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[Soirreb]

I, too, support this thread.

[sw33ts]

Thank you both for your support.



On a side note, the tali in your userbar looks like Afghan girl...if Afghan girl went to space. Also can we please not talk about the smell of Tali outside her suit...arghr39uowe3rog2

[Soirreb]

sw33ts wrote...

Thank you both for your support.

On a side note, the tali in your userbar looks like Afghan girl...if Afghan girl went to space. Also can we please not talk about the smell of Tali outside her suit...arghr39uowe3rog2

You are quite welcome!  I believe I found the Tali-bar somewhere on the Bioware forums and shamelessly copied to my own signature, and I think I downloaded the full-size picture from the forums as well, but I don't recall from where exactly I got the picture.

Speaking of Afghan Girl, I do admit the haunting eyes effect is quite similar.... 

Anyway, as to the title of this post, here's something I'd love to see in ME3 (besides a more comprehensive list of paramour options, including bisexual characters of both genders):

Perhaps one of the squadmates in ME3 might be a young Asari (other than Liara), fresh out of Commando training, eager to prove herself on the battlefield.  She's excited to be serving with Shepard, though mostly on a professional level; after her loyalty mission, Shepard sees a more personal side of the Asari, and then the romance subplot is enabled; however, differences based on Shep's gender would appear if it's pursued.  If M-Shep tries to pursue her, maybe she remains oblivious for a bit until catching on and rejects him then and there; she says that even if she was looking for something romantic, she'd rather have something closer to home.  If Fem-Shep pursues her, however, she responds more favorably, then is surprised at herself at how much she's looking forward to the inevitable consummation, considering this would be her first encounter outside her species.

The above could be done for a male Shepard, too, except instead of an Asari it could be a human male, or even another Drell or something.  Instead of the 'closer to home' line, maybe the rejection line could be 'sorry, but I'm looking for more mass to engage my drive.'

[Inquisitor Recon]

Just reminding people that this topic is really gay, and if your found in here you can't be part of my super-cool badass club.

[LiquidGrape]

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Modifié par LiquidGrape, 18 juillet 2010 - 12:45 .

[Syledir]

Boombox wrote...

Anyway, would people prefer new characters for s/s love interests or existing characters for ME3?
For me, I don't really want any new characters. But I think it probably would work better to introduce s/s romances like that.

I don't think that players who prefer straight romances would really care. Almost everyone who complained about same sex romance in this thread or the last one, has played Dragon Age aswell, and enjoyed it enough to register it on his/her profile. As long as a NPC isn't turned homosexuall, there won't be a problem.

A few people said that changing the sexual orientation of an already established character would damage contuinity. I'd like to refer to another game: Saints Row 2. I know, not really RPG material, but still. During the first game the hero was male. During the second game you could choose which gender the hero has. There were a few funny scenes when NPCs from the first game meet the hero again in the second game and asked: "You look different. Did you do something with your hair?" Not only the gender changed, but also the sexual orientation. The female hero was clearly attracted to other women.
The point is, nobody seemed to care because, surprise, they were able to continue to play as a male hero with no strings attached.

I believe players who prefer s/s romances simply don't want to be left out. Even in Dragon Age players who prefer straight romances were favoured. As a straight Warden you could always choose between two NPCs either Morrigan and Leliane or Zevran and Alistair. A homosexuall Warden couldn't choose. They always had to pick either Leliana or Zevran out of lack of options. Same in Mass Effect 1. You're femshep is a lesbian and falls in love with Ashley? Too bad, only Liara is available.

If you ask people now which NPC they prefer the most, you will hear every name at least once. Meaning in order to please everyone every romanceable NPC should be "available" for both male and femshep. Romance doesn't necessarily mean sex. I would have been happy with a romance between femshep and Tali while the linking of biosuits would have been their intimate moment. Or the complete opposite femshep and Morinth. They could have sex if they so desired but never be able to join their minds.

[Boombox]

Syledir wrote...

If you ask people now which NPC they prefer the most, you will hear every name at least once. Meaning in order to please everyone every romanceable NPC should be "available" for both male and femshep.

I agree with pretty much everything you said except this bit.. Characters still need to have their personality and not everyone in the world is bi or attracted to the same sex. I think it'll be completely unrealistic and quite silly to make everyone an option..
In my opinion Dragon Age did this very well. I think most people would prefer a s/s romance with Alistair not Zevran, but Zevran's character expresses interest and Alistair doesn't- for me, even if he's not the better option, that's more realistic and a better representation of someone being gay/bi in the world.

I would be happy for some of the previous characters to be open to s/s romances.. (Kaidan, Thane, Tali, Miranda) but I wouldn't support all of them.

This is all just my opinion of course and I appreciate your perspective on this. I agree with you, it's very hard to please everyone...

[Bookman230]

ReconTeam wrote...

Just reminding people that this topic is really gay, and if your found in here you can't be part of my super-cool badass club.

So unless they share your opinion, they are not allowed to join? Isn't that going a bit far? Not to mention discrimination if you won't allow homosexuals or lesbians into it.

But, hey, your club. I'm sorry, my last comment was rude. I should say then, it's not my kind of club, but others may appreciate it. But I think being more open armed would improve your membership. But again, your club, run it the way you want, I'll do the same with mine.

Anyway, I agree, Boombox. We're not asking for every person to be bi. Just the cut ones at least(I'd like Jack to be bi, as her past doesn't make sense if she's not "into the girls club) which would be Ashley,  Kaidan, Tali, and Thane. That way, there's plenty of choices.

Modifié par Bookman230, 30 juin 2010 - 03:29 .

[Wittand25]

Not every (romanceable) Npc needs to be bisexual, just like not every Npc needs to be romancable. In all Bioware games many players wanted a romance with non romanceable Npc´s like Wynne,Samara or Zu. But there are alternatives as romance options for those so that even if you cant have your prefared LI you can have another (wo-)man. The same should apply to s/s romance, so that even if your favourite Npc as s/s LI is not available for s/s you should have at least another Npc as option.

In DA very few players complained that Alistair and Morrigan prefarred the opposite sex for romance and only became friendly with a warden of the same sex. Ofcourse this is also partly because even if they did not want sex with the warden you could still have a meaningful friendship with them and they did not simply stop talking to the player about halfway through the game like the unromanced LIs in ME2 do.

[Bookman230]

Mesina2 wrote...

Man on man action makes me .

We're not making it required. You can avoid it entirely with some of our suggestions, like setting up your crush or sexuality at the beginning.

[Christmas Ape]

Bookman230 wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

Man on man action makes me .

We're not making it required. You can avoid it entirely with some of our suggestions, like setting up your crush or sexuality at the beginning.

It's best not to engage with any posters who don't have an actual argument. Just drags the thread off-kilter.

[ElitePinecone]

Wittand25 wrote...

Not every (romanceable) Npc needs to be bisexual, just like not every Npc needs to be romancable. In all Bioware games many players wanted a romance with non romanceable Npc´s like Wynne,Samara or Zu. But there are alternatives as romance options for those so that even if you cant have your prefared LI you can have another (wo-)man. The same should apply to s/s romance, so that even if your favourite Npc as s/s LI is not available for s/s you should have at least another Npc as option.

You make a very good point - the problem being that at the moment there are no alternatives for s/s romances. Of course it would be unrealistic to open up all squadmates to romance, same-sex or otherwise. I agree that having a fortuitously bisexual squad, even in 2185, would be somewhat silly. But throw us a (metaphorical and literal) bone, and implement one or two s/s options to complement the myriad of romance options that heterosexual, or even xenosexual (I'm looking at you, Garrus and Tali and Liara and Thane!) already have. 

[elearon1]

>>But, hey, your club. Just means I'll make sure to avoid it.<<



I'm almost certain that was meant as a joke. Part of preventing this thread from devolving into a flame war is people holding on to their sense of humor.



And I agree, not every character in the game should be bi - nor should every s/s romanceable character be bi. There are just hetero and ****** sexuals in the real world. (Making npcs bi, though, might be safer marketing wise for Bioware - in which case I support that decision)

[Hell Mutant]

Support!

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[zvbxrpl]

elearon1 wrote...
And I agree, not every character in the game should be bi - nor should every s/s romanceable character be bi. There are just hetero and ****** sexuals in the real world. (Making npcs bi, though, might be safer marketing wise for Bioware - in which case I support that decision)

See, I'm not sure about making some LIs only availible to the same sex.  I understand that it would be even-handed.  If gay MSheps just don't get to romance Garrus, then there's something appealing about saying, "Well, on the flipside, straight MSheps just don't get to romance, oh, let's say Tali (Yes, I picked her just for the schadenfreude). 

On the other hand, the fan backlash would be, well, kinda nasty.  Can you imagine all the 14 year olds swarming to crap all over the boards with their whining and moaning that NPC XYZ must want their Sheploo's magic schlong, because it's just 'realistic that way'?  My sentiment would be "Pff.  Screw 'em,'  but I'm not sure it would be sound business sense for a video game company to alienate immature teenage boys.  Why, yes, I am somewhat cynical about gamerdom.  Why do you ask?

[Wiggs Magee]

Im sorry . i just dont really understand the point of this group.. Yeah i can see you want homosexual relationships in ME which i dont really see a point in now im not Homophobic but aint it just about knowing a LI character if you want to find out Jacob's more just make a Female , Jacks a male. I dont see why you should need to bring in same sex LI's just seems pointless

[Wittand25]

Wiggs Magee wrote...

Im sorry . i just dont really understand the point of this group.. Yeah i can see you want homosexual relationships in ME which i dont really see a point in now im not Homophobic but aint it just about knowing a LI character if you want to find out Jacob's more just make a Female , Jacks a male. I dont see why you should need to bring in same sex LI's just seems pointless

The point of this group is that for various reasons many players want to be able to play a (male) Shepard who is attracted to someone of the same gender. I wrote male because in both games a female Shepard can express interest in a female (in ME2 you dont get the achievment for it but you still could do it).
Just saying if you want to romance a male play a female Shepard is not a solution for this.
Showing that a demand for s/s romances exists and that such content would be well recieved is the only way that such content will be done (it did work for Tali and Garrus afterall)

[Siansonea]

Wiggs Magee wrote...

Im sorry . i just dont really understand the point of this group.. Yeah i can see you want homosexual relationships in ME which i dont really see a point in now im not Homophobic but aint it just about knowing a LI character if you want to find out Jacob's more just make a Female , Jacks a male. I dont see why you should need to bring in same sex LI's just seems pointless

I think you do not understand homosexuality very well. The issue is larger than romancing this or that character. It's about your Shepard's identity, who he or she is. Only then is it about who Shepard would be romantically interested in. A same-sex relationship for Shepard would have a new dynamic, another option for creating a custom character. People should have more options. More options are always better.

I play characters of both genders, and it would be fun for me to have one of each gender who could explore same-sex relationships, since I conceptualized those Shepards as bisexual from the beginning of ME1. It doesn't matter as much which LI those characters romance, since so far they've stuck to opposite-sex or asari partners due to the game's limitations.

[MaxQuartiroli]

Nice thread people... I support you immediately !

[Syledir]

I have to say I am a little confused. Let's say you are a soldier who has to serve on a vessel with a crew of, let's say fifty. You discover that six of them are single and none of them is interested in homosexuall relationships. Would that be unrealistic? I don't think so.



Now people ask for romanceable NPCs for the same sex. Not because of realism, but because it's a game everyone should be able to pursue a romance with a NPC. It was possible in Dragon Age and Jade Empire after all. But now people have to decide which NPC should be available for same sex relationships. The best solution would be one heterosexuall, one bisexuall and one homosexuall love interest for both femshep and maleshep. But I agree with zvbxrpl here. Let's say Tali would be the homosexuall NPC, I don't want to be caught in the ****storm all the kiddies would unleash on us. The next best solution would be to make every NPC romanceable for either femshep or maleshep. That way noone could complain about unfair untreatment or why it had to be his/her favourite NPC that wasn't romanceable. Now people start to ask for more realism?



I've read it very often in the last thread that people didn't want Tali to be a lesbian or whatever. The point is that Shepard has to take the first step for a romantic relationship, so Tali would never show any homosexuall tendencies unless Shepard is A female and B the player chooses it. So, if you don't want it, don't do it.



So you can't demand realism on one hand and disregard it on the other.

[Wittand25]

Syledir wrote...
Now people ask for romanceable NPCs for the same sex. Not because of realism, but because it's a game everyone should be able to pursue a romance with a NPC. It was possible in Dragon Age and Jade Empire after all. But now people have to decide which NPC should be available for same sex relationships. The best solution would be one heterosexuall, one bisexuall and one homosexuall love interest for both femshep and maleshep. But I agree with zvbxrpl here. Let's say Tali would be the homosexuall NPC, I don't want to be caught in the ****storm all the kiddies would unleash on us. The next best solution would be to make every NPC romanceable for either femshep or maleshep. That way noone could complain about unfair untreatment or why it had to be his/her favourite NPC that wasn't romanceable. Now people start to ask for more realism?

So you can't demand realism on one hand and disregard it on the other.

A really homosexual fully developed LI would be total new ground for Bioware because either LI open for the same sex were either bisexual or not fully developed as LI.I can understand that because such an LI would be impractical for the sole reason of resources because with the little extra work of making them bisexual you expand the target audience significally. The same is not true for a straight character. Turning a straight character bisexual increases the intrest in that LI only by a small amount and is hardly worth using extra resources for.  With the added fact that the number of LIs is a dimishing return, meaning that two possible LIs (for the same PC) is a lot better than one but five options is hardly better than four, having most of the LI straight with some bisexuals for those wanting to play a homosexual main character is the most prudent thing to do.

And we are talking about a computer RPG with aliens and faster than light travel here, I dont think argumenting with realism is even an option.

[Alchemist02]

Wittand25 wrote...And we are talking about a computer RPG with aliens and faster than light travel here, I dont think argumenting with realism is even an option.

Altho the aliens are up to the imagination (As nobody has any clue how an actual alien would look like) 


FTL however is not entirely fiction. 


http://en.wikipedia....lcubierre_drive

Oh and inbefore i get accused of anything

/No support, I do not support any Homosexual or otherwise ''gay'' romances.  

Modifié par BrotherShepherd, 29 juin 2010 - 08:20 .

[MaxQuartiroli]

Wittand25 wrote...

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A really homosexual fully developed LI would be total new ground for Bioware because either LI open for the same sex were either bisexual or not fully developed as LI.

and yet.. the ice was already broken with Juhani
It's a pity they still haven't moved from that lame attempt...

[spacehamsterZH]

Wiggs Magee wrote...
I dont see why you should need to bring in same sex LI's just seems pointless

You could say the same thing about the heterosexual LIs. The point is that it's an RPG, and people want to be given as much freedom as possible in creating their character. Let's not forget that it's only male on male homosexuality that's not possible, Femshep can shnork Liara in ME1 and Kelly in ME2, and while we can argue for 10 pages on whether Asari can be considered female, there's not much room for debate with Kelly. So in the spirit of this being an RPG where you create your character, and Bioware generally being known to listen to their fans, it makes perfect sense that a thread exists where fans make it known that this is something they'd like to be able to do with their character. I really don't see what's hard to understand about that.