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[Pacifien]

What I find ruins my immersion is that Shepard would just happen to have six out of twelve squadmates fully ready to jump into a romance. That's a 50% success rate. That's like if I walk into a room with 20 people, ten of them would be fully ready to spend their lives with me in blissful romance. Well, five of them because we're not accepting bisexuality.

[AlanC9]

But Shepard is awesome and we are not. He should have a better batting average than we do.

50% is still a bit high, though

[ElitePinecone]

Dave666 wrote...

On principle I have no issues with this proposal, people are people regardless of sexual orientation. I would prefer the idea of setting your orientation on character creation for the simple fact that its a lot easier for people who do have issues with this to not even see the content. That way if anyone complains that x hit on my Shepard! Its easy to turn around and say well...duh...you clicked gay...

*Edit* I personally feel that there would be a few less issues introducing a new character that was bi/gay whatever than changing current characters.  There would hopefully be less issues amongst fans.  I've heard before people suggesting that Garrus for example may have had feelings for Male-Shep, but didn't have the courage to say anything about it, and yes, IF it was well written it could work, but I have my doubts.  Not against it per-say, I just think with some characters its a bit late in the game to introduce changes.  With some exceptional writing it could still work though.

Good luck.

(I hope that came across the way I intended).

Thanks for the support.

I agree with you that a new character is probably better, although I doubt former squadmembers will play a large role in any case, so concerns that Garrus (for example) would be 'retconned' are somewhat redundant. The number of combinations of possible surviving ME2 squadmates would make a direct import over into ME3 a nightmare. 

I'm more wary of a 'sexual orientation checkbox' at the start of the game, simply because it imposes labels that some players might be uncomfortable with, makes too big a deal out of sexuality (there's no button for morality toggles, for example), limits player agency and (perhaps most of all) advertises the same-sex content much more widely than if it were left to players to 'discover', so to speak. There's a fair chance that players who would never have noticed same-sex content (and therefore would never have been 'offended') would pick up on the toggle at the character creation screen and feel (for whatever reason) badly towards it. 

Modifié par ElitePinecone, 24 mars 2011 - 07:55 .

[Ninja Mage]

PLEASE let Garrus be gay in Part 3..PLEASE I am begging you Bioware..dat voice

[Ninja Mage]

Garrus- I have been with human men Shepard, does that bother you?

1) No
2) yes
3) Don't Care

Shepard- No, it doesn't bother me Garrus....

Garrus- Then come over here and kiss me tiger...groowlll (lol)

Shepard- You don't have to ask me twice!

~hot makeout scene~

[matteatspuppies]

ElitePinecone wrote...

Dave666 wrote...

On principle I have no issues with this proposal, people are people regardless of sexual orientation. I would prefer the idea of setting your orientation on character creation for the simple fact that its a lot easier for people who do have issues with this to not even see the content. That way if anyone complains that x hit on my Shepard! Its easy to turn around and say well...duh...you clicked gay...

*Edit* I personally feel that there would be a few less issues introducing a new character that was bi/gay whatever than changing current characters.  There would hopefully be less issues amongst fans.  I've heard before people suggesting that Garrus for example may have had feelings for Male-Shep, but didn't have the courage to say anything about it, and yes, IF it was well written it could work, but I have my doubts.  Not against it per-say, I just think with some characters its a bit late in the game to introduce changes.  With some exceptional writing it could still work though.

Good luck.

(I hope that came across the way I intended).

Thanks for the support.

I agree with you that a new character is probably better, although I doubt former squadmembers will play a large role in any case, so concerns that Garrus (for example) would be 'retconned' are somewhat redundant. The number of combinations of possible surviving ME2 squadmates would make a direct import over into ME3 a nightmare. 

I'm more wary of a 'sexual orientation checkbox' at the start of the game, simply because it imposes labels that some players might be uncomfortable with, makes too big a deal out of sexuality (there's no button for morality toggles, for example), limits player agency and (perhaps most of all) advertises the same-sex content much more widely than if it were left to players to 'discover', so to speak. There's a fair chance that players who would never have noticed same-sex content (and therefore would never have been 'offended') would pick up on the toggle at the character creation screen and feel (for whatever reason) badly towards it. 

yeah i dont think a "i dont like (enter group of people here) so lets take them out button" will go over well no matter who it was for.

[Weltenschlange]

[redundant double post is redundant]

Modifié par Weltenschlange, 24 mars 2011 - 12:11 .

[android654]

matteatspuppies wrote...

ElitePinecone wrote...

Dave666 wrote...

On principle I have no issues with this proposal, people are people regardless of sexual orientation. I would prefer the idea of setting your orientation on character creation for the simple fact that its a lot easier for people who do have issues with this to not even see the content. That way if anyone complains that x hit on my Shepard! Its easy to turn around and say well...duh...you clicked gay...

*Edit* I personally feel that there would be a few less issues introducing a new character that was bi/gay whatever than changing current characters.  There would hopefully be less issues amongst fans.  I've heard before people suggesting that Garrus for example may have had feelings for Male-Shep, but didn't have the courage to say anything about it, and yes, IF it was well written it could work, but I have my doubts.  Not against it per-say, I just think with some characters its a bit late in the game to introduce changes.  With some exceptional writing it could still work though.

Good luck.

(I hope that came across the way I intended).

Thanks for the support.

I agree with you that a new character is probably better, although I doubt former squadmembers will play a large role in any case, so concerns that Garrus (for example) would be 'retconned' are somewhat redundant. The number of combinations of possible surviving ME2 squadmates would make a direct import over into ME3 a nightmare. 

I'm more wary of a 'sexual orientation checkbox' at the start of the game, simply because it imposes labels that some players might be uncomfortable with, makes too big a deal out of sexuality (there's no button for morality toggles, for example), limits player agency and (perhaps most of all) advertises the same-sex content much more widely than if it were left to players to 'discover', so to speak. There's a fair chance that players who would never have noticed same-sex content (and therefore would never have been 'offended') would pick up on the toggle at the character creation screen and feel (for whatever reason) badly towards it. 

yeah i dont think a "i dont like (enter group of people here) so lets take them out button" will go over well no matter who it was for.

I agree, that's crazy bigoted. Choosing orientation in cc is ok isuppose, or gee I don't know not flirt with the characters you don't wanna romance. Its simple.

[Weltenschlange]

vader da slayer wrote...
[...] and Valcutio is right, it is
impossible for you to randomly come accross that many people (and by
randomly I dont mean go to a gay bar and pick 10 people) that are
bisexual. [...]

"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man."

Seriously though, I'm always annoyed when someone makes a statement like that.

So let me say it again:

It's not impossible, it's just unlikely.

Please educate yourself about the difference.

[smilie]../../../../images/forum/emoticons/wizard.png[/smilie]

[Whatever42]

Pacifien wrote...

What I find ruins my immersion is that Shepard would just happen to have six out of twelve squadmates fully ready to jump into a romance. That's a 50% success rate. That's like if I walk into a room with 20 people, ten of them would be fully ready to spend their lives with me in blissful romance. Well, five of them because we're not accepting bisexuality.

Pretty much this. Making the entire crew romancable is going a bit far. It's already a minefield that I don't particularly enjoy.  I'm not against fanservice but everyone wants to hit everything in this game and its getting silly. Having to beat off all the men as well as all the women would just have me sending them all down the vents.

If we were to watch a tv show or read a novel, we don't get all pissy because the main character didn't sleep with who we want them to sleep with. Yes, I know we identify more with Shepard but its still not really us.

I certainly wouldn't object to a gay romance option for Shepard - as others pointed out on this thread, its simply a request for fanservice, no different than Tali fans - but when we get into the whole affirmative action thing and lets have 10 romancable crew members and lets make half the world gay or everyone bi so no one feels Bioware hates them - then it really starts to get really silly.

In future games, I hope Bioware limits the potential romance to one or two characters. By all means, include a gay character, lets just stay away from seveal options for everyone. Unless they're making a nightclub simulator.

[jshadow]

Agree with most here talking about balance.
If a party member showed any affection toward same sex in the past 2 games (Jack for example) or new upcomming party members, I can live with that, but making characters who have shown no interest toward same sex, let alone any interest at all in the past, just so they could satisfy a smutty fantasy of several thousand yaoi fangirls out there, that would just simply ruin it for pretty much most of the people out there (it ruined it for me in DA2 when they made Anders bi, after the "sigh, I just want a girl, a warm meal and being able to shoot lightning from my fingertips, that too much to ask for?")

So basicly, keep romances to limit.

[android654]

jshadow wrote...

Agree with most here talking about balance.
If a party member showed any affection toward same sex in the past 2 games (Jack for example) or new upcomming party members, I can live with that, but making characters who have shown no interest toward same sex, let alone any interest at all in the past, just so they could satisfy a smutty fantasy of several thousand yaoi fangirls out there, that would just simply ruin it for pretty much most of the people out there (it ruined it for me in DA2 when they made Anders bi, after the "sigh, I just want a girl, a warm meal and being able to shoot lightning from my fingertips, that too much to ask for?")

So basicly, keep romances to limit.

You do know bi means liking both genders, right?

Also, anyone complaining that Anders is gay or bi is ridiculous.

[Whatever42]

android654 wrote...

jshadow wrote...

Agree with most here talking about balance.
If a party member showed any affection toward same sex in the past 2 games (Jack for example) or new upcomming party members, I can live with that, but making characters who have shown no interest toward same sex, let alone any interest at all in the past, just so they could satisfy a smutty fantasy of several thousand yaoi fangirls out there, that would just simply ruin it for pretty much most of the people out there (it ruined it for me in DA2 when they made Anders bi, after the "sigh, I just want a girl, a warm meal and being able to shoot lightning from my fingertips, that too much to ask for?")

So basicly, keep romances to limit.

You do know bi means liking both genders, right?

Also, anyone complaining that Anders is gay or bi is ridiculous.

Actually, there are gay guys on this thread objecting to Anders being bi. But my only objection to Anders are the dialogue choices:

1) Get away from me!
2) I love you!
3) I love you!

And then he throws a fit when you say you're heterosexual. This has nothing to do with gay romance, this had to do with Anders being a self-absorbed jackass. Fortunately, you get to kill him later.

There was one dialogue with Fenris as well, where 2 out of the 3 dialogue choices have hearts. Now, I'm fine with romances, they're not a big part of my game, but half the DA2 character interaction seems to boil down to trying to screw someone. If they just would have put in a heart at the beginning, which would open up more hearts, fine. But they freaking bombard you with them with half your party.

[jshadow]

android654 wrote...

jshadow wrote...

Agree with most here talking about balance.
If a party member showed any affection toward same sex in the past 2 games (Jack for example) or new upcomming party members, I can live with that, but making characters who have shown no interest toward same sex, let alone any interest at all in the past, just so they could satisfy a smutty fantasy of several thousand yaoi fangirls out there, that would just simply ruin it for pretty much most of the people out there (it ruined it for me in DA2 when they made Anders bi, after the "sigh, I just want a girl, a warm meal and being able to shoot lightning from my fingertips, that too much to ask for?")

So basicly, keep romances to limit.

You do know bi means liking both genders, right?

Also, anyone complaining that Anders is gay or bi is ridiculous.

okay, maybe I went over with whole Anders thing, but in Awakening he was more of a lady's man compare to DA2

and ye I know what bi is, duh
but point is, romances mush have limits, otherwise it just turns bad

^what Whatever just said

Modifié par jshadow, 24 mars 2011 - 02:40 .

[Servo to the bitter end]

Hey Guys,

I've been more or less lurking for the past nine or ten months, but the release of DA2 and the impending Arrival dlc has brought me back to this forum, and I'm so happy this thread (and the group) is still going strong.

Here's to hoping this stuff is implemented in ME3 (I'm obviously not holding out for any DLC additions at this point, even though that WOULD have made the most sense). It would be silly not to at this point, considering the support on this forum for its inclusion. Personally, I don't have an issue with making all possible love interests bisexual, and I thought that was a reasonably elegant way of resolving it in DA2.

Anywho, signed and supported as always!

[android654]

jshadow wrote...

android654 wrote...

jshadow wrote...

Agree with most here talking about balance.
If a party member showed any affection toward same sex in the past 2 games (Jack for example) or new upcomming party members, I can live with that, but making characters who have shown no interest toward same sex, let alone any interest at all in the past, just so they could satisfy a smutty fantasy of several thousand yaoi fangirls out there, that would just simply ruin it for pretty much most of the people out there (it ruined it for me in DA2 when they made Anders bi, after the "sigh, I just want a girl, a warm meal and being able to shoot lightning from my fingertips, that too much to ask for?")

So basicly, keep romances to limit.

You do know bi means liking both genders, right?

Also, anyone complaining that Anders is gay or bi is ridiculous.

okay, maybe I went over with whole Anders thing, but in Awakening he was more of a lady's man compare to DA2

and ye I know what bi is, duh
but point is, romances mush have limits, otherwise it just turns bad

^what Whatever just said

Its not the complaints about Anders, its the fact that he isn't gay nor bi. If you talk to hm, he explains himself quite clearly. He's neither straight/gay/bi.

Modifié par android654, 24 mars 2011 - 03:56 .

[Ice Cold J]

MisterDyslexo wrote...

This just came from the front page:

octoberfire suggested:
Just like paragon and renegade is color-coded
we're hoping that romance for ALL romances are color coded to pink or
some other various color, and possibly change script so you know when
you're about to accidentally/purposely start a romance.  This would be
similar to those of you who've played Vampire: The Masquerade – Bloodlines.

Issues this would resolve:

Stop the accidentally started romances (like I did with Jacob)

Simple
coding because all that would need to be done is change the colored
font for romance, if it's just those who are already in the game, but
unlocked.

For both same-sex and straight romances.
[/list]

Would that work for you, because quite frankly I think many people would benefit from it. Sometimes you're able to read between the lines with Bioware's dialog wheel, and sometimes you're not *cough cough* Jacob *cough* so it would probably be an addition everybody could appreciate.

Sure... I'd be down with that.

diskoh wrote...

Ice Cold J wrote...

Myself, I'd prefer it if there were no same sex romances (the exception being the Asari, since they have been defined as "genderless").

They've been defined as "monogendered" in the codex. That gender being female. According to the codex. You know, in the game.

Umm... OK. But, since they're "monogendered," that sorta implies that there is only one. Therefore, why even state that they have a gender at all?

I appreciate your use of the game to point something out to me, but you see where I was coming from, right?

android654 wrote...

Ice Cold J wrote...

Myself, I'd prefer it if there were no same sex romances (the exception being the Asari, since they have been defined as "genderless").
That being said, it doesn't really bother me if there is a same-sex romance in the game. As long as I don't try for a paragon reply and wind up having Grunt coming on to me...   

Sometimes while I'm on here, I can't help but feel daft.

Why is it that same sex li's bother people so much. Isn't everyone aware it isn't mandatory in order to complete the game?

Umm... You DID see that I also wrote that it wouldn't really bother me if there was a same-sex romance, right?

I mean, you even quoted me in your post and all... you HAD to have seen it... right?

Modifié par Ice Cold J, 24 mars 2011 - 04:25 .

[Alamar2078]

Curiosity Question: Would anyone find it "offensive" if a random RPG game had 6 love interests and all of the LIs were BI??

I'd be curious to hear people's opinion because that [oddly] strikes me as mildly offensive.

Are the characters born "straight" unworthy to be in a game? Are the characters born "gay" unworthy to be in a game? Would the above imply that being straight, bi, gay etc. is purely a choice?

[Tarek]

Ninja Mage wrote...

Garrus- I have been with human men Shepard, does that bother you?

1) No
2) yes
3) Don't Care

Shepard- No, it doesn't bother me Garrus....

Garrus- Then come over here and kiss me tiger...groowlll (lol)

Shepard- You don't have to ask me twice!

~hot makeout scene~

[jshadow]

Alamar2078 wrote...

Curiosity Question: Would anyone find it "offensive" if a random RPG game had 6 love interests and all of the LIs were BI??

I'd be curious to hear people's opinion because that [oddly] strikes me as mildly offensive.

Are the characters born "straight" unworthy to be in a game? Are the characters born "gay" unworthy to be in a game? Would the above imply that being straight, bi, gay etc. is purely a choice?

please don't assume that just because some of us don't like "over-bi-izing" romances that we're homophobes or something, but characters must have SET personalities for RPG to work properly, otherwise, it just seems characters are unrealistic
I honestly can't imagin or shudder to imagin Garrus or even Wrex having affection for male Shapherd =S

[Tarek]

Alamar2078 wrote...

Curiosity Question: Would anyone find it "offensive" if a random RPG game had 6 love interests and all of the LIs were BI??

I'd be curious to hear people's opinion because that [oddly] strikes me as mildly offensive.

Are the characters born "straight" unworthy to be in a game? Are the characters born "gay" unworthy to be in a game? Would the above imply that being straight, bi, gay etc. is purely a choice?

I will give Bioware the benefit of a doubt here and say that they just want to give us more choices, and they did not mean that hetro or gay characters are unworthy , they just wanted YOU to have the RP option to set the sexuality of your character and perhaps the squad mates (did not ply DA2 so I could be off here) <3

[Almostfaceman]

Ninja Mage wrote...

Garrus- I have been with human men Shepard, does that bother you?

1) No
2) yes
3) Don't Care

Shepard- No, it doesn't bother me Garrus....

Garrus- Then come over here and kiss me tiger...groowlll (lol)

Shepard- You don't have to ask me twice!

~hot makeout scene~

[Tarek]

^lol

[Whatever42]

Alamar2078 wrote...

Curiosity Question: Would anyone find it "offensive" if a random RPG game had 6 love interests and all of the LIs were BI??

I'd be curious to hear people's opinion because that [oddly] strikes me as mildly offensive.

Are the characters born "straight" unworthy to be in a game? Are the characters born "gay" unworthy to be in a game? Would the above imply that being straight, bi, gay etc. is purely a choice?

I think the argument is that no one minds a bi character or a gay character, they simply think making every character bi is a bit silly. Not to mention, its poor quality because all the dialogues would be pretty generic.  I know there is a gay culture (unless tv is lying to me!) - are there different romantic tropes? Or do they go for the noble dying fish guy as much as the ladies?

[Ramirez Wolfen]

Almostfaceman wrote...

Ninja Mage wrote...

Garrus- I have been with human men Shepard, does that bother you?

1) No
2) yes
3) Don't Care

Shepard- No, it doesn't bother me Garrus....

Garrus- Then come over here and kiss me tiger...groowlll (lol)

Shepard- You don't have to ask me twice!

~hot makeout scene~

Double :sick: