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[Almostfaceman]

Saeran wrote...

Almostfaceman wrote...

coolair74 wrote...

android654 wrote...

coolair74 wrote...

Female Shepard is free to pursue homosexual relationships.
Game. Set. Match

[/b]Um sorta, and No, Im still correct since Im talking about MALEShep.
We all know that Liara isnt a girl, she just looks like one, Bioware has also explained that. She comes from a mono- gendered species.

In the codex, in the game, it states Asari are FEMALE. Mono genedered would means one gender, not non existing gender. No two ways about it, Female Shepard can be gay.

Also, Shepard doesn't have a predetermined anything in his character outside of the backstory you choose. If I'm wrong, please show me where its listed otherwise.

Read this and depair.

http://www.1up.com/d...026170&cmp=0101

I read that and agree.  I don't want s/s LI's in ME, keep it the PG-13 action sci-fi movie please.

So they should also remove Kelly Chambers and Liara from the game?

I obviously - and I do stress obviously - don't agree with you or anyone else who equates Kelly or Liara as a s/s relationship.  I also don't see the point in debating it, because I don't see me changing your mind, or you changing my mind.

Cheers! 

[Nightodie]

I don't understand the problem. You have the right to follow the romances the way you want, and we have the right to follow our way. I am not a male, but I still like to have the right to play as one. Who we want to romance and what sex they are should be a personal choice and no one should have to answer to anyone about said choice.

It's not like we are coming to your home and playing with your character and making them have sex with someone you wouldn't. We are playing our own game, our own way.

What's wrong with that. The whole idea is fantasy. Just because my fantasies don't match yours, that doesn't make mine less valid. So if I want to be a man and I want to jump another man, and none of it is real... why is that a problem?

[Pwener2313]

This thread is still around? Amazing.... yet no amount of groveling, ass-kissing, fandom, hatred or trolling will make BW give Shepard an m/m or f/f romance. Too bad....

[Nashiktal]

I support romances of any sexual orientation as long as its by choice. Also I would rather not be told I was "trying to control their thoughts" when I turn them down.

I mean look Anders bro, I like you, I just don't want to date you. Not entirely sure why you think i'm controlling your thoughts. >.>

[Pwener2313]

ME3 could use a setting like this....

Are you gay?  [YES]  [NO]  [BOTH WAYS]

[Ramirez Wolfen]

Alright, I've come up with something that I want to say. I will try not to be offensive.

It seems that along with some of the things being said here, some of you think that you are "entitled" to having bisexual LIs because it's for "equality" (it may seem like I'm about to get offensive but bear with me on this).

Actually you are not entitled to anything. No one is entitled to anything, but it seems that the majority (the ones who make straight romances and straight things in the media, if I'm saying this right) are making the rules, and no one can deny this. Am I saying that you should just give in? No, you shouldn't, but just changing everything that already is. Some of say that you want equality. If I were to go by what you were saying when it comes to that, to me it comes off like we should do this to everything, using these examples:

Star Wars
Everybody was straight, right?
Instead, let's make Luke a gay lover with Han Solo, to make it gay friendly.

The Godfather movies
Everybody was straight, right?
Instead, let's make Michael Corleone a bisexual who is married with a woman, but has a gay lover.

If you ask me, that would mess with those movies a whole LOT. And how is that fair to those that grew up on those things just to have them changed just because you felt it was "homophobic" or not "gay friendly?" I don't think that's fair at all.

Also, I want to say that I don't feel that ME should be changed just to fit a minority. I do feel that a new game could be made (with new characters, new story and such) that could have bi or gay romances. I'm not against s/s romances, I'm just against changing characters.

What I said here might be a little confusing because i admit I'm not the best at saying stuff like this, so if you don't get what I'm saying, ask me what parts you don't get and I will try to explain myself.

[Valcutio]

Anders was probably one of the most disturbing changes for me going into DA2. He was a straight character that the devs decided to change and in doing so, ended up destroying the lore. Introducing a bi or gay character is one thing but changing an existing straight character is destructive of any immersion the story presents. Continuity is crucial for there to be any connection to characters.

And I just want to bring up the fact that despite the appearance of Asari - the fact that they can have intercourse and reproduce with human females means that there is nothing gay about it. There are very feminine looking men in the world but if a woman has sex with one it doesn't mean she's gay.

[Tarek]

Pwener2313 wrote...

ME3 could use a setting like this....

Are you gay?  [YES]  [NO]  [BOTH WAYS]

hehe I can see fox news now "a game asking people if they are GAY, is the game discrimnating against gay people, more later on the subject"

OR more fox news: "a gay teen was killed last night by his parents, ME3 is to blame."

OR more fox news: "An alien invasion by Reapers, ME3 is to blame."

[Cootie]

Hooboy, is it just me or do people occasionally just come in here to show off how stubborn they can be?

Quick heads-up, everyone:
Equal representation is obviously a bad thing, since different people who don't affect me in any way at all, strangely offends me.
I also believe that even though there is a lesbian coupling in both of the Mass Effect games, there shouldn't be any male homosexuality, because I do not find men attractive.
I also believe that Bioware could save money by just scrapping most of the classes, because I only play as a Soldier.
And who plays FemShep, amirite, lads?

Please don't force writing onto our companions in the game simply because some fans wanted it, okay, Bioware? You're doing a fine job keeping things together.
Also, I romanced Tali.

[/sarcasm]

Please, people, recognise that this thread is in all aspects an advocate of CHOICE. There are so many suggestions of different compromises in the first post, and for the most part now I see moot, heavily opinionated posts that entirely ignore the points made in the OP.
"Yeah, but I dun want no one hittin' on me without my consent" - That is on the thread's list, too!
Honestly, don't just jump directly into something as sensitive as this seems to be without actually absorbing what it's all about.

This is no different than wanting a new heavy weapon or for the Mako to return. If you wish to somehow demean the suggestions raised in this thread, make it into a discussion without trying to look like a mongrel.
This is all about compromise. How can we all be happy and get what we want?
Don't just say no and leave it at that. That's just unreasonable.

It is unbelievable that I must remind people of what this is actually about, and to keep it civil, at that.

Too Long, Didn't Read:
For all the naysayers (and supporters alike), could you take a trip to the first page, just briefly, and skim through the opening posts one more time?
Find points raised which you like and let us know.
Which ones don't you like?

Be reasonable, be constructive, be fair.

[Tarek]

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

Alright, I've come up with something that I want to say. I will try not to be offensive.

It seems that along with some of the things being said here, some of you think that you are "entitled" to having bisexual LIs because it's for "equality" (it may seem like I'm about to get offensive but bear with me on this).

Actually you are not entitled to anything. No one is entitled to anything, but it seems that the majority (the ones who make straight romances and straight things in the media, if I'm saying this right) are making the rules, and no one can deny this. Am I saying that you should just give in? No, you shouldn't, but just changing everything that already is. Some of say that you want equality. If I were to go by what you were saying when it comes to that, to me it comes off like we should do this to everything, using these examples:

Star Wars
Everybody was straight, right?
Instead, let's make Luke a gay lover with Han Solo, to make it gay friendly.

The Godfather movies
Everybody was straight, right?
Instead, let's make Michael Corleone a bisexual who is married with a woman, but has a gay lover.

If you ask me, that would mess with those movies a whole LOT. And how is that fair to those that grew up on those things just to have them changed just because you felt it was "homophobic" or not "gay friendly?" I don't think that's fair at all.

Also, I want to say that I don't feel that ME should be changed just to fit a minority. I do feel that a new game could be made (with new characters, new story and such) that could have bi or gay romances. I'm not against s/s romances, I'm just against changing characters.

What I said here might be a little confusing because i admit I'm not the best at saying stuff like this, so if you don't get what I'm saying, ask me what parts you don't get and I will try to explain myself.

interactive games =/= movies

[Ramirez Wolfen]

Tarek wrote...

interactive games =/= movies

Here's a game that is interactive:

GTA 4
Niko Bellic is straight.
Instead let's make him in love with Florian.

[Saeran]

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

Alright, I've come up with something that I want to say. I will try not to be offensive.

It seems that along with some of the things being said here, some of you think that you are "entitled" to having bisexual LIs because it's for "equality" (it may seem like I'm about to get offensive but bear with me on this).

Actually you are not entitled to anything. No one is entitled to anything, but it seems that the majority (the ones who make straight romances and straight things in the media, if I'm saying this right) are making the rules, and no one can deny this. Am I saying that you should just give in? No, you shouldn't, but just changing everything that already is. Some of say that you want equality. If I were to go by what you were saying when it comes to that, to me it comes off like we should do this to everything, using these examples:

Star Wars
Everybody was straight, right?
Instead, let's make Luke a gay lover with Han Solo, to make it gay friendly.

The Godfather movies
Everybody was straight, right?
Instead, let's make Michael Corleone a bisexual who is married with a woman, but has a gay lover.

If you ask me, that would mess with those movies a whole LOT. And how is that fair to those that grew up on those things just to have them changed just because you felt it was "homophobic" or not "gay friendly?" I don't think that's fair at all.

Also, I want to say that I don't feel that ME should be changed just to fit a minority. I do feel that a new game could be made (with new characters, new story and such) that could have bi or gay romances. I'm not against s/s romances, I'm just against changing characters.

What I said here might be a little confusing because i admit I'm not the best at saying stuff like this, so if you don't get what I'm saying, ask me what parts you don't get and I will try to explain myself.

Whilst what you say is understandable.. at the same time you sound as if having the option present in the game is all of a sudden going to make *your* Shepard the most outrageously camp homosexual who's always hitting on / getting hit on by the love interest. ME WON'T be changed to *fit* the minority.

[TheMarshal]

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

Alright, I've come up with something that I want to say. I will try not to be offensive.

It seems that along with some of the things being said here, some of you think that you are "entitled" to having bisexual LIs because it's for "equality" (it may seem like I'm about to get offensive but bear with me on this).

Actually you are not entitled to anything. No one is entitled to anything, but it seems that the majority (the ones who make straight romances and straight things in the media, if I'm saying this right) are making the rules, and no one can deny this. Am I saying that you should just give in? No, you shouldn't, but just changing everything that already is. Some of say that you want equality. If I were to go by what you were saying when it comes to that, to me it comes off like we should do this to everything, using these examples:

Star Wars
Everybody was straight, right?
Instead, let's make Luke a gay lover with Han Solo, to make it gay friendly.

The Godfather movies
Everybody was straight, right?
Instead, let's make Michael Corleone a bisexual who is married with a woman, but has a gay lover.

If you ask me, that would mess with those movies a whole LOT. And how is that fair to those that grew up on those things just to have them changed just because you felt it was "homophobic" or not "gay friendly?" I don't think that's fair at all.

Also, I want to say that I don't feel that ME should be changed just to fit a minority. I do feel that a new game could be made (with new characters, new story and such) that could have bi or gay romances. I'm not against s/s romances, I'm just against changing characters.

What I said here might be a little confusing because i admit I'm not the best at saying stuff like this, so if you don't get what I'm saying, ask me what parts you don't get and I will try to explain myself.

Well, the problem with your example is that movies are fixed pieces of art.  Everyone watches the same movie.  Different people may take something different away from it, but ultimately they are presented with the same material.  This is not true with games like Mass Effect and Dragon Age, where your choices strongly influence what content you are able to see.

[Saeran]

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

Tarek wrote...

interactive games =/= movies

Here's a game that is interactive:

GTA 4
Niko Bellic is straight.
Instead let's make him in love with Florian.

Yes, he is, but then you don't choose his background, what area of weapons he has particular expertise in, the way his features look or how he speaks to people.

[Ninja Mage]

I would love for kaiden to ''serve under me'' in Mass effect 3...

And shepard is not predefined. He is a character you create. If he was predefined FemShep would not matter and the only canon Shepard is straight.

[Pwener2313]

People need to get it through they're thick skulls that in ME, you define Shepard. BW is the one who takes care of everything else. Your choices define you, but they don't make up who you really are. Up to this point, Shepard has been straight (both genders) and the Femshep x Liara romance is just a spoof that nobodyy at this point knows how to explain, not even BW themselves. Is Liara a chick or monogendered? Nobody freaking knows. Femshep x Kelly romance? I don't even think calling it a romance even counts.

Point is, making Shepard gay/lesbian in ME3 when he/she hasn't been in ME1 or ME2 is just absurd. Maybe a spinoff with a new character can have it, but not Shepard. If you disagree with me, then your just an ignorant fool.

[Cootie]

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

Alright, I've come up with something that I want to say. I will try not to be offensive.

It seems that along with some of the things being said here, some of you think that you are "entitled" to having bisexual LIs because it's for "equality" (it may seem like I'm about to get offensive but bear with me on this).

Actually you are not entitled to anything. No one is entitled to anything, but it seems that the majority (the ones who make straight romances and straight things in the media, if I'm saying this right) are making the rules, and no one can deny this. Am I saying that you should just give in? No, you shouldn't, but just changing everything that already is. Some of say that you want equality. If I were to go by what you were saying when it comes to that, to me it comes off like we should do this to everything, using these examples:

Star Wars
Everybody was straight, right?
Instead, let's make Luke a gay lover with Han Solo, to make it gay friendly.

The Godfather movies
Everybody was straight, right?
Instead, let's make Michael Corleone a bisexual who is married with a woman, but has a gay lover.

If you ask me, that would mess with those movies a whole LOT. And how is that fair to those that grew up on those things just to have them changed just because you felt it was "homophobic" or not "gay friendly?" I don't think that's fair at all.

Also, I want to say that I don't feel that ME should be changed just to fit a minority. I do feel that a new game could be made (with new characters, new story and such) that could have bi or gay romances. I'm not against s/s romances, I'm just against changing characters.

What I said here might be a little confusing because i admit I'm not the best at saying stuff like this, so if you don't get what I'm saying, ask me what parts you don't get and I will try to explain myself.

Let's make Shepard into a douchebag.
Let's turn Shepard into a woman.
Let's make Shepard fall in love with an alien.
Let's make Shepard fall in love with a human.
Let's make this Shepard gay.
Let's make Shepard into a racist.
Let's remove Shepard's scar and give her a facelift.

Ooooor wait.

Let's turn Shepard into a man.
Let's make Shepard into a charismatic good guy.
Let's make Shepard straight.
Let's make Shepard NOT push that guy in that one scene.
Let's make Shepard lose his scar and give him a beard.

See the difference?
Options. Choices. We have them. Give us moar?

[coolair74]

Tarek wrote...

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

Alright, I've come up with something that I want to say. I will try not to be offensive.

It seems that along with some of the things being said here, some of you think that you are "entitled" to having bisexual LIs because it's for "equality" (it may seem like I'm about to get offensive but bear with me on this).

Actually you are not entitled to anything. No one is entitled to anything, but it seems that the majority (the ones who make straight romances and straight things in the media, if I'm saying this right) are making the rules, and no one can deny this. Am I saying that you should just give in? No, you shouldn't, but just changing everything that already is. Some of say that you want equality. If I were to go by what you were saying when it comes to that, to me it comes off like we should do this to everything, using these examples:

Star Wars
Everybody was straight, right?
Instead, let's make Luke a gay lover with Han Solo, to make it gay friendly.

The Godfather movies
Everybody was straight, right?
Instead, let's make Michael Corleone a bisexual who is married with a woman, but has a gay lover.

If you ask me, that would mess with those movies a whole LOT. And how is that fair to those that grew up on those things just to have them changed just because you felt it was "homophobic" or not "gay friendly?" I don't think that's fair at all.

Also, I want to say that I don't feel that ME should be changed just to fit a minority. I do feel that a new game could be made (with new characters, new story and such) that could have bi or gay romances. I'm not against s/s romances, I'm just against changing characters.

What I said here might be a little confusing because i admit I'm not the best at saying stuff like this, so if you don't get what I'm saying, ask me what parts you don't get and I will try to explain myself.

interactive games =/= movies

Mass Effect was described as a 3rd person narrative.  What is a movie?  A 3rd person narrative. 

Mass Effect is an interactive movie,  it has predefined characters and a pre defined script that is Non-linear.

We have argued this before, you have been given a character , either accept or dont accept.

[Pwener2313]

@Cootie: Tha's not how it works. This topic is much more complicated then that. It's not black 'n' white like most people see it.

[android654]

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

Tarek wrote...

interactive games =/= movies

Here's a game that is interactive:

GTA 4
Niko Bellic is straight.
Instead let's make him in love with Florian.

you can get male dates from the online date site in GTA IV. Also, Nico's past and personality is set in stone. its 3rd person action, not wrpg. The point of wrpgs are that the player can wrtie part of the character as they're playing.

Also, forgot that Fem Shepard and Ashley were also originally written into the game as possible LI.

Modifié par android654, 24 mars 2011 - 07:57 .

[Cootie]

coolair74 wrote...

Mass Effect was described as a 3rd person narrative.  What is a movie?  A 3rd person narrative. 

Mass Effect is an interactive movie,  it has predefined characters and a pre defined script that is Non-linear.

We have argued this before, you have been given a character , either accept or dont accept.

From now on, you are only allowed to romance Ashley, and you're a Paragon. Forever.
And don't you dare replay the game and explore other avenues. That'd make you a hypocrite.

[TheMarshal]

coolair74 wrote...

Tarek wrote...

interactive games =/= movies

Mass Effect was described as a 3rd person narrative.  What is a movie?  A 3rd person narrative. 

Mass Effect is an interactive movie,  it has predefined characters and a pre defined script that is Non-linear.

We have argued this before, you have been given a character , either accept or dont accept.

Which character are you talking about?  'Cause I can assure you that your Shepard and my Shepard are not the same.

[Pwener2313]

People will believe whatever serves they're point. Trying to make people understand that Shepard won't be gay is as hard as convincing that Cerberus is full of saints (it' not, just an example).

There is a reason they scraped the m/m and f/f romances. BW does not want that stuff in they're game. Although Femshep can "romance" Kelly, it may be because Femshep is not widely know outside of the fanbase so they could get away with a little sin here and there with her character.

Modifié par Pwener2313, 24 mars 2011 - 07:59 .

[Ninja Mage]

coolair74 wrote...

Mass Effect was described as a 3rd person narrative.  What is a movie?  A 3rd person narrative. 

Mass Effect is an interactive movie,  it has predefined characters and a pre defined script that is Non-linear.

We have argued this before, you have been given a character , either accept or dont accept.

False, it has a set script, but the main protagonist, Shepard,is defined how the player wants him to be. Shepard can be a man or a woman. That inherently makes it a non pre-defined character. Was Luke a Girl?? Was Leia a guy?? No, but you get to choose in Mass Effect. Similarly I get to choose if my now male Leia gets to sleep with a man or a woman (just as an example). Star Wars and Mass Effect are not the same anyway, so comparing them to argue to not have same sex romance is kind of silly.