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[Phaedon]

I wouldn't have a problem with same sex romances, as long as the personality of the characters isn't bent in order to include them.

[Saeran]

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

I know this response is a day old, but I felt the need to respond to this.

1) Yes, that's my response to them as well.

2) Ultimately, the devs make the call, but we as consumers influence it. The majority usually are the ones that influence decisions.

And the "majority" probably couldn't care less if there was a gay romance option available as they would go no where near it.

Seriously, what difference would it make to YOU if there was an option for somebody ELSE? This isn't a case of well one must take away if one were to give. You won't lose all your past "hot women" escapades in your past playthroughs. Why is it so important to you that some of us shouldn't have an option? I don't feel entitlement, I feel disappointment at the lack of choice in a game heavily pushed with a motto of "choice is important".

[Ramirez Wolfen]

Saeran wrote...

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

I know this response is a day old, but I felt the need to respond to this.

1) Yes, that's my response to them as well.

2) Ultimately, the devs make the call, but we as consumers influence it. The majority usually are the ones that influence decisions.

And the "majority" probably couldn't care less if there was a gay romance option available as they would go no where near it.

Seriously, what difference would it make to YOU if there was an option for somebody ELSE? This isn't a case of well one must take away if one were to give. You won't lose all your past "hot women" escapades in your past playthroughs. Why is it so important to you that some of us shouldn't have an option? I don't feel entitlement, I feel disappointment at the lack of choice in a game heavily pushed with a motto of "choice is important".

We don't know that, like you said, probably yes, but probably not.

Also, It's not about not wanting others to have the option. That was never my argument, and it never will be.

EDIT: You seem to be taking my difference in opinion as an attack. That doesn't help your position.

Modifié par Ramirez Wolfen, 25 mars 2011 - 10:17 .

[Saeran]

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

Saeran wrote...

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

I know this response is a day old, but I felt the need to respond to this.

1) Yes, that's my response to them as well.

2) Ultimately, the devs make the call, but we as consumers influence it. The majority usually are the ones that influence decisions.

And the "majority" probably couldn't care less if there was a gay romance option available as they would go no where near it.

Seriously, what difference would it make to YOU if there was an option for somebody ELSE? This isn't a case of well one must take away if one were to give. You won't lose all your past "hot women" escapades in your past playthroughs. Why is it so important to you that some of us shouldn't have an option? I don't feel entitlement, I feel disappointment at the lack of choice in a game heavily pushed with a motto of "choice is important".

We don't know that, like you said, probably yes, but probably not.

Also, It's not about not wanting others to have the option. That was never my argument, and it never will be.

EDIT: You seem to be taking my difference in opinion as an attack. That doesn't help your position.

So your argument from what I can understand in recent pages is.. because there haven't been any gay / bi males in the past 2 games -> no one's Shepard is gay? Are you against a totally new character being introduced to fill that role?

[Ramirez Wolfen]

Saeran wrote...

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

Saeran wrote...

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

I know this response is a day old, but I felt the need to respond to this.

1) Yes, that's my response to them as well.

2) Ultimately, the devs make the call, but we as consumers influence it. The majority usually are the ones that influence decisions.

And the "majority" probably couldn't care less if there was a gay romance option available as they would go no where near it.

Seriously, what difference would it make to YOU if there was an option for somebody ELSE? This isn't a case of well one must take away if one were to give. You won't lose all your past "hot women" escapades in your past playthroughs. Why is it so important to you that some of us shouldn't have an option? I don't feel entitlement, I feel disappointment at the lack of choice in a game heavily pushed with a motto of "choice is important".

We don't know that, like you said, probably yes, but probably not.

Also, It's not about not wanting others to have the option. That was never my argument, and it never will be.

EDIT: You seem to be taking my difference in opinion as an attack. That doesn't help your position.

So your argument from what I can understand in recent pages is.. because there haven't been any gay / bi males in the past 2 games -> no one's Shepard is gay? Are you against a totally new character being introduced to fill that role?

I would support new characters that are bi. Actually in my now locked thread, I stated this.

[Saeran]

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

I would support new characters that are bi. Actually in my now locked thread, I stated this.

Oh, well yay *hug*.

[Ramirez Wolfen]

Saeran wrote...

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

I would support new characters that are bi. Actually in my now locked thread, I stated this.

Oh, well yay *hug*.

*hugs back* LOL I'm not against having bi or gay LIs at ALL, just changing the ones we already have. I want bi/gay LIs too.

[MisterDyslexo]

coolair74 wrote...

android654 wrote...

coolair74 wrote...
As long as there is a button to turn off the gay, im all for it.

There is one, its called the don't pick the romance button. If you can read, you can find it.

Yeah that worked so well in DA2

You're right, it absolutely did. If the options are Flirt/Flirt/Sod-off, it seems to work pretty well. Just pick the "sod-off" option. Don't cry about how you feel bad or its mean, deal with it. Thats life, and that kind of stuff does happen in real life. I had a situation in my own life about that, which I quite frankly feel guilty about. A female showed interest in me, to which I felt nothing towards her-in fact I was attracted to her brother. So I pretty much avoided her, and said no. I could've been a bit more polite, looking back, but still, essentially it wasn't a situation I would've been happy with in either outcome, so I chose the (far) lesser of the two evil. It surprises me that some people have a hard time telling somebody "**** off, stay away from my penis" because they don't want to hurt their feelings, but can make choices as to whether to commit genocide, and its all in the same game.

And if you have a problem along the lines of "Well if I reject them, I can't continue to talk to them", theres something behind the whole romance. Everybody's upset about the fact that you can't just be friends, its either co-workers who feel nothing positive towards each other, or they're having sex. Thats a unfortunate problem, but as it stands, the way Bioware develops most characters is that the only way to learn more about them, to interact with them, is to romance them. You get to see more of them. I've (extremely reluctantly) romanced Tali, along with others I normally wouldn't have (Thane, Jacob, Zevran, Leliana, Skye as both genders, not to mention characters from non-Bioware games) just to gain more insight into their characters. Knowing somebody more intimately naturally follows with a far greater understanding of the person. It just so happens that with Bioware, this tends to be the only way to learn more about a character, outside of any sort of loyalty mission or occasion chime-in during conversations about the mission. If you have a problem with having to romance them to learn more about them, your beef shouldn't have to be about sexual orientation, but rather lazy writing.

Modifié par MisterDyslexo, 27 mars 2011 - 06:00 .

[Tarek]

come on Bioware its not too late, you now you want it .....

[catabuca]

Well said, MisterD.

There is, in fact, only one occasion in DA2 where all this 'I'm being forced to be gay' stuff is coming from, that that is from an early conversation with Anders in act 1. However, the choice of 2 hearts or 1 broken heart icon only actually comes up if you have been consistently nice to him in conversation up to that point. I'm currently doing a sarcastic!Hawke run, who intends to romance Anders down the rivalry path. I am choosing all flirt options with him, however, since I have been sarcastic to him, during that particular conversation I only got 1 heart icon, 1 broken heart icon, and the other option was one of those 3-twirly-arrow icons. And that's as someone who is actively pursuing the romance!

Nevertheless, on my last run when I was being nice to him but chose to romance Fenris, I picked the 'It's unexpected' heart icon, which I squared as Hawke being the kind of guy who was flattered by someone expressing their attraction, but who wasn't interested in return. So in that conversation, I picked a heart icon. And do you know what? Anders didn't come onto Hawke AT ALL for the rest of the game. I didn't pick any other heart icons with him, and merely cultivated a friendly relationship with him. Picking that heart didn't make Hawke sexually interested in Anders, it only expressed his amusement at being hit on. Then I moved on and carried on with the rest of the game.

Seriously, all the kerfuffle over one little heart icon that leads to ABSOLUTELY NOTHING if you don't want it to, and a heart icon that, in fact, doesn't even come up in every single playthrough depending on your earlier dialogue choices.

I'm sorry, but this really is nothing more than a case of 'get over yourself'.

[ElitePinecone]

Well, Arrival is out, and without spoiling anything there was something I found quasi-relevant to this thread. I'm trying my hardest not to give away plot points here...

The situation at the end of the DLC means that Shepard may need to return *somewhere* for *something*. It also might indicate an increased Alliance military involvement in ME3, or at least more political maneuvering relating to humanity's place in the galaxy.

Could this be an indication of reuniting with Ashley/Kaidan in the early stages of the third game?

[catabuca]

It might be, Elite. I always assumed there would be a reunion anyway, and as much has been sort of hinted at by the devs in the past.

Without spoilers, I think Arrival sets it up that you may well be on your own in ME3, as in, not with any official backing from the Alliance or Cerberus. Or, perhaps you can choose which you wish to ally yourself with, be it the Alliance, Cerberus, or going it alone. Either way, I would expect that you will have dealings with the Alliance in some form (considering the ending of Arrival), and it would make sense for that to be when you meet up with Kai/Ash again. As for how they handle that, and whether it'll be another cluster**** like Horizon, is anyone's guess.

[Finis Valorum]

I do hope so, I want Kaidan back as a squadmate even if he isn't romance-able by MShep. As for introducing new gay or bi m/m romance characters, I don't know on the one hand It'd be wonderful to have the option especially if they are well written characters in their own right, on the other hand having just finished Arrival, I don't know if the overall feel third installment would be able to provide a suitable backdrop for developing any sort of relationship with new squadmates that doesn't feel like it's just a fling. I mean we must likely rush to establish a grand alliance capable of defeating the Reapers and doubly so if we want to get it together in time to have any hope of saving Earth and avoid the Pyrrhic victory ending here we save the galaxy at the cost of most of our own Race.

In those circumstances I don't see my Shepards having the time to develop any deep emotional connection to any new teammates so any sort of amorous relationship with them would be more akin to mutual stress relief through full body contact than anything else really.

[Spectre Impersonator]

Your comments about homos in spacesuits make me laugh. If Matrix were here, he'd laugh too.

[MisterDyslexo]

^ Why is there not a "trolling" option for the report function? *sigh*

I think that post might just be child solicitation...

Anyways, on-topic, I was always expecting a VS reunion, but I think you'll probably be separated for act 2, and only be together for 1 and 3. So I don't see much of them in general. And for this game being in development for about as long as Dragon Age 2, and what I'm hearing about it (still haven't picked it up) I'm not holding my breath for romances in general.

[Spectre Impersonator]

MisterDyslexo wrote...

^ Why is there not a "trolling" option for the report function? *sigh*

I think that post might just be child solicitation...

Anyways, on-topic, I was always expecting a VS reunion, but I think you'll probably be separated for act 2, and only be together for 1 and 3. So I don't see much of them in general. And for this game being in development for about as long as Dragon Age 2, and what I'm hearing about it (still haven't picked it up) I'm not holding my breath for romances in general.

Someone's never seen "Commando."

[catabuca]

MisterD - I'm in the crowd who is really loving DA2. There are problems, sure, but I like it more than I like ME2. As for the romances, the fact all are available as a choice for either gender Hawke is just astoundingly excellent, and any problems the romances have are to do with the new scripted time-jump nature of them (and the resulting lack of interaction), nothing else. What is there is written excellently, and as far as I'm concerned the DA2 romances do BW proud. They beat the ME2 romances hands down.

[MisterDyslexo]

JohnShepard12 wrote...

MisterDyslexo wrote...

^ Why is there not a "trolling" option for the report function? *sigh*

I think that post might just be child solicitation...

Anyways, on-topic, I was always expecting a VS reunion, but I think you'll probably be separated for act 2, and only be together for 1 and 3. So I don't see much of them in general. And for this game being in development for about as long as Dragon Age 2, and what I'm hearing about it (still haven't picked it up) I'm not holding my breath for romances in general.

Someone's never seen "Commando."

I have, but its just not funny, or really quotable. Except the classic "Remember when I said I'd kill you last?" quote.

[DSGrant]

Honestly, I wouldn't mind if Bioware added bisexual or homosexual romance options to Shepard. HOWEVER, what I do NOT want to see is this forced on us, or warping established characters so that they can fit into a more loosely defined sexual orientation.

(And yes, that dialogue moment with Anders in Act 1 of DA2 is precisely what we don't want to see in ME3 if this idea gets implemented. If you didn't want to earn rivalry with him, your only other choice was to consent to his advances. Just because we want to play a heterosexual main character does not mean a bi/homosexual companion should get pissed when we tell them we're not interested in them that way.)

Modifié par DSGrant, 30 mars 2011 - 11:17 .

[Russalka]

DSGrant wrote...
(And yes, that dialogue moment with Anders in Act 1 of DA2 is precisely what we don't want to see in ME3 if this idea gets implemented. If you didn't want to earn rivalry with him, your only other choice was to consent to his advances. Just because we want to play a heterosexual main character does not mean a bi/homosexual companion should get pissed when we tell them we're not interested in them that way.)

People can get hurt when rejected. Anders is looking for appreciation, Hawke rejects him. The rivalry points are logical and fair.

I would not mind seeing a gay love interest. Maybe allow the modded gay Kaidan romance to continue as well? There was cut dialogue with him being interested in Shepard.

[android654]

Russalka wrote...
Maybe allow the modded gay Kaidan romance to continue as well? There was cut dialogue with him being interested in Shepard.

They have a full fleged romance and love scene in ME1, Femshep and Ashley too. Shouldn't have stripped that. In all the reviews DA2 never got a nod for their bisexual content anyway.

[Finis Valorum]

catabuca wrote...

MisterD - I'm in the crowd who is really loving DA2. There are problems, sure, but I like it more than I like ME2. As for the romances, the fact all are available as a choice for either gender Hawke is just astoundingly excellent, and any problems the romances have are to do with the new scripted time-jump nature of them (and the resulting lack of interaction), nothing else. What is there is written excellently, and as far as I'm concerned the DA2 romances do BW proud. They beat the ME2 romances hands down.

Oh they beat ME2 hands down but for me I'm not so sure they managed to beat DA:O. In DA:O I felt like I got to know Zevran whereas in DA2 I feel like I only get a tiny yet tantalizing glimpse into the real Isabela (same goes for the others). I miss talking with Zevran about his crazy "adventures" yet the options to just initiate a conversation with your party members sadly lacking. Don't get me wrong the content of the romances in DA2 ranges from good to excellent inho but it feels like there's just too little of it. I would have loved to have been able to find out more about the companions by  questioning Fenris about his time in Tevinter and asking Isabela to relay me some of her adventures as a pirate captain.

On a more positive note DA2 finally got the dialogue wheel performing at an accetable standard for me by giving Hawke a real personality, so while I might not be able to micromanage what my character says exactly, I know that for the most part it will at least fit with his or her overall personality, whereas trying to play Shepard paragade or renegon just leads to a bipolar disorder.  So take note ME3 devs and try to give Shepard a personality in ME3.

Overall I'm quite pessimistic about our romance prospects for the upcoming ME3 for whereas DA2 romances are some of the best written parts of the game and now that I'm replaying ME2 after DA2 the romances in Mass Effect feel lackluster in comparison. Also like I've said before ME3 is supposed to be the finale of the trilogy and closure for the Shepard character, therefore aside from maybe a kelly like fling I don't know if starting and finishing a relationship with a totaly new teammate in ME3 could ever really appeal to me. The only character I could see my Msheps begin a sexual relationship with in ME3 would be Kaidan but the writers better give a damn good in universe explanation of how why he resisted the charms of Shepard back in ME3.   

[Volus Warlord]

Nyoka wrote...

You don't want homosexual romance forced on you. But you are totally okay with heterosexual romance forced on gay people.

Yep.

You guys are trying to turn shep into the next Vin Diesel.

Edit: fixed, just for you.

Modifié par Volus Warlord, 31 mars 2011 - 02:57 .