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[Pwener2313]

We have nothing to go on about how the races reacted to the asari. Im going on from what we know. But from what we've seen, aliens are a lot like humans, so I go with the human route on how things could have gone about.

[Tarek]

anyway back to topic I support Gay/bi Shepard


and on the asari thing, male Shepard sleeping with asari is also considered "gay" because asari can "FATHER" other asari , deal with that.
hehe

Modifié par Tarek, 24 mars 2011 - 08:27 .

[coolair74]

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

Here's something I said from my thread on why I feel that it would cheapen and make the current romances not unique (some of it is my opinion, but i think that's obvious).


"Also, a reason why I think it will cheapen and make the romances less
unique. It makes Manshep and Femshep EXACTLY THE SAME. What's great
about ME is that you have incentives to play as either gender (as
somebody has stated), and that's the romances (my opinion)

What do I mean by this? Well, look who is available for Manshep exclusively:

Tali, Miranda, Jack, and Ashley.

Who is available for Femshep?

Jacob, Thane, Kaidan, Garrus.

And Liara is for both.

I play as Manshep for Tali and Liara.

I play as Femshep for Garrus and Thane.

Those are the only reasons why I ever pick between genders.

If
they were all bi, it basically destroys the purpose of having two
genders to play as. I might as well just play as Manshep (since he's the
poster Shepard) and not even bother playing as Femshep, because I can
get the same thing with Manshep. There is no longer an incentive, and it
loses it's uniqueness.

That's more or less what I mean."

I know this isn't on the same discussion with the asari, I'm just trying to explain some of my reasons.

^^ this is full of WIN.

And if all of these ppl are Bi, i mean , I dont know but half of my damn crew wants to do me,  IM GOOD!

[android654]

Pwener2313 wrote...

Men (heterosexual) have been deceived by transexual males into sex in random bar pickups for years. If it looks like a girl, speaks like a girl, smells like a girl and sounds like a girl, how will your mind react to this person?

See what I mean.

You are so right...

For too long douchebags have been in sh*tty bars at 2 in the morning looking for questionable ass, and getting less than quality. I agree something should be done about those douchebags.

[Pwener2313]

I really don't care either way. But it's unlikely BW will release ME3 with a homosexual character, let alone a gay full blown romance.

I really don't know why either. It's not the media since Fallout: New Vegas gives you the option to be gay, hetero or bi. Hell, there's a bunch of character who are gey in that game, about 10% or 15%. Must be some other reason. Maybe they just don't want to.

[coolair74]

android654 wrote...

coolair74 wrote...

android654 wrote...

coolair74 wrote...

Ninja Mage wrote...


I would love for kaiden to ''serve under me'' in Mass effect 3...

And shepard is not predefined. He is a character you create. If he was predefined FemShep would not matter and the only canon Shepard is straight.

Um no , Bioware created and lent him to you. There was another thread that this was all discussed and no amount of proof is gonna change your mind so meh, want some cake?

There's proof in the actual gameplay footage of them making out, and Kaidan having hands pressed into his back.

The truth is they essentially did in ME1 what they did in DA2, and for some reason got worried and restricted it. But the original intent was for you to decide on that portion hgowever you wanted.

Yeah i have seen those clips and they were produced " Just in case " the higher ups wanted to persue that route.

Bioware's pretty well off that they can throw away money and time developing thisn they're not even sure their team leaders want. High end efficieny going on there. Seeinng as it would take god-knows-how-many hours to write, record, model, remodel, enhance, and do all of the other things they need to do with every peice of the game to all scenes after a mission and the sex scene for 2 extra sequences, wouldn't make more sense to conclude it was stripped, and not just made just because?

The graphical parts is very easy to do, I can change my maleshep to Miranda with her shirt down.  And very dialogue would be needed, 5 minutes. You seen the clip, Shepard was damn near indenticle to the Ash/Liara scene.  But ill just nod my head and say " yes Dear "

[Pwener2313]

android654 wrote...

Pwener2313 wrote...

Men (heterosexual) have been deceived by transexual males into sex in random bar pickups for years. If it looks like a girl, speaks like a girl, smells like a girl and sounds like a girl, how will your mind react to this person?

See what I mean.

You are so right...

For too long douchebags have been in sh*tty bars at 2 in the morning looking for questionable ass, and getting less than quality. I agree something should be done about those douchebags.

Riiiight.....

[Cootie]

I see how there'd be an issue regarding suspension of belief in ME-2, when everyone wants a piece of the prize as though they were starved killer bees.

With that said, I personally feel like making everyone bisexual adds a lot more replayability and uniqueness and incentive.
Let's do the math here.
Out of seven LIs, six are straight, one is bisexual. Three unique LIs for each gender.
That's eight different combinations.

If they were all bi, that's fourteen.
Now you're free to try anything! It's like a sandbox romantic adventure! If anything, the uniqueness and the limits placed on MaleShep is the reason I find him unbearable to play.

[android654]

coolair74 wrote...

android654 wrote...

coolair74 wrote...

android654 wrote...

coolair74 wrote...

Ninja Mage wrote...


I would love for kaiden to ''serve under me'' in Mass effect 3...

And shepard is not predefined. He is a character you create. If he was predefined FemShep would not matter and the only canon Shepard is straight.

Um no , Bioware created and lent him to you. There was another thread that this was all discussed and no amount of proof is gonna change your mind so meh, want some cake?

There's proof in the actual gameplay footage of them making out, and Kaidan having hands pressed into his back.

The truth is they essentially did in ME1 what they did in DA2, and for some reason got worried and restricted it. But the original intent was for you to decide on that portion hgowever you wanted.

Yeah i have seen those clips and they were produced " Just in case " the higher ups wanted to persue that route.

Bioware's pretty well off that they can throw away money and time developing thisn they're not even sure their team leaders want. High end efficieny going on there. Seeinng as it would take god-knows-how-many hours to write, record, model, remodel, enhance, and do all of the other things they need to do with every peice of the game to all scenes after a mission and the sex scene for 2 extra sequences, wouldn't make more sense to conclude it was stripped, and not just made just because?

The graphical parts is very easy to do, I can change my maleshep to Miranda with her shirt down.  And very dialogue would be needed, 5 minutes. You seen the clip, Shepard was damn near indenticle to the Ash/Liara scene.  But ill just nod my head and say " yes Dear "

Game modding=/= Creating the original content

[Tarek]

android654 wrote...

Pwener2313 wrote...

Men (heterosexual) have been deceived by transexual males into sex in random bar pickups for years. If it looks like a girl, speaks like a girl, smells like a girl and sounds like a girl, how will your mind react to this person?

See what I mean.

You are so right...

For too long douchebags have been in sh*tty bars at 2 in the morning looking for questionable ass, and getting less than quality. I agree something should be done about those douchebags.

@pwener
ahaha lol I can spot a man in a dress from 10k away

what a lame argument in a thread that has nothing to do with it.

fight for love, give us gay/bi shep Bioware pretty plz

[android654]

Cootie wrote...

I see how there'd be an issue regarding suspension of belief in ME-2, when everyone wants a piece of the prize as though they were starved killer bees.

With that said, I personally feel like making everyone bisexual adds a lot more replayability and uniqueness and incentive.
Let's do the math here.
Out of seven LIs, six are straight, one is bisexual. Three unique LIs for each gender.
That's eight different combinations.

If they were all bi, that's fourteen.
Now you're free to try anything! It's like a sandbox romantic adventure! If anything, the uniqueness and the limits placed on MaleShep is the reason I find him unbearable to play.

Very true, and on the note of comparing Male and Female Sheps options, I found the female options to be wooden. Garrus barely speaks, Thane is an emotional vampire and Jacobs is wood in a leather suit. Jack, and tali had way better dialogue regarding the romance options in the game.

[Demonhoopa]

Pwener2313 wrote...

Demonhoopa wrote...

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

RE: Asari being female.

Ok, lets skip past some of the semantics here. Lets say that Asari are not female but merely look, act, and feel like females. Would a completly heterosexual Shepard be attracted to someone who looked, acted and felt like a female? Or are we simply attracted to the label and not the actual sex?

Considering Asari are a different SPECIES, I find it funny that the sexuality is even a discussion let alone the main sticking point. Yet Fem shep getting it on with a lizard like Garrus is a non discussion.

LOL. America f*** yeah! 

Men (heterosexual) have been deceived by transexual males into sex in random bar pickups for years. If it looks like a girl, speaks like a girl, smells like a girl and sounds like a girl, how will your mind react to this person?

See what I mean.

Don't disagree. I just don't care. Again, Femshep can have sex with A LIZARD but the sticking point is sexuality. Pardon me while I resume laughing my ass off. 

[coolair74]

Tarek wrote...

android654 wrote...

Pwener2313 wrote...

Men (heterosexual) have been deceived by transexual males into sex in random bar pickups for years. If it looks like a girl, speaks like a girl, smells like a girl and sounds like a girl, how will your mind react to this person?

See what I mean.

You are so right...

For too long douchebags have been in sh*tty bars at 2 in the morning looking for questionable ass, and getting less than quality. I agree something should be done about those douchebags.

@pwener
ahaha lol I can spot a man in a dress from 10k away

what a lame argument in a thread that has nothing to do with it.

fight for love, give us gay/bi shep Bioware pretty plz

No, End transmission

[Demonhoopa]

android654 wrote...

Pwener2313 wrote...

Cootie wrote...

Pwener2313 wrote...

Ninja Mage wrote...

And Asari are women. They have physical and emotional female characteristics. so even if the Asari couldn't give birth, it would still be a lesbian romance.

They became women when they met the other races and were stereotyped as women. Originally, they were likely neutral as there was no opposite sex. Im studying exactly this in my psychology class and have a presentation to make on this very topic. The only reason women act on they're  emotions is because they have been thaught that they are responsible for others since girls and with every problem that arrives, they blame themselves (most, Im talking about most).

So, all that explains how Asari are not necessarily homosexual. But how does that alter my FemShep's sexuality when she's obviously attracted to someone who looks and sounds very much like a lay-day?

Women are taught to be women in childhood. You are the mind, the only thing different is the body. Same with Asari. they took the role of women when they saw that aliens treated the like they were when they are biologically not female. It is society that teaches you how to act based on how you look. Im studying this right now, from a female psychologist even.

How can you say that when the only other females we've seen are Humans and quarians. We have no idea how the other races compared them to their women since we have no idea what they look like. For all we know, they're not even comparable.

Demonhoopa wrote...

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

RE: Asari being female.

Ok, lets skip past some of the semantics here. Lets say that Asari are not female but merely look, act, and feel like females. Would a completly heterosexual Shepard be attracted to someone who looked, acted and felt like a female? Or are we simply attracted to the label and not the actual sex?

Considering Asari are a different SPECIES, I find it funny that the sexuality is even a discussion let alone the main sticking point. Yet Fem shep getting it on with a lizard like Garrus is a non discussion.

LOL. America f*** yeah! 

You'd think people who were so conservative about sex would be more uncomfortable with having sex with a non-human beforee they become bothered with two men...

That was exactly my point. You just stated it much better/simpler. Cheers

[Whatever42]

Pwener2313 wrote...

Demonhoopa wrote...

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

RE: Asari being female.

Ok, lets skip past some of the semantics here. Lets say that Asari are not female but merely look, act, and feel like females. Would a completly heterosexual Shepard be attracted to someone who looked, acted and felt like a female? Or are we simply attracted to the label and not the actual sex?

Considering Asari are a different SPECIES, I find it funny that the sexuality is even a discussion let alone the main sticking point. Yet Fem shep getting it on with a lizard like Garrus is a non discussion.

LOL. America f*** yeah! 

Men (heterosexual) have been deceived by transexual males into sex in random bar pickups for years. If it looks like a girl, speaks like a girl, smells like a girl and sounds like a girl, how will your mind react to this person?

See what I mean.

So you explained why male Shepard might get all upset if he discovers that some important parts are wrong.
 
But imagine you're a healthy heterosexual man walking down the streen and see someone who looks like a man, talks like a man, walks like a man, had bulges in the right places under his clothing like a man but knew that "his" species was monogendered. Does knowing that his species is monogendered and that officially you wouldn't be gay for shagging him make it so you're now attracted to him?

[Pwener2313]

Tarek wrote...

android654 wrote...

Pwener2313 wrote...

Men (heterosexual) have been deceived by transexual males into sex in random bar pickups for years. If it looks like a girl, speaks like a girl, smells like a girl and sounds like a girl, how will your mind react to this person?

See what I mean.

You are so right...

For too long douchebags have been in sh*tty bars at 2 in the morning looking for questionable ass, and getting less than quality. I agree something should be done about those douchebags.

@pwener
ahaha lol I can spot a man in a dress from 10k away

Are you sure you can tell the difference? Tell me then, is this a men or a women?

[android654]

Demonhoopa wrote...

android654 wrote...

Pwener2313 wrote...

Cootie wrote...

Pwener2313 wrote...

Ninja Mage wrote...

And Asari are women. They have physical and emotional female characteristics. so even if the Asari couldn't give birth, it would still be a lesbian romance.

They became women when they met the other races and were stereotyped as women. Originally, they were likely neutral as there was no opposite sex. Im studying exactly this in my psychology class and have a presentation to make on this very topic. The only reason women act on they're  emotions is because they have been thaught that they are responsible for others since girls and with every problem that arrives, they blame themselves (most, Im talking about most).

So, all that explains how Asari are not necessarily homosexual. But how does that alter my FemShep's sexuality when she's obviously attracted to someone who looks and sounds very much like a lay-day?

Women are taught to be women in childhood. You are the mind, the only thing different is the body. Same with Asari. they took the role of women when they saw that aliens treated the like they were when they are biologically not female. It is society that teaches you how to act based on how you look. Im studying this right now, from a female psychologist even.

How can you say that when the only other females we've seen are Humans and quarians. We have no idea how the other races compared them to their women since we have no idea what they look like. For all we know, they're not even comparable.

Demonhoopa wrote...

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

RE: Asari being female.

Ok, lets skip past some of the semantics here. Lets say that Asari are not female but merely look, act, and feel like females. Would a completly heterosexual Shepard be attracted to someone who looked, acted and felt like a female? Or are we simply attracted to the label and not the actual sex?

Considering Asari are a different SPECIES, I find it funny that the sexuality is even a discussion let alone the main sticking point. Yet Fem shep getting it on with a lizard like Garrus is a non discussion.

LOL. America f*** yeah! 

You'd think people who were so conservative about sex would be more uncomfortable with having sex with a non-human beforee they become bothered with two men...

That was exactly my point. You just stated it much better/simpler. Cheers

Nah, I was just parroting your obvious observation. Its rather logical that one should bother you a lot more than the one that exists in the world we live in.

[Pwener2313]

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

Pwener2313 wrote...

Demonhoopa wrote...

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

RE: Asari being female.

Ok, lets skip past some of the semantics here. Lets say that Asari are not female but merely look, act, and feel like females. Would a completly heterosexual Shepard be attracted to someone who looked, acted and felt like a female? Or are we simply attracted to the label and not the actual sex?

Considering Asari are a different SPECIES, I find it funny that the sexuality is even a discussion let alone the main sticking point. Yet Fem shep getting it on with a lizard like Garrus is a non discussion.

LOL. America f*** yeah! 

Men (heterosexual) have been deceived by transexual males into sex in random bar pickups for years. If it looks like a girl, speaks like a girl, smells like a girl and sounds like a girl, how will your mind react to this person?

See what I mean.

So you explained why male Shepard might get all upset if he discovers that some important parts are wrong.
 
But imagine you're a healthy heterosexual man walking down the streen and see someone who looks like a man, talks like a man, walks like a man, had bulges in the right places under his clothing like a man but knew that "his" species was monogendered. Does knowing that his species is monogendered and that officially you wouldn't be gay for shagging him make it so you're now attracted to him?

I depends on how you are thaught when growing up. Humans are still relatively new to the galaxy so for us Asari are female. If it looks like the sex you like, then yes, there is a high possibility that you will be attracted to that race.

[android654]

Pwener2313 wrote...

Tarek wrote...

android654 wrote...

Pwener2313 wrote...

Men (heterosexual) have been deceived by transexual males into sex in random bar pickups for years. If it looks like a girl, speaks like a girl, smells like a girl and sounds like a girl, how will your mind react to this person?

See what I mean.

You are so right...

For too long douchebags have been in sh*tty bars at 2 in the morning looking for questionable ass, and getting less than quality. I agree something should be done about those douchebags.

@pwener
ahaha lol I can spot a man in a dress from 10k away

Are you sure you can tell the difference? Tell me then, is this a men or a women?

Hmm... don't know for sure. Kind of boyish around the eyes. But, she's not my type so I wouldn't look twice anyway, I'd just keep walking.

[Demonhoopa]

android654 wrote...

Cootie wrote...

I see how there'd be an issue regarding suspension of belief in ME-2, when everyone wants a piece of the prize as though they were starved killer bees.

With that said, I personally feel like making everyone bisexual adds a lot more replayability and uniqueness and incentive.
Let's do the math here.
Out of seven LIs, six are straight, one is bisexual. Three unique LIs for each gender.
That's eight different combinations.

If they were all bi, that's fourteen.
Now you're free to try anything! It's like a sandbox romantic adventure! If anything, the uniqueness and the limits placed on MaleShep is the reason I find him unbearable to play.

Very true, and on the note of comparing Male and Female Sheps options, I found the female options to be wooden. Garrus barely speaks, Thane is an emotional vampire and Jacobs is wood in a leather suit. Jack, and tali had way better dialogue regarding the romance options in the game.

Exactly. Jack and Tali are the only characters that interest me as Male or Female shep. Unfortunately I can't replay the male shep due to voice acting preferences/tolerance. So I play mass effect 2 staying loyal to Kaeden or Liara now.

[Pwener2313]

android654 wrote...

Pwener2313 wrote...

Tarek wrote...

android654 wrote...

Pwener2313 wrote...

Men (heterosexual) have been deceived by transexual males into sex in random bar pickups for years. If it looks like a girl, speaks like a girl, smells like a girl and sounds like a girl, how will your mind react to this person?

See what I mean.

You are so right...

For too long douchebags have been in sh*tty bars at 2 in the morning looking for questionable ass, and getting less than quality. I agree something should be done about those douchebags.

@pwener
ahaha lol I can spot a man in a dress from 10k away

Are you sure you can tell the difference? Tell me then, is this a men or a women?

Hmm... don't know for sure. Kind of boyish around the eyes. But, she's not my type so I wouldn't look twice anyway, I'd just keep walking.

Your suspicious because Im questioning you on the subject, otherwise it would be a women in your eyes. here's the link (don't worry, nothing naughty or sexual, no nudity either, it's a safe and legitimate link).

http://www.lovelyish...t-transsexuals/

[Alamar2078]

jlb524 wrote...
You mean, it doesn't make sense for all LI's to be bi, right?  Because, even in DA2, not everyone was bisexual (Aveline, Carver, Sebastian...).  I'm not even talking about 'choice' or anything here.

Yes this is what I mean.  I am aware in DA2 the options are limited and I'm OK with that as it seems reasonable enough.

I was too....no one is forcing the LIs to be bisexual.  They just are.

In DA2 and in ME2 your are correct.  ALL are not BI.  The ones that are just are and I'm cool with that.

I would say that making a game where all love interests are BI is just as "odd" as making a game where all the love interests are straight.


Note: Either way I'm tiring of the thread.  I suspect nobody is ever going to convince anyone of anything.  While I couldn't prove it I doubt most of the vocal proponents on either side are really willing to consider other viewpoints.

[android654]

Pwener2313 wrote...

android654 wrote...

Pwener2313 wrote...

Tarek wrote...

android654 wrote...

Pwener2313 wrote...

Men (heterosexual) have been deceived by transexual males into sex in random bar pickups for years. If it looks like a girl, speaks like a girl, smells like a girl and sounds like a girl, how will your mind react to this person?

See what I mean.

You are so right...

For too long douchebags have been in sh*tty bars at 2 in the morning looking for questionable ass, and getting less than quality. I agree something should be done about those douchebags.

@pwener
ahaha lol I can spot a man in a dress from 10k away

Are you sure you can tell the difference? Tell me then, is this a men or a women?

Hmm... don't know for sure. Kind of boyish around the eyes. But, she's not my type so I wouldn't look twice anyway, I'd just keep walking.

Your suspicious because Im questioning you on the subject, otherwise it would be a women in your eyes. here's the link (don't worry, nothing naughty or sexual, no nudity either, it's a safe and legitimate link).

http://www.lovelyish...t-transsexuals/

Well thats a sure fire way to win every time. Ask a question, get an answer, you're either right or influenced my answer? I've got to try to fit that into a biology test.

Like I said, doesn't matter if she has a penis, I wouldn't hit on her either way.

Demonhoopa wrote...

android654 wrote...

Cootie wrote...

I see how there'd be an issue regarding suspension of belief in ME-2, when everyone wants a piece of the prize as though they were starved killer bees.

With that said, I personally feel like making everyone bisexual adds a lot more replayability and uniqueness and incentive.
Let's do the math here.
Out of seven LIs, six are straight, one is bisexual. Three unique LIs for each gender.
That's eight different combinations.

If they were all bi, that's fourteen.
Now you're free to try anything! It's like a sandbox romantic adventure! If anything, the uniqueness and the limits placed on MaleShep is the reason I find him unbearable to play.

Very true, and on the note of comparing Male and Female Sheps options, I found the female options to be wooden. Garrus barely speaks, Thane is an emotional vampire and Jacobs is wood in a leather suit. Jack, and tali had way better dialogue regarding the romance options in the game.

Exactly. Jack and Tali are the only characters that interest me as Male or Female shep. Unfortunately I can't replay the male shep due to voice acting preferences/tolerance. So I play mass effect 2 staying loyal to Kaeden or Liara now.

Yeah, I would've loved a way to have femshep and Jack transferable, but doesn't look that way. I suffer through Male shep's cut scenes with my tv on mute, I'm usually listening to the news when I play with him anyway...

HA! play with him. I'm priceless.

[Pwener2313]

Alamar2078 wrote...

Note: Either way I'm tiring of the thread.  I suspect nobody is ever going to convince anyone of anything.  While I couldn't prove it I doubt most of the vocal proponents on either side are really willing to consider other viewpoints.

Obviously, it's the internet after all. The best you can do is defend your point the best you can. Nothing wrong with that. Don't chicken out because the other guy/gal is an unmoving boulder who wants some love.

[Servo to the bitter end]

I like how we're back to the Asari thing.
 
For those who are just joining in now, I'd highly recommend reading the first couple of posts - not the the whole thread, but the FAQ. It's incredibly comprehensive and it does in fact address every single issue that has come up. It's a good place to start.
 
We're stating our position and discussing ways this could be implemented. Respectful disagreement and reasoned arguments are welcome - downright stupidity is not. It's about Mass Effect, and anything relevent thereto. Precedent set in other Bioware games are relevant. Content that was cut from the release version of the games is relevant. Real life, unfortunately, is not. There's a place to discuss that stuff, of course, but it's in PMs or on private boards.
 
Read the FAQ, join the group, stay on topic.
 
For my part, I'm ok with defining the available LIs as bisexual or subjectively bi/gay/straight. I've always been of the opinion that there's no canon supporting cast, just as there's no canon Shepard. The Garrus that Paragon Sarah Shepard interacts with is not the same as the Garrus that Renegade Dan Shepard interacts with. It's possible - and plausible - that characters like Kaidan and Ash can be written as bisexual in the third chapter of the story. Sexuality is an aspect of one's character but it does not define one's character. This has been repeatedly - and eloquently - stated by the likes of Rynluna in this and other threads.
 
If in one person's game, a certain character is gay/straight/bi, it doesn't affect your game. As stated many times, it's entirely possible to make it through the entire trilogy without involving yourself with any of the love interests.
 
This makes the game better for everyone. It doesn't change the game or take away anything - it makes for a more enriching roleplaying experience. This is good for everyone.

EDIT: For formatting

Modifié par TommyServo, 24 mars 2011 - 08:53 .