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[Mephistorian]

PresidentCowboy wrote...

I prefer men wearing giant hot dog suits

... what?

I don't know, I kinda prefer men in their birthday suits. HEYO!

[Coach]

MisterDyslexo wrote...

On topic, I was just wondering the proportion of people who go after in-game romances based on their real life sexual orientation. For example, I've only done one same-sex romance in a game for non-completionist reasons. It just coincidentally happens that in my case the characters I'm not that fond of are usually the same-sex romance (Liara, Zevran, Leliana, Skye, Juhani, the list goes on into other games) and generally just aren't my cup of tea. I don't count Kelly because I just "have dinner" with her to get her to feed my fish.

What I've come to find in Bioware games is that the NPC I think I'll have my PC romance before playing the game (ie reading about the characters online before the game ships) rarely ends up being the one I actually have them romance (or want to romance) once the story has begun. There's a lot to say about the way the plot unfolds and how certain characters can seem more interesting once you're actually interacting with them. For me, it's never based on their gender so much as their contribution to the story and how well they fit with the personality I've created for my PC. So yeah... I guess you could say I invoke aspects of my real life orientation into the games I play because of that. But I never define my PC by sexual orientation... I just let these things happen, and it usually works out for the best. Hence, one reason I wish they would "unlock" Kaidan: He was the most appropriate choice for my first ME playthrough... but completely unavailable. So a "great, exceptional romance arch" had to be replaced by a "good, available romance arch" in my particular case.

[catabuca]

Cootie wrote...

The point I'm trying to make is that if our experience is so much richer because we can play as the gender we prefer, I can't possibly imagine what it must be like to finally be able to relate to a homosexual or bisexual player character.

I'd give anything... almost anything... or, like... a lot, to be the man (or woman, I'm not picky)  who approved of, or came up with the idea of letting everyone be romancable by either gender in DA2. To know that you may have enriched so many experiences and pushed the envelope when it comes to what you can and cannot do in the gaming medium, yeah, it must be nice.
Warm and fuzzy.

Yeah. To all of this. Especially the bolded part. <3

(I do wonder if, at this point, any of the ME team even bother reading any of these threads. I'm sure some of them care -- it's just difficult to remember that sometimes, heck, all of the time.)

[ElitePinecone]

Apparently a new Mass Effect novel, Deception, has been announced.

It seems to star Gillian Grayson, who appeared in a previous novel. There's been no mention of everyone's favourite space marine, Hendel Mitra, though. At any rate, William C. Dietz is a great author and it'll be interesting to see how this turns out.

Given that it's being published in late September (i.e. before ME3 arrives), it'd be interesting to speculate on whether the plot ties into the third game at all. I wonder if there's any chance of a book-game crossover?

[Brian Mills]

catabuca wrote...

Cootie wrote...

The point I'm trying to make is that if our experience is so much richer because we can play as the gender we prefer, I can't possibly imagine what it must be like to finally be able to relate to a homosexual or bisexual player character.

I'd give anything... almost anything... or, like... a lot, to be the man (or woman, I'm not picky)  who approved of, or came up with the idea of letting everyone be romancable by either gender in DA2. To know that you may have enriched so many experiences and pushed the envelope when it comes to what you can and cannot do in the gaming medium, yeah, it must be nice.
Warm and fuzzy.

Yeah. To all of this. Especially the bolded part. <3

(I do wonder if, at this point, any of the ME team even bother reading any of these threads. I'm sure some of them care -- it's just difficult to remember that sometimes, heck, all of the time.)

I read it  Not every day, but I do read it.

[lolfanboi]

sw33ts wrote...


[*]No, most of us would like the former bisexual squadmates to be reimplemented, this includes, Tali, Thane, Jack and Kaidan.  (someone correct me on that if I'm wrong)  We also wouldn't mind a BRAND NEW character.  Please share your thoughts in the poll or topic if you have any ideas for people.

be uncomfortable if even gay behavior is even hinted at.[/list]

I didn't think in was implied than any of those characters were gay.

[android654]

lolfanboi wrote...

sw33ts wrote...


[*]No, most of us would like the former bisexual squadmates to be reimplemented, this includes, Tali, Thane, Jack and Kaidan.  (someone correct me on that if I'm wrong)  We also wouldn't mind a BRAND NEW character.  Please share your thoughts in the poll or topic if you have any ideas for people.

be uncomfortable if even gay behavior is even hinted at.[/list]

I didn't think in was implied than any of those characters were gay.

Its explicit in the content. Or do we have to whip out the manshep and Kaidan vids, Again?

Also, if gay content bothers you so much why persist to play around here? Don't you know there are gays afoot?!?! I suppose its a good thing no one wants grab a Volus by the waist until neither one can move. Wait, where is a Volus' waist?

Modifié par android654, 05 avril 2011 - 11:53 .

[technoquarian]

MisterDyslexo wrote...

On topic, I was just wondering the proportion of people who go after in-game romances based on their real life sexual orientation. For example, I've only done one same-sex romance in a game for non-completionist reasons. It just coincidentally happens that in my case the characters I'm not that fond of are usually the same-sex romance (Liara, Zevran, Leliana, Skye, Juhani, the list goes on into other games) and generally just aren't my cup of tea. I don't count Kelly because I just "have dinner" with her to get her to feed my fish. I'm too forgetful otherwise. However, I often end up pursuing heterosexual romances, and not just because its the only one available. The bisexual characters I've encountered in RPGs that you could romance, I found myself more often than not doing so with a heterosexual relationship. Though whereas I'm like that, I have a friend, straight male, who pursues the same-sex romance as often if not more often than the straight romance. So I was just wondering what the demographic probably looks like of straight gamers who do straight or gay romances, vice versa.

I'm a fairly butch gay male whose MSheps usually romance Tali- because as gay as I am, I find her absolutely adorable.  My FemSheps romance either Kaidan or Garrus.  That being said, I would be just as comfortable playing a straight character or bi character of either sex as I would a gay or lesbian character.

Really, it all comes down to the romance options.  If, say, Thane was a bi character, I'd probably not go after him, because he's just not my cuppa.  (No offense, Thane fans- love the character, just not my type.)  It's somewhat difficult to say since most options are for heterosexual characters, but overall, I think it's got more to do with how much affection I personally feel towards them than what sets of junk they've got.  I suppose you could average it all out and just say I'm a gay dude who plays bi characters.

[lolfanboi]

android654 wrote...

lolfanboi wrote...

sw33ts wrote...

• No, most of us would like the former bisexual squadmates to be reimplemented, this includes, Tali, Thane, Jack and Kaidan.  (someone correct me on that if I'm wrong)  We also wouldn't mind a BRAND NEW character.  Please share your thoughts in the poll or topic if you have any ideas for people.
  
  be uncomfortable if even gay behavior is even hinted at.

I didn't think in was implied than any of those characters were gay.

Its explicit in the content. Or do we have to whip out the manshep and Kaidan vids, Again?

Also, if gay content bothers you so much why persist to play around here? Don't you know there are gays afoot?!?! I suppose its a good thing no one wants grab a Volus by the waist until neither one can move. Wait, where is a Volus' waist?

[/list]Nothing in my post suggest gay content bothers me.

[catabuca]

Brian Mills wrote...

I read it  Not every day, but I do read it.

I think I've been spoiled by the interaction over on the DA forums. Because I have a general grumpiness over the s/s issue in ME already, the radio silence in this forum just makes me even grumpier. But I'm kinda grumpy by nature anyway, so ...

But ... now we know you're reading, this is the part where we strap you down and pump you for ME3 info, k?

[ElitePinecone]

catabuca wrote...

Brian Mills wrote...

I read it  Not every day, but I do read it.

Much appreciated  

I think the ME team are probably unfairly castigated for not interacting much with fans; it's good to know that some are lurking out there. 

[Cootie]

Lurking? Don't you mean creepy stalking?
Search your feelings, you know it to be true.

Now, to keep up the s/s discussion (I only write inspirational walls of text late at night, apparently), let's say there's a potentially homosexual (because calling them bisexual feels strange) LI in ME3 (besides Liara), would you prefer these to be human, or aliens of some sort?
And why?

Or would you prefer the DA2-method? Why? Why not?

[Tarek]

some more support

[Servo to the bitter end]

I would be happy if they put a couple of exclusively gay options in. But to be honest, I'm overall super happy with the way it was implemented in DA2. While it could obviously be improved, it beats the hell out of the way both Mass Effect games have handled it with regards to inclusiveness (that a word? I think it's a word) and relationship progression within the narrative (if that makes sense). It also proves to the people who argue against s/s romances in the interest of "mass appeal" that their argument cuts both ways. I'm with David Gaider in thinking that the cast of bisexual/subjectively gay/straight LIs is the best - and most economical - way of satisfying both camps.

[catabuca]

Hi Tommy, haven't seen you around for ages (maybe I'm not looking hard enough)! And I completely agree with you. I'm overjoyed beyond rational words about the way DA2 has implemented this. I was happy there were s/s options in DAO, but you're always going to get the feeling that you're being denied a choice when ... well, there isn't one.

In DA2 it's such an amazing feeling that all players regardless of their orientation, and all Hawkes, regardless of their orientation, get a CHOICE. To play through the game and know you're not going to have to 'settle' for the one option that has been provided for you is a wonderful feeling. You know that your Hawke can see how s/he fits with the personalities of the various characters, whether they get on, whether they don't, and make their mind up during the course of the game about who they would like to get to know 'a little better'. Rather than knowing that if you want to pursue a relationship in the game as a gay character it has to be with that one person every single time. CHOICE. It's freaking revolutionary.

And I'm absolutely happy with the way their sexuality is handled in the game. I will concede that it might have been nice had Anders mentioned his relationship with Karl to a fHawke, but I have created realistic reasons in my head why he might not. So in DA2 we have a couple of characters who mention their attraction to the same sex, and a couple of characters who simply don't really talk about their orientation at all. Sounds pretty good to me.

As for ME. Well, the teeny tiny sliver of my soul that still retains the slightest shred of hope that there might be a s/s LI in ME3 for Sheps OF BOTH GENDERS will, at this point, be happy if there is but one for each. I mean, it'd be like Christmas morning (or your cultural equivalent) if mShep wanders up to a guy, expects to get the standard bro talk, and suddenly realises, wait, I think this guy has the hots for me. Hell yes!

I'd prefer the DA2 method, because I think it's the absolute best way to go about the whole thing in a way that disenfranchises no one and provides exactly the same choice and gameplay experience to every single player. However, regardless of how it might be done, I would say I would ALWAYS prefer it to be a human character.

Human because: 1) not everyone digs aliens. You're going to please more people by having a human romance interest in this sort of role than an alien one, especially since it's unlikely gay Shepards will be given a choice of who to romance. If there's only one gay/bi LI, then it should be human. 2) because of the 'it's not gay if it's an elf' phenomenon. Like it or not, it might be sending a message that homosexuality is exotic and abnormal, and we can only have it in the game if we fudge it by making it an alien.

[Wittand25]

I would want a human or at least a very human-like alien. A Thurian or even Krogan would be OK as LI as long as you have other options but if there is only one m/m LI it should be human.
I also would love if there are more than one option. While I think that one option would be sufficient , two options to choose from would be much better. I do not really care if there are more straight options however.
My dream scenario would be Kaidan and an other LI (Gavorn or someone else) for ME3. So we would have a human m/m romance spanning all three games (even if it develops way slower than the straight counterpart) and a full new romance with a new character.

Modifié par Wittand25, 06 avril 2011 - 05:42 .

[technoquarian]

Wittand25 wrote...

My dream scenario would be Kaidan and an other LI (Gavorn or someone else) for ME3. So we would have a human m/m romance spanning all three games (even if it develops way slower than the straight counterpart) and a full new romance with a new character.

This.

I'm sort of wondering if that's the direction they're leading us with Gavorn's vid.  It would be so many levels of awesome to have him along as a gay LI.

Modifié par technoquarian, 06 avril 2011 - 06:46 .

[catabuca]

technoquarian wrote...

Wittand25 wrote...

My dream scenario would be Kaidan and an other LI (Gavorn or someone else) for ME3. So we would have a human m/m romance spanning all three games (even if it develops way slower than the straight counterpart) and a full new romance with a new character.

This.

I'm sort of wondering if that's the direction they're leading us with Gavorn's vid.  I would be so many levels of awesome to have him along as a gay LI.

Yup. As long as there is a human as well. Because otherwise, there's still no gay in space for my Commander Shepard D:

[Saeran]

Oh my, I had never learnt of this situation with Gavorn. My hope has been renewed!

[Biotic_Warlock]

*eats popcorn whilst entertainining ideas of gay kaiden*




One brand new squaddie would be nice XD

[FataliTensei]

technoquarian wrote...

Wittand25 wrote...

My dream scenario would be Kaidan and an other LI (Gavorn or someone else) for ME3. So we would have a human m/m romance spanning all three games (even if it develops way slower than the straight counterpart) and a full new romance with a new character.

This.

I'm sort of wondering if that's the direction they're leading us with Gavorn's vid.  It would be so many levels of awesome to have him along as a gay LI.

What's this about Gavorn?

[KawaiiKatie]

FataliTensei wrote...

technoquarian wrote...

I'm sort of wondering if that's the direction they're leading us with Gavorn's vid.  It would be so many levels of awesome to have him along as a gay LI.

What's this about Gavorn?

In Lair of the Shadow Broker, there was a series of surveillance tapes, one that included Gavorn (2:15 in the video), sitting on a bed as a human male walked towards him. The scene was short and fairly ambiguous, but I'm still rooting for gay!Gavorn. That would be pretty awesome.

Modifié par KawaiiKatie, 06 avril 2011 - 09:51 .

[Cootie]

Soooo, what you're saying is that...
Gavorn might be the one very specific man that stands in-between the FFTL-group, and the greatest threat of our brief existence.

Reluctance.
Stop being so careful and continue pushing the envelope!

EDIT: Yes, I'm trying to make you all shove quotes into your posts and still make it somehow relevant. It's a challenge! I bet you can't beat me.

Modifié par Cootie, 06 avril 2011 - 10:15 .

[ElitePinecone]

According to next month's issue of Game Informer, a possible squadmember in ME3 is called "James Sanders".

Could this be Big Ben?

Also, it appears either Ashley or Kaidan (depending on Virmire) are confirmed as squadmates.

[KawaiiKatie]

ElitePinecone wrote...

According to next month's issue of Game Informer, a possible squadmember in ME3 is called "James Sanders".

Could this be Big Ben?

That wasn't my first question. My first question was:

"Who is James Sanders, and can I romance him with my male Shepard?"

.......now, my second question is--Mods, feel free to jump in here--how much can we talk about James Sanders and question his sexuality (seriously, fingers crossed for a bisexual male love-interest in ME3!) before we get too "spoilery" or "off-topic," and this thread gets closed down? Again.