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[Blacklash93]

I was absolutely shocked that Jack wasn't a F/F LI. She has a lightly implied history with women, was strong and badass, and was just perfect for the position. Then she basically says "Not into girls anymore."

Kind of a slap to the face.

Modifié par Blacklash93, 09 avril 2011 - 07:47 .

[Biotic_Warlock]

Arken wrote...

So how do you guys feel?

I mean you've been teased with same sex romances since game 1.

Ashley/Kaiden was supposed to be for both sexes, but they never were.

Thane/Jack were supposed to be for both sexes, but that was canned as well.

You are, for lack of better words, being cock teased.

I hope you guys can get to enjoy the romances too. I know you can just play as a female Shepard, but it isn't the same and does not make for proper roleplaying. You should be allowed to be role play to same way as everyone else, but according to your prefrences.

Maybe a strongly worded letter? To Bioware. Not EA. EA would remove romances to avoid this in the future. Then again Bioware has been pretty mad lately with their whole, "IT'S NOT A DATING SIM!"

If you do try a(nother) strongly worded letter than I hope it isn't worded too strongly. Perhaps persausive letter would be more appropriate.

We're being screwed with.

[catabuca]

Also, folks, I posted earlier about a chatroom we have going. The details are in the FftL group. No restrictions there about what we can talk about

[catabuca]

Arken wrote...

So how do you guys feel?

I mean you've been teased with same sex romances since game 1.

Ashley/Kaiden was supposed to be for both sexes, but they never were.

Thane/Jack were supposed to be for both sexes, but that was canned as well.

You are, for lack of better words, being cock teased.

I hope you guys can get to enjoy the romances too. I know you can just play as a female Shepard, but it isn't the same and does not make for proper roleplaying. You should be allowed to be role play to same way as everyone else, but according to your prefrences.

Maybe a strongly worded letter? To Bioware. Not EA. EA would remove romances to avoid this in the future. Then again Bioware has been pretty mad lately with their whole, "IT'S NOT A DATING SIM!"

If you do try a(nother) strongly worded letter than I hope it isn't worded too strongly. Perhaps persausive letter would be more appropriate.

The letter, I started writing it a few weeks ago. I must get back to it actually.

[ElitePinecone]

Arken wrote...

You are, for lack of better words, being cock teased.

Or, in Big Ben's case, clock-teased. :innocent:

[Biotic_Warlock]

catabuca wrote...

The letter, I started writing it a few weeks ago. I must get back to it actually.

Good luck with it, babe.

[Blacklash93]

I feel like an idiot. How do I post in the chatroom?

[Biotic_Warlock]

Blacklash93 wrote...

I feel like an idiot. How do I post in the chatroom?

text box riiight at the bottom, it is quite camouflaged.

[Cootie]

May we inquire into the contents of this letter of yours, Catabuca?
Like a teaser?

[Wittand25]

The most frustrating thing for me is the silence before relaese regarding this issue. I understand that they can not say if they are trying to include s/s romances since if the s/s romances have to be cut shortly before release for one reason or another it would cause some upset here (and by extention on the whole gaming related internet). If however they did not plan to have them in ME3, by this time it should already be too late to add them and so Bioware could confirm that they are not in and safe everyone here months of hopeing and looking forward for this feature. But what we will get is a "We are not talking about romances yet" like we always get and so will remain uncertain until the first players get their hands on theior copies.

[KawaiiKatie]

Wittand25 wrote...

If however they did not plan to have [same-sex romances] in ME3, by this time it should already be too late to add them and so Bioware could confirm that they are not in and save everyone here months of hopeing and looking forward for this feature.

I understand that there are several reasons why Bioware cannot yet discuss same-sex romances in ME3 (or lack thereof) but personally, I would rather know one way or the other. If same-sex romances will not be available in ME3, or if Bioware has no current plans to implement them, I would rather know sooner rather than later. Just so that we can have some dialogue, you know? It would make me feel respected if this issue was resolved in an open, honest way, even if it does not end favourably for those who support same-sex romances for Shepard.

[ElitePinecone]

Wittand25 wrote...

The most frustrating thing for me is the silence before relaese regarding this issue. I understand that they can not say if they are trying to include s/s romances since if the s/s romances have to be cut shortly before release for one reason or another it would cause some upset here (and by extention on the whole gaming related internet). If however they did not plan to have them in ME3, by this time it should already be too late to add them and so Bioware could confirm that they are not in and safe everyone here months of hopeing and looking forward for this feature. But what we will get is a "We are not talking about romances yet" like we always get and so will remain uncertain until the first players get their hands on theior copies.

I don't think it's unrealistic for Bioware to be silent about some parts of the story (squadmates, for instance) in order to preserve some of the mystique and (dare I say it) hype for ME3. Of course it'd be nice if we got a definitive "yes or no" answer, but for the moment I'm not too troubled.

That being said, this thread is reasonably prominant in the ME forums and at least we know someone at Bioware is occasionally glancing in (see a few pages back, for example). It's not like this issue is being totally ignored. 

[Ryzaki]

But the DA dev team at least told us their was going to be s/s options (and even specified m/m) without telling us who they were.

[Cootie]

Ryzaki wrote...

But the DA dev team at least told us their was going to be s/s options (and even specified m/m) without telling us who they were.

And there was a lot of hype because of it. I believe the DA team is overall a lot more in touch with their Social Network audience, where as the ME team keeps focusing on the big bulging mass that is the wide market.

Or, perhaps, they simply do not want to make promises they cannot keep.

[Wittand25]

ElitePinecone wrote...
I don't think it's unrealistic for Bioware to be silent about some parts of the story (squadmates, for instance) in order to preserve some of the mystique and (dare I say it) hype for ME3. Of course it'd be nice if we got a definitive "yes or no" answer, but for the moment I'm not too troubled.

That being said, this thread is reasonably prominant in the ME forums and at least we know someone at Bioware is occasionally glancing in (see a few pages back, for example). It's not like this issue is being totally ignored. 

I am not asking for a detailed description of a possible m/m LI. I do not want any more information on the availability of an m/m LI, than there was given for a multiplayer feature in the currently discussed prieview. 

And if not now, then at least once the FAQ get´s put online and not the vague and ambigous lines that we usually get.

[Blacklash93]

They might as well shoot the hope down sometime at E3 to let gay players down gently. They were utterly silent about it in ME2 and that's what made the disappointment so much more painful.

You can decide Shepard's view on aliens and the Galaxy and how (s)he interacts with other characters. You can decide what (s)he finds ethical and the methods (s)he prefers. You can decide his/her attitude in all situations. You can basically make FemShep hot for Asari and Kelly and no men whatsoever.

Yet for some reason, (s)he's a "pre-defined" character. That's what I like to call selective reading on Bioware's part.

Modifié par Blacklash93, 09 avril 2011 - 08:24 .

[catabuca]

Blacklash93 wrote...

They might as well shoot the hope down sometime at E3 to let gay players down gently. They were utterly silent about it in ME2 and that's what made the disappointment so much more painful.

You can decide Shepard's view on aliens and the Galaxy and how (s)he interacts with other characters. You can decide what (s)he finds ethical and the methods (s)he prefers. You can decide his/her attitude in all situations. You can basically make FemShep hot for Asari and Kelly, but no men whatsoever.

Yet for some reason, (s)he's a "pre-defined" character. That's what I like to call selective reading on Bioware's part.

I completely agree with you, esp. your bolded part.

The pre-defined has always bugged me for two reasons. Firstly because of the way it contrasts with the way Shepard was heavily marketed as being YOUR Commander Shepard, with the emphasis on you developing his story and him being who you wanted him to be. But also, because apparently femShep does not conform to the same standards of pre-definition as manShep. For she can be 100% lesbian and engage in a lesbian relationship if you so desire. But the exact same behaviour is not within the scope of game or player definition for a male Shep.

Now we have even further fuel for the fire with the presence of Hawke. He is arguable even more 'pre-defined' than Shepard, because his pre-game history is set in stone. We can choose pre-service history and service record for Shep, as well as the usual class, gender, in-game decisions combination. We can't for Hawke. And yet he has the opportunity to openly identify as gay.

My Shepard is gay. No one can prove otherwise. He is gay, he always has been, he always will be. That part of his personality is not pre-defined by BW, there is no way they can say otherwise unless they force me to play a m/f relationship against my will.

Is it really such a dreadful thing to ask that my gay Shepard has the same opportunity for companionship as a lesbian Shepard?

Is it too much to ask that it be noted and apologised for that this current double standard is offensive?

I don't think so.

[Blacklash93]

If Bioware just admitted that they don't want to include such romances for whatever reason, I'd accept that. I enjoy ME for much more than just who I can bed with.

But to come out and say that you can't even roleplay as a gay Shepard or in any other way not blantantly permitted by dialogue options just kills Mass Effect as an RPG for me.

It's not the fact that there's no gay romances that bothers me, it's how Bioware addressed it when it was questioned.

[catabuca]

Midey wrote...

Ew, it is unfair! Shepard can be a lesbian, but not gay.

Yes. You're right. It is unfair.

[bluuberg]

Unfair and hypocritical, but hey - girl on girl is hot amirite?! *sigh*

[Biotic_Warlock]

catabuca wrote...

Midey wrote...

Ew, it is unfair! Shepard can be a lesbian, but not gay.

Yes. You're right. It is unfair.

Straightshep gets to choose any pizza toppings.
Gayshep gets stale bread.

[android654]

To be fair, Lesbian Shepard only gets Liara. I'm not too crazy about her myself, but she does have at least a choice, Now I wan to play a gay shepard out of sheer defiance to the lack thereof.

[catabuca]

I feel so bad for gay Shepards, having to spend all that time alone, when there's so much stress, destruction, pressure ... no outlet, no one to blow off steam to, or with. No one to confide in. No one to tell him he's doing the right thing. No one to tell him he can do it, he can stop the reapers, no need to give in. No one to hold him at night after he loses some of his squad through the relay, no one to just be there with him. Be there for him. He's always the big, goddamn hero, but who's there for him as his hero? No one. It's a crying shame.

Well, my big gay Shep is currently having really hot, angry make-up sex with Kaidan on Omega after having returned from the Omega-4 Relay. Or he will be ... if I can ever get them out of their clothes ...

*goes back to writing*