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[Ninja Mage]

And Asari are women. They have physical and emotional female characteristics. so even if the Asari couldn't give birth, it would still be a lesbian romance.

[coolair74]

oops...

Modifié par coolair74, 24 mars 2011 - 08:07 .

[coolair74]

Ninja Mage wrote...


I would love for kaiden to ''serve under me'' in Mass effect 3...

And shepard is not predefined. He is a character you create. If he was predefined FemShep would not matter and the only canon Shepard is straight.

Um no , Bioware created and lent him to you. There was another thread that this was all discussed and no amount of proof is gonna change your mind so meh, want some cake?

Ninja Mage wrote...

And Asari are women. They have physical and emotional female characteristics. so even if the Asari couldn't give birth, it would still be a lesbian romance.

Bioware disagrees.

Modifié par coolair74, 24 mars 2011 - 08:07 .

[Cootie]

Pwener2313 wrote...

People will believe whatever serves they're point. Trying to make people understand that Shepard won't be gay is as hard as convincing that Cerberus is full of saints (it' not, just an example).

I'm sorry, but that's enforcing your own opinions and viewson my Shepard. My Shepard's most definitely lesbian, and she was quite flirty with Kelly, as well, even though that was just a few sparks and no firework.

Personally, I don't see how the extra choice can be so terribly bad.
It's not like your Shepard's suddenly developing a mid-life sexuality crisis by default. I mean, it could happen, if you RP your Shepard that way. What a lot of people seem to be so befuddled about is the fact that
your Shepard doesn't equal to every Shepard, and whatever happens to my Shepard doesn't affect yours. If the option opens up for my maleShep to romance a man, I'd probably be able to finish the game with him for
once. That, according to the wishes in our OP, wouldn't somehow conflict with your playthroughs.

I just want the option. That's all it is, an option you can opt out of. You can ignore its existance, never stumble upon it, et cetera. If things go badly, you could just decline any sort of "confrontation". Big whoop.

Modifié par Cootie, 24 mars 2011 - 08:09 .

[Pwener2313]

Ninja Mage wrote...

And Asari are women. They have physical and emotional female characteristics. so even if the Asari couldn't give birth, it would still be a lesbian romance.

They became women when they met the other races and were stereotyped as women. Originally, they were likely neutral as there was no opposite sex. Im studying exactly this in my psychology class and have a presentation to make on this very topic. The only reason women act on they're  emotions is because they have been thaught that they are responsible for others since girls and with every problem that arrives, they blame themselves (most, Im talking about most).

[android654]

coolair74 wrote...

Ninja Mage wrote...


I would love for kaiden to ''serve under me'' in Mass effect 3...

And shepard is not predefined. He is a character you create. If he was predefined FemShep would not matter and the only canon Shepard is straight.

Um no , Bioware created and lent him to you. There was another thread that this was all discussed and no amount of proof is gonna change your mind so meh, want some cake?

There's proof in the actual gameplay footage of them making out, and Kaidan having hands pressed into his back.

The truth is they essentially did in ME1 what they did in DA2, and for some reason got worried and restricted it. But the original intent was for you to decide on that portion hgowever you wanted.

Modifié par android654, 24 mars 2011 - 08:10 .

[Demonhoopa]

Valcutio wrote...

Anders was probably one of the most disturbing changes for me going into DA2. He was a straight character that the devs decided to change and in doing so, ended up destroying the lore. Introducing a bi or gay character is one thing but changing an existing straight character is destructive of any immersion the story presents. Continuity is crucial for there to be any connection to characters.

And I just want to bring up the fact that despite the appearance of Asari - the fact that they can have intercourse and reproduce with human females means that there is nothing gay about it. There are very feminine looking men in the world but if a woman has sex with one it doesn't mean she's gay.

Isabella is the only written Bi character in the game. The other romance options are "Hawke Sexuals".

Which gives the player more freedom with what he wants to do with his character. Also adds even more replayablility for those that are interested. For those that aren't just don't play that option.

Anders is heterosexual in all my playthroughs because I don't play the romance path with him with a male character. So the precious "lore" is in tact if I choose for it to be.

Winning.

[graciegrace]

coolair74 wrote...

Ninja Mage wrote...

And Asari are women. They have physical and emotional female characteristics. so even if the Asari couldn't give birth, it would still be a lesbian romance.

Bioware disagrees.

Simple logic indicates Bioware disagrees simply because they don't want the scandal of coming out and saying they're women, despite everything in the writing of the game basically saying otherwise. 

[Pwener2313]

Cootie wrote...

Pwener2313 wrote...

People will believe whatever serves
they're point. Trying to make people understand that Shepard won't be
gay is as hard as convincing that Cerberus is full of saints (it' not,
just an example).

I'm sorry, but that's enforcing your own opinions and views
on my Shepard. My Shepard's most definitely lesbian, and she was quite
flirty with Kelly, as well, even though that was just a few sparks and no
firework.

Personally, I don't see how the extra choice can be so terribly bad.
It's not like your Shepard's suddenly developing a mid-life sexuality
crisis by default. I mean, it could happen, if you RP your Shepard that
way. What a lot of people seem to be so befuddled about is the fact that
your Shepard doesn't equal to every Shepard, and whatever happens to my
Shepard doesn't affect yours. If the option opens up for my maleShep to
romance a man, I'd probably be able to finish the game with him for
once. That, according to the wishes in our OP, wouldn't somehow conflict
with your playthroughs.

I just want the option. That's all it is, an
option you can opt out of. You can ignore its existance, never stumble
upon it, et cetera. If things go badly, you could just decline any sort
of "confrontation". Big whoop.

Your talking about seeing things defferently in your *own* mind, and I agree, I do the same with most games, but in reality, BW chooses Shepard's path. They have chosen for Shepard to be canonically straight. That is why there won't be a m/m for *Maleshep* in ME3. Sorry, I'd like for the gay community to be happy, but it won't be so.

[Whatever42]

RE: Asari being female.

Ok, lets skip past some of the semantics here. Lets say that Asari are not female but merely look, act, and feel like females. Would a completly heterosexual Shepard be attracted to someone who looked, acted and felt like a female? Or are we simply attracted to the label and not the actual sex?

[Cootie]

Pwener2313 wrote...

Ninja Mage wrote...

And Asari are women. They have physical and emotional female characteristics. so even if the Asari couldn't give birth, it would still be a lesbian romance.

They became women when they met the other races and were stereotyped as women. Originally, they were likely neutral as there was no opposite sex. Im studying exactly this in my psychology class and have a presentation to make on this very topic. The only reason women act on they're  emotions is because they have been thaught that they are responsible for others since girls and with every problem that arrives, they blame themselves (most, Im talking about most).

So, all that explains how Asari are not necessarily homosexual. But how does that alter my FemShep's sexuality when she's obviously attracted to someone who looks and sounds very much like a lay-day?

[Pwener2313]

graciegrace wrote...

coolair74 wrote...

Ninja Mage wrote...

And Asari are women. They have physical and emotional female characteristics. so even if the Asari couldn't give birth, it would still be a lesbian romance.

Bioware disagrees.

Simple logic indicates Bioware disagrees simply because they don't want the scandal of coming out and saying they're women, despite everything in the writing of the game basically saying otherwise. 

This is why. They are portrayed as women but they are not. Looking like a women makes you act like one, just look at transexuallism. They start thinking like one just because they look like one (some of them look female anyway).

"They became women when they met the other races and were stereotyped as women. Originally, they were likely neutral as there was no opposite sex. Im studying exactly this in my psychology class and have a presentation to make on this very topic. The only reason women act on they're  emotions is because they have been thaught that they are responsible for others since girls and with every problem that arrives, they blame themselves (most, Im talking about most)."

[Demonhoopa]

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

RE: Asari being female.

Ok, lets skip past some of the semantics here. Lets say that Asari are not female but merely look, act, and feel like females. Would a completly heterosexual Shepard be attracted to someone who looked, acted and felt like a female? Or are we simply attracted to the label and not the actual sex?

Considering Asari are a different SPECIES, I find it funny that the sexuality is even a discussion let alone the main sticking point. Yet Fem shep getting it on with a lizard like Garrus is a non discussion. 

America f*** yeah! 

Modifié par Demonhoopa, 24 mars 2011 - 08:18 .

[Pwener2313]

Cootie wrote...

Pwener2313 wrote...

Ninja Mage wrote...

And Asari are women. They have physical and emotional female characteristics. so even if the Asari couldn't give birth, it would still be a lesbian romance.

They became women when they met the other races and were stereotyped as women. Originally, they were likely neutral as there was no opposite sex. Im studying exactly this in my psychology class and have a presentation to make on this very topic. The only reason women act on they're  emotions is because they have been thaught that they are responsible for others since girls and with every problem that arrives, they blame themselves (most, Im talking about most).

So, all that explains how Asari are not necessarily homosexual. But how does that alter my FemShep's sexuality when she's obviously attracted to someone who looks and sounds very much like a lay-day?

Women are taught to be women in childhood. You are the mind, the only thing different is the body. Same with Asari. they took the role of women when they saw that aliens treated the like they were when they are biologically not female. It is society that teaches you how to act based on how you look. Im studying this right now, from a female psychologyst even.

Modifié par Pwener2313, 24 mars 2011 - 08:19 .

[coolair74]

android654 wrote...

coolair74 wrote...

Ninja Mage wrote...


I would love for kaiden to ''serve under me'' in Mass effect 3...

And shepard is not predefined. He is a character you create. If he was predefined FemShep would not matter and the only canon Shepard is straight.

Um no , Bioware created and lent him to you. There was another thread that this was all discussed and no amount of proof is gonna change your mind so meh, want some cake?

There's proof in the actual gameplay footage of them making out, and Kaidan having hands pressed into his back.

The truth is they essentially did in ME1 what they did in DA2, and for some reason got worried and restricted it. But the original intent was for you to decide on that portion hgowever you wanted.

Yeah i have seen those clips and they were produced " Just in case " the higher ups wanted to persue that route.

[Tarek]

Saeran wrote...

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

Tarek wrote...

interactive games =/= movies

Here's a game that is interactive:

GTA 4
Niko Bellic is straight.
Instead let's make him in love with Florian.

Yes, he is, but then you don't choose his background, what area of weapons he has particular expertise in, the way his features look or how he speaks to people.

ty exactly

[Pwener2313]

Demonhoopa wrote...

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

RE: Asari being female.

Ok, lets skip past some of the semantics here. Lets say that Asari are not female but merely look, act, and feel like females. Would a completly heterosexual Shepard be attracted to someone who looked, acted and felt like a female? Or are we simply attracted to the label and not the actual sex?

Considering Asari are a different SPECIES, I find it funny that the sexuality is even a discussion let alone the main sticking point. Yet Fem shep getting it on with a lizard like Garrus is a non discussion.

LOL. America f*** yeah! 

Men (heterosexual) have been deceived by transexual males into sex in random bar pickups for years. If it looks like a girl, speaks like a girl, smells like a girl and sounds like a girl, how will your mind react to this person?

See what I mean.

[Cootie]

Demonhoopa wrote...

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

RE: Asari being female.

Ok, lets skip past some of the semantics here. Lets say that Asari are not female but merely look, act, and feel like females. Would a completly heterosexual Shepard be attracted to someone who looked, acted and felt like a female? Or are we simply attracted to the label and not the actual sex?

Considering Asari are a different SPECIES, I find it funny that the sexuality is even a discussion let alone the main sticking point. Yet Fem shep getting it on with a lizard like Garrus is a non discussion. 

America f*** yeah! 

Oh, gawd, thank you for that. I needed someone to point out the strange, oddly ignored irony of the situation.

Pwener2313 wrote...

Women are taught to be women in
childhood. You are the mind, the only thing different is the body. Same
with Asari. they took the role of women when they saw that aliens
treated the like they were when they are biologically not female. It is
society that teaches you how to act based on how you look. Im studying
this right now, from a female psychologist even.

Except that's not what I was wondering at all, but keep up the good work!

[android654]

Pwener2313 wrote...

Cootie wrote...

Pwener2313 wrote...

Ninja Mage wrote...

And Asari are women. They have physical and emotional female characteristics. so even if the Asari couldn't give birth, it would still be a lesbian romance.

They became women when they met the other races and were stereotyped as women. Originally, they were likely neutral as there was no opposite sex. Im studying exactly this in my psychology class and have a presentation to make on this very topic. The only reason women act on they're  emotions is because they have been thaught that they are responsible for others since girls and with every problem that arrives, they blame themselves (most, Im talking about most).

So, all that explains how Asari are not necessarily homosexual. But how does that alter my FemShep's sexuality when she's obviously attracted to someone who looks and sounds very much like a lay-day?

Women are taught to be women in childhood. You are the mind, the only thing different is the body. Same with Asari. they took the role of women when they saw that aliens treated the like they were when they are biologically not female. It is society that teaches you how to act based on how you look. Im studying this right now, from a female psychologist even.

How can you say that when the only other females we've seen are Humans and quarians. We have no idea how the other races compared them to their women since we have no idea what they look like. For all we know, they're not even comparable.

Demonhoopa wrote...

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

RE: Asari being female.

Ok, lets skip past some of the semantics here. Lets say that Asari are not female but merely look, act, and feel like females. Would a completly heterosexual Shepard be attracted to someone who looked, acted and felt like a female? Or are we simply attracted to the label and not the actual sex?

Considering Asari are a different SPECIES, I find it funny that the sexuality is even a discussion let alone the main sticking point. Yet Fem shep getting it on with a lizard like Garrus is a non discussion.

LOL. America f*** yeah! 

You'd think people who were so conservative about sex would be more uncomfortable with having sex with a non-human beforee they become bothered with two men...

[coolair74]

Cootie wrote...

Pwener2313 wrote...

Ninja Mage wrote...

And Asari are women. They have physical and emotional female characteristics. so even if the Asari couldn't give birth, it would still be a lesbian romance.

They became women when they met the other races and were stereotyped as women. Originally, they were likely neutral as there was no opposite sex. Im studying exactly this in my psychology class and have a presentation to make on this very topic. The only reason women act on they're  emotions is because they have been thaught that they are responsible for others since girls and with every problem that arrives, they blame themselves (most, Im talking about most).

So, all that explains how Asari are not necessarily homosexual. But how does that alter my FemShep's sexuality when she's obviously attracted to someone who looks and sounds very much like a lay-day?

Hypocracy my friend.

[Ramirez Wolfen]

Here's something I said from my thread on why I feel that it would cheapen and make the current romances not unique (some of it is my opinion, but i think that's obvious).


"Also, a reason why I think it will cheapen and make the romances less
unique. It makes Manshep and Femshep EXACTLY THE SAME. What's great
about ME is that you have incentives to play as either gender (as
somebody has stated), and that's the romances (my opinion)

What do I mean by this? Well, look who is available for Manshep exclusively:

Tali, Miranda, Jack, and Ashley.

Who is available for Femshep?

Jacob, Thane, Kaidan, Garrus.

And Liara is for both.

I play as Manshep for Tali and Liara.

I play as Femshep for Garrus and Thane.

Those are the only reasons why I ever pick between genders.

If
they were all bi, it basically destroys the purpose of having two
genders to play as. I might as well just play as Manshep (since he's the
poster Shepard) and not even bother playing as Femshep, because I can
get the same thing with Manshep. There is no longer an incentive, and it
loses it's uniqueness.

That's more or less what I mean."

I know this isn't on the same discussion with the asari, I'm just trying to explain some of my reasons.

[Praetor Knight]

Even Zaeed sees the danger bars present.

[Tarek]

Ninja Mage wrote...


I would love for kaiden to ''serve under me'' in Mass effect 3...

And shepard is not predefined. He is a character you create. If he was predefined FemShep would not matter and the only canon Shepard is straight.

one can dream

[Olwydd]

People seem to forget that gender =/= sex. Gender is a malleable cultural artifact, sex is not. Asari are monogendered - i.e. they have no differentiated gender roles in their society. Asari are also a parthonogenic species, and therefore all female (this cannot be debated, it is fact as described by the codex, corroborated by real-world evidence). Saying that female Shepards who pursues a relationship with a female Asari are not gay or bisexual is preposterous. This is not a matter of gender, it is a matter of attraction to a certain sex; two different things.

Modifié par Olwydd, 24 mars 2011 - 08:25 .

[android654]

coolair74 wrote...

android654 wrote...

coolair74 wrote...

Ninja Mage wrote...


I would love for kaiden to ''serve under me'' in Mass effect 3...

And shepard is not predefined. He is a character you create. If he was predefined FemShep would not matter and the only canon Shepard is straight.

Um no , Bioware created and lent him to you. There was another thread that this was all discussed and no amount of proof is gonna change your mind so meh, want some cake?

There's proof in the actual gameplay footage of them making out, and Kaidan having hands pressed into his back.

The truth is they essentially did in ME1 what they did in DA2, and for some reason got worried and restricted it. But the original intent was for you to decide on that portion hgowever you wanted.

Yeah i have seen those clips and they were produced " Just in case " the higher ups wanted to persue that route.

Bioware's pretty well off that they can throw away money and time developing thisn they're not even sure their team leaders want. High end efficieny going on there. Seeinng as it would take god-knows-how-many hours to write, record, model, remodel, enhance, and do all of the other things they need to do with every peice of the game to all scenes after a mission and the sex scene for 2 extra sequences, wouldn't make more sense to conclude it was stripped, and not just made just because?