say, I just think with some characters its a bit late in the game to introduce changes.  With some exceptional writing it could still work though.

Good luck.

(I hope that came across the way I intended).

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@Tarek Many old world "warrior kings" such as Alexander The Great took many pleasures from young men. A fleeting affair with another male was simply good sport, although it became more amorous at times. Its funny, one of the most important conquerors in history was bisexual, yet western society probably wouldn't have been shaped the same way without him.


so right :lol:

if I put a list of famous Bi/gay people who helped shape our modern world, some people's heads will implode :D

and yes ancient cultures were much more "open/relaxed/...etc" to m/m and f/f relations, it was not something to freak out about, and compared to our "modern" cultures they were somewhat more advanced (in culture not tech)

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Tarek wrote...

@Tarek Many old world "warrior kings" such as Alexander The Great took many pleasures from young men. A fleeting affair with another male was simply good sport, although it became more amorous at times. Its funny, one of the most important conquerors in history was bisexual, yet western society probably wouldn't have been shaped the same way without him.


so right :lol:

if I put a list of famous Bi/gay people who helped shape our modern world, some people's heads will implode :D

and yes ancient cultures were much more "open/relaxed/...etc" to m/m and f/f relations, it was not something to freak out about, and compared to our "modern" cultures they were somewhat more advanced (in culture not tech)


That would include Sophecles, Euripides, Socrates, Plato, Aristotle, in addition to the aforementioned Alexander the great were some important historical figures that have had relationships with men and gave timeless contributions to the world. Odd that no matter who they were screwing, they still impacted the world.

Although, to be fair, I think they weren't necessarily "more open" to same sex relations, they simply saw no harm in it since it wasn't considered serious. It was somethingthey took part in for fun, but still maintained their blood lines through "proper marriages."

matteatspuppies wrote...

android654 wrote...

matteatspuppies wrote...

Sahariel wrote...

I feel the need to step in and defend Valcutio. In his post he did declare that he was ok with having a gay character thrown into the mix, he simply said having every romance in DA2 open to both strained credulity. This is a fact I am afraid I have to agree with, although I don't happen to think that is the cardinal sin of DA2's romances.

he also said that just reading dialogue was gross, which i find kind of funny. "its ok to have a gay character but reading the gay text is gross, i dont want it"

that being said, i dont have DA2 but is it really that bad? yeah having all the characters be bi would throw off the uniqueness of a character but if you dont select it does it matter? like do they all come on to you no matter what? 

for me, having a gay character in the game wont affect the way i play and if there is dialogue for same sex shep ill just skip it and pick something more appropriate. dont see why text you can skip should make you feel irked.


No, unless you flirt with them, the dialogue includes pretty much benign conversation unless its prevalent ot the story. They don't really throw themselves at you unless you try first.

oh, in that case if the bologna pony isnt your type of ride just dont saddle up


That's exactly what I've been saying. I just by passed Fenris and Anders on the first playthrough, and then hit on them a little the 2nd time because I curious about the dialogue.

Modifié par android654, 24 mars 2011 - 04:12 .


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vader da slayer

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holy **** people

just make a toggle option that makes it so you can't or can have a homosexual option at all in conversation. period. that way those that don't want to even have the options appear on screen don't have to have it and those that do will have the option.

and Valcutio is right, it is impossible for you to randomly come accross that many people (and by randomly I dont mean go to a gay bar and pick 10 people) that are bisexual. having all characters either be a) romancable (cough garrus) B) bisexual/gay/however you want to lable it or c) both is dumb and ruins any kind of realsim (ie imerssibility) in the game from a character stand point. and the characters of a story make a story.

Modifié par vader da slayer, 24 mars 2011 - 06:38 .