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[Whatever42]

jlb524 wrote...

Don't flirt with him.  Heart icon = no click.

I didn't click a heart. If you don't click a heart, he actually gets mad at you and you get +10 rivalry.

Zev is the same way, but you can just avoid that dialogue path. Maybe you can with Anders too. Next playthrough, I'll just be a dick to him right from the start.

[Saeran]

coolair74 wrote...

Saeran wrote...

coolair74 wrote...

Saeran wrote...

And you believe that's a fair enough reason for people not to want / ask Bioware not to include an option so my Shepard doesn't die a lonely old man?

He doesnt have to be lonely , you chose to go that route.  There are 4 options for Romance for Male Shepard.  Choose one or none.  He doesnt share your sexual life, he isnt you. He is a Straight male,  her perfers tacos to hot dogs.  What is so hard to understand about this?

Likewise he isn't you, so let's make the game even less choice orientated and force him to be a paragon for every option. If you want the option of punching a reporter in the face, it's no longer there because he isn't you right? That's how this works?

Of course now you go overboard.  Bioware determines what is choosable and what isnt. Its thier narrative.

its pointless to discuss it any further with you, youll never get it through your noodle.

Hence why we ask Bioware through this thread to include that option, not demand or any such nonsense. I've bought Mass Effect and 2 copies of Mass Effect 2 with all it's DLC for both PC and Xbox 360, I'm an avid fan of BioWare and pretty much everything they do, that doesn't mean I can't be disappointed at Mass Effects route of lolgirlongirlishawt. I would *like* that option for m/m, if it isn't there, your right. I will of chosen for him to die a lonely old man or at least meet the man of his dreams after the games content has been played out... Unless of course he dies in ME 3 in which case he will of died lonely regardless.

As I say though, all of that doesn't stop us from asking BioWare for said option. Nor will you saying "lol it'll never happen because they said so a year ago".

[jlb524]

So, you can't be friends with Anders b/c you gain +10 rivalry points for one convo where you don't flirt back with him?

[Pacifien]

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

jlb524 wrote...
Don't flirt with him.  Heart icon = no click.

I didn't click a heart. If you don't click a heart, he actually gets mad at you and you get +10 rivalry.

Zev is the same way, but you can just avoid that dialogue path. Maybe you can with Anders too. Next playthrough, I'll just be a dick to him right from the start.

I'm aware there's this issue with Anders flirting with a male Hawke without the prompt, but I managed to not get it. I mean, I never had to be a dick to him to get him to stop. Nobody can really tell me exactly how they got to the point where Anders flirts with them, and I equally don't have a guide that tells you how you can avoid it altogether.

Also, I think the whole point of the friendship/rivalry system was to get people away from the concept of disapproval. +10 rivalry isn't bad. And if you support the cause of mages, it's really easy to correct.

I suppose I could then bring up the time Merrill came Hawke's Estate and basically gave me no choice but to either sleep with her or cruelly send her away. So it happens with Anders, it happens with Merrill, and it's obviously a system the writers still need to work on.

[coolair74]

Pacifien wrote...

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

jlb524 wrote...
Don't flirt with him.  Heart icon = no click.

I didn't click a heart. If you don't click a heart, he actually gets mad at you and you get +10 rivalry.

Zev is the same way, but you can just avoid that dialogue path. Maybe you can with Anders too. Next playthrough, I'll just be a dick to him right from the start.

I'm aware there's this issue with Anders flirting with a male Hawke without the prompt, but I managed to not get it. I mean, I never had to be a dick to him to get him to stop. Nobody can really tell me exactly how they got to the point where Anders flirts with them, and I equally don't have a guide that tells you how you can avoid it altogether.

Also, I think the whole point of the friendship/rivalry system was to get people away from the concept of disapproval. +10 rivalry isn't bad. And if you support the cause of mages, it's really easy to correct.

I suppose I could then bring up the time Merrill came Hawke's Estate and basically gave me no choice but to either sleep with her or cruelly send her away. So it happens with Anders, it happens with Merrill, and it's obviously a system the writers still need to work on.

I chose no hearts to Merrill and she never showed up at my house, given I had already slept with Isabela. I did absolutely nothing with Anders in regard to hearts and i still got accousted with man love, Fenris did it as well.

[android654]

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

coolair74 wrote...

Read this and depair.

http://www.1up.com/d...026170&cmp=0101

He should have just shrugged and said 'we didn't want to'.

Pretty much. There's nothing in the game, as far as the story, that explains Shepard's personality. It was Simply Bioware saying they weren't gonna. However, it was originally intended by the dev team. as evidenced here...





So it was stripped from the final product, but it seems like there's more evidence for a Shepard with an interchangeable sexuality as opposed to a straight one.

Pacifien wrote...

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

jlb524 wrote...
Don't flirt with him.  Heart icon = no click.

I didn't click a heart. If you don't click a heart, he actually gets mad at you and you get +10 rivalry.

Zev is the same way, but you can just avoid that dialogue path. Maybe you can with Anders too. Next playthrough, I'll just be a dick to him right from the start.

I'm aware there's this issue with Anders flirting with a male Hawke without the prompt, but I managed to not get it. I mean, I never had to be a dick to him to get him to stop. Nobody can really tell me exactly how they got to the point where Anders flirts with them, and I equally don't have a guide that tells you how you can avoid it altogether.

Also, I think the whole point of the friendship/rivalry system was to get people away from the concept of disapproval. +10 rivalry isn't bad. And if you support the cause of mages, it's really easy to correct.

I suppose I could then bring up the time Merrill came Hawke's Estate and basically gave me no choice but to either sleep with her or cruelly send her away. So it happens with Anders, it happens with Merrill, and it's obviously a system the writers still need to work on.

The reason no one can tell you is because they're embellishing on the issue cuz they simply don't like it. I played as Male Hawke, and didn't flirt nor had to ****** off Anders to get him to full friendship.

Modifié par android654, 24 mars 2011 - 06:51 .

[Siansonea]

Oh look, the thread has been swamped by the kindergamers since the troll thread was locked. I'm so surprised. This is why people need parenting, to keep them off the Internet where adults are trying to have a conversation.

[Ramirez Wolfen]

Siansonea II wrote...

Oh look, the thread has been swamped by the kindergamers since the troll thread was locked. I'm so surprised. This is why people need parenting, to keep them off the Internet where adults are trying to have a conversation.

Oh look who it is.

[Alamar2078]

[quote]jlb524 wrote...
Bisexuals exist in reality...I think.  Aw, man, maybe they don't!   Like elves...
[/quote]

Hmm .. I'm not sure if you are trolling by deliberately misinterpreting what I'm trying to say.  In the event you aren't let me make it clear. It makes sense for some characters to be straight-only,  it makes sense for some [other]characters to be gay-only, it makes sense for yet other characters to be BI.

It does not make sense for EVERYONE to be BI.

Therefore I think it's more logical for some LIs to be straight, some gay, and some BI.  Having everyone be BI is not realistic and would likely be insulting to folks that believe you are born with your orientation as opposed to it just being another choice.

[quote]
[quote]Alamar2078 wrote...
Forcing everyone to be BI [IMHO] unintentionally sends the wrong message.[/quote]

No one is forced to be bisexual (in DA2...if you want to talk about that game)...they were written as bisexual.

MaleHawke doesn't have to force himself on Anders.  FemHawke doesn't have to force herself on Isabela (though she might like that).
[/quote][/quote]

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I'm not talking about the main character ... I'm talking about the LIs being BI.   Please try not to misinterpret what I'm talking about.

Note:  I think it's fine to see a "flirt" dialog with my main character.  I can choose to persue it or not.

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In terms of DA2 I certainly see some characters [Isabella] being an any-port-in-a-storm kind of girl so it's appropriate for her to be BI.  I don't have a problem if Anders wants to play for both teams.   I would think it's wrong to have 100% of LIs BI because that's not realistic and can be offensive if you're the sort to be offended by that sort of thing.

Modifié par Alamar2078, 24 mars 2011 - 07:05 .

[Siansonea]

coolair74 wrote...

Pacifien wrote...

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

jlb524 wrote...
Don't flirt with him.  Heart icon = no click.

I didn't click a heart. If you don't click a heart, he actually gets mad at you and you get +10 rivalry.

Zev is the same way, but you can just avoid that dialogue path. Maybe you can with Anders too. Next playthrough, I'll just be a dick to him right from the start.

I'm aware there's this issue with Anders flirting with a male Hawke without the prompt, but I managed to not get it. I mean, I never had to be a dick to him to get him to stop. Nobody can really tell me exactly how they got to the point where Anders flirts with them, and I equally don't have a guide that tells you how you can avoid it altogether.

Also, I think the whole point of the friendship/rivalry system was to get people away from the concept of disapproval. +10 rivalry isn't bad. And if you support the cause of mages, it's really easy to correct.

I suppose I could then bring up the time Merrill came Hawke's Estate and basically gave me no choice but to either sleep with her or cruelly send her away. So it happens with Anders, it happens with Merrill, and it's obviously a system the writers still need to work on.

I chose no hearts to Merrill and she never showed up at my house, given I had already slept with Isabela. I did absolutely nothing with Anders in regard to hearts and i still got accousted with man love, Fenris did it as well.

And you didn't immediately send your game back for a refund? With a strongly worded missive to BioWare about Gay Homosexuals in your game? You realize that by continuing to play the game, you are tacitly accepting the fact that it's okay for a dude to flirt with 'you'. I dunno, people might get the wrong impression about you over this...

[Ryzaki]

coolair74 wrote...

I chose no hearts to Merrill and she never showed up at my house, given I had already slept with Isabela. I did absolutely nothing with Anders in regard to hearts and i still got accousted with man love, Fenris did it as well.

It's impossible to romance Fen without clicking a heart. 

I screwed up his romance a few times by not doing so. 

You have to drag him kicking and screaming to romance Hawke. 

Fen will never hit on you again unless you take his compliment in a flirty manner. 

Hawke flirts first. 

Fenris is just a bit awkward about the way he says it. If you just move the conversation along with a"Happy to help." he nods and continues the conversation. If you act agressive he is a little bewildered that you took it that way. 

Same with Anders. Heck the hearts are what initate the sex/kiss scenes. 

So sorry bud but your a bald face liar. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 24 mars 2011 - 06:58 .

[Naltair]

Siansonea II wrote...

Oh look, the thread has been swamped by the kindergamers since the troll thread was locked. I'm so surprised. This is why people need parenting, to keep them off the Internet where adults are trying to have a conversation.

Both you and Ramirez are being anything but mature, you should take your argument to PMs.

[Siansonea]

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

Oh look, the thread has been swamped by the kindergamers since the troll thread was locked. I'm so surprised. This is why people need parenting, to keep them off the Internet where adults are trying to have a conversation.

Oh look who it is.

Oh look who exhausted their supply of GTFO graphics. Don't worry, there will be new ones someday, if I know my Internet.

[Whatever42]

Pacifien wrote...

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

jlb524 wrote...
Don't flirt with him.  Heart icon = no click.

I didn't click a heart. If you don't click a heart, he actually gets mad at you and you get +10 rivalry.

Zev is the same way, but you can just avoid that dialogue path. Maybe you can with Anders too. Next playthrough, I'll just be a dick to him right from the start.

I'm aware there's this issue with Anders flirting with a male Hawke without the prompt, but I managed to not get it. I mean, I never had to be a dick to him to get him to stop. Nobody can really tell me exactly how they got to the point where Anders flirts with them, and I equally don't have a guide that tells you how you can avoid it altogether.

Also, I think the whole point of the friendship/rivalry system was to get people away from the concept of disapproval. +10 rivalry isn't bad. And if you support the cause of mages, it's really easy to correct.

I suppose I could then bring up the time Merrill came Hawke's Estate and basically gave me no choice but to either sleep with her or cruelly send her away. So it happens with Anders, it happens with Merrill, and it's obviously a system the writers still need to work on.

Oh, it didn't tick me off that badly. I just shudder to have a party of characters being in my face like that. It's bad enough that I have to be careful with the female characters; having everyone bi means they've just doubled the number of characters I feel uncomfortable around.

[Siansonea]

Naltair wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

Oh look, the thread has been swamped by the kindergamers since the troll thread was locked. I'm so surprised. This is why people need parenting, to keep them off the Internet where adults are trying to have a conversation.

Both you and Ramirez are being anything but mature, you should take your argument to PMs.

You're right, I shouldn't spar with the kiddies, it's beneath me. If it were up to me, all boys between the ages of 13-21 would be sent to military school. Preferably one with no Internet connection.

[Pacifien]

coolair74 wrote...
I chose no hearts to Merrill and she never showed up at my house, given I had already slept with Isabela. I did absolutely nothing with Anders in regard to hearts and i still got accousted with man love, Fenris did it as well.

I also chose no hearts with Merrill, was in a relationship with another character, and she still showed up at my house. Only instead of simply accepting the flirtation, my choice was to stomp on her heart or sleep with her. I think my case of unwanted romantic interest trumps what I've heard happened with Anders. But I take it as a glitch of development.

ETA: Also, if you got accosted by Fenris without ever clicking a heart icon, you need to let some of the pro-Fenris romance people know how you got it done, 'cause that boy does not want to be romanced easily.

Modifié par Pacifien, 24 mars 2011 - 07:02 .

[Almostfaceman]

coolair74 wrote...

android654 wrote...

coolair74 wrote...

Female Shepard is free to pursue homosexual relationships.
Game. Set. Match

[/b]Um sorta, and No, Im still correct since Im talking about MALEShep.
We all know that Liara isnt a girl, she just looks like one, Bioware has also explained that. She comes from a mono- gendered species.

In the codex, in the game, it states Asari are FEMALE. Mono genedered would means one gender, not non existing gender. No two ways about it, Female Shepard can be gay.

Also, Shepard doesn't have a predetermined anything in his character outside of the backstory you choose. If I'm wrong, please show me where its listed otherwise.

Read this and depair.

http://www.1up.com/d...026170&cmp=0101

I read that and agree.  I don't want s/s LI's in ME, keep it the PG-13 action sci-fi movie please.

[Pacifien]

Ramirez and Siansonea, you both are out of line in bringing up your personal feelings about each other in this thread. You stick to the subject at hand.

[coolair74]

Saeran wrote...

coolair74 wrote...

Saeran wrote...

coolair74 wrote...

Saeran wrote...

And you believe that's a fair enough reason for people not to want / ask Bioware not to include an option so my Shepard doesn't die a lonely old man?

He doesnt have to be lonely , you chose to go that route.  There are 4 options for Romance for Male Shepard.  Choose one or none.  He doesnt share your sexual life, he isnt you. He is a Straight male,  her perfers tacos to hot dogs.  What is so hard to understand about this?

Likewise he isn't you, so let's make the game even less choice orientated and force him to be a paragon for every option. If you want the option of punching a reporter in the face, it's no longer there because he isn't you right? That's how this works?

Of course now you go overboard.  Bioware determines what is choosable and what isnt. Its thier narrative.

its pointless to discuss it any further with you, youll never get it through your noodle.

Hence why we ask Bioware through this thread to include that option, not demand or any such nonsense. I've bought Mass Effect and 2 copies of Mass Effect 2 with all it's DLC for both PC and Xbox 360, I'm an avid fan of BioWare and pretty much everything they do, that doesn't mean I can't be disappointed at Mass Effects route of lolgirlongirlishawt. I would *like* that option for m/m, if it isn't there, your right. I will of chosen for him to die a lonely old man or at least meet the man of his dreams after the games content has been played out... Unless of course he dies in ME 3 in which case he will of died lonely regardless.

As I say though, all of that doesn't stop us from asking BioWare for said option. Nor will you saying "lol it'll never happen because they said so a year ago".

So you want a DLC made and catered just for gay males?  I doubt that would be cost effective for Bioware.

Now make a full on nude DLC for the existing sex scenes and they would make 4 billion by end of the week.  And that is the Ugly Truth.

[coolair74]

Siansonea II wrote...

coolair74 wrote...

Pacifien wrote...

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

jlb524 wrote...
Don't flirt with him.  Heart icon = no click.

I didn't click a heart. If you don't click a heart, he actually gets mad at you and you get +10 rivalry.

Zev is the same way, but you can just avoid that dialogue path. Maybe you can with Anders too. Next playthrough, I'll just be a dick to him right from the start.

I'm aware there's this issue with Anders flirting with a male Hawke without the prompt, but I managed to not get it. I mean, I never had to be a dick to him to get him to stop. Nobody can really tell me exactly how they got to the point where Anders flirts with them, and I equally don't have a guide that tells you how you can avoid it altogether.

Also, I think the whole point of the friendship/rivalry system was to get people away from the concept of disapproval. +10 rivalry isn't bad. And if you support the cause of mages, it's really easy to correct.

I suppose I could then bring up the time Merrill came Hawke's Estate and basically gave me no choice but to either sleep with her or cruelly send her away. So it happens with Anders, it happens with Merrill, and it's obviously a system the writers still need to work on.

I chose no hearts to Merrill and she never showed up at my house, given I had already slept with Isabela. I did absolutely nothing with Anders in regard to hearts and i still got accousted with man love, Fenris did it as well.

And you didn't immediately send your game back for a refund? With a strongly worded missive to BioWare about Gay Homosexuals in your game? You realize that by continuing to play the game, you are tacitly accepting the fact that it's okay for a dude to flirt with 'you'. I dunno, people might get the wrong impression about you over this...

Im fine with S/S LIs in Dragon Age as it has always had them and Hawke isnt Shepard.

I just think the game is bugged with some playthroughs and the LI trigger even if you dont want them too.

And I consider being called a Liar  an insult and a personal attack, moderator, please curb this. I havent attacked anyone here.

[Saeran]

Almostfaceman wrote...

coolair74 wrote...

android654 wrote...

coolair74 wrote...

Female Shepard is free to pursue homosexual relationships.
Game. Set. Match

[/b]Um sorta, and No, Im still correct since Im talking about MALEShep.
We all know that Liara isnt a girl, she just looks like one, Bioware has also explained that. She comes from a mono- gendered species.

In the codex, in the game, it states Asari are FEMALE. Mono genedered would means one gender, not non existing gender. No two ways about it, Female Shepard can be gay.

Also, Shepard doesn't have a predetermined anything in his character outside of the backstory you choose. If I'm wrong, please show me where its listed otherwise.

Read this and depair.

http://www.1up.com/d...026170&cmp=0101

I read that and agree.  I don't want s/s LI's in ME, keep it the PG-13 action sci-fi movie please.

So they should also remove Kelly Chambers and Liara from the game?

[Saeran]

coolair74 wrote...

So you want a DLC made and catered just for gay males?  I doubt that would be cost effective for Bioware.

Now make a full on nude DLC for the existing sex scenes and they would make 4 billion by end of the week.  And that is the Ugly Truth.

I would like that yes, I wouldn't expect that however. I would like a character to be introduced in ME 3 personally.

[Pacifien]

The participants of the Fight for the Love thread had always taken pride in the face that they leave the discussion open to both sides of the argument. Demonstrate respect to everyone, even if their viewpoints contradicts your own. This is true for any topic of discussion on these forums. If you are unable to approach people with respect, you will find yourself unable to participate in the discussion.

[jlb524]

Alamar2078 wrote...

It does not make sense for EVERYONE to be BI.

Therefore I think it's more logical for some LIs to be straight, some gay, and some BI.  Having everyone be BI is not realistic and would likely be insulting to folks that believe you are born with your orientation as opposed to it just being another choice.

You mean, it doesn't make sense for all LI's to be bi, right?  Because, even in DA2, not everyone was bisexual (Aveline, Carver, Sebastian...).  I'm not even talking about 'choice' or anything here.

One point that has been brought up is that b/c taboos against homosexuality do not exist in Thedas (as they do in our culture) it is more likely that people in this fictional culture will be comfortable with any homosexual attraction, and won't repress and hide it.  No one has really refuted this as far as I know.

Alamar2078 wrote...
I'm not talking about the main character ... I'm talking about the LIs being BI.   Please try not to misinterpret what I'm talking about.

I was too....no one is forcing the LIs to be bisexual.  They just are.

[coolair74]

Saeran wrote...

Almostfaceman wrote...

coolair74 wrote...

android654 wrote...

coolair74 wrote...

Female Shepard is free to pursue homosexual relationships.
Game. Set. Match

[/b]Um sorta, and No, Im still correct since Im talking about MALEShep.
We all know that Liara isnt a girl, she just looks like one, Bioware has also explained that. She comes from a mono- gendered species.

In the codex, in the game, it states Asari are FEMALE. Mono genedered would means one gender, not non existing gender. No two ways about it, Female Shepard can be gay.

Also, Shepard doesn't have a predetermined anything in his character outside of the backstory you choose. If I'm wrong, please show me where its listed otherwise.

Read this and depair.

http://www.1up.com/d...026170&cmp=0101

I read that and agree.  I don't want s/s LI's in ME, keep it the PG-13 action sci-fi movie please.

So they should also remove Kelly Chambers and Liara from the game?

Either that or they should have changed her to Yoeman Kenny for the Femshep.  But I think we all know why they didnt.