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[Eddo36]

All this begging makes me laugh.

[Nordic Einar]

Once more, avoid the trolls laddies and gents.

[Eddo36]

I'm a troll for pointing out a topic that has been locked 20 times in the past? Okay. Just pointing that out. How about we ignore the spammers? AKA this thread. It's just people repeating the same thing they said in the past over and over again, anyhow. And once this thread gets locked, they'll just make a new one repeating the same thing. And so on. Sigh.

Modifié par Eddo36, 01 juillet 2010 - 08:29 .

[Siansonea]

You speak wisdom, Nordic Einar.

[SorenTrigg]

Godlysnack wrote...

Well I'm from the opposite side of the fence here.. I have no problem with the same sex relationships as long as like the OP said, give us an option on the import screen.. We are in a new age of gaming and as such we should have more options for romances and stuff be it same sex or inter-species (aliens not animals) whatever.. Doesn't bother me so much as long as the option to not let it happen for my game is there.

I do have to ask, though, why you feel there would need to be an option to turn it off? I can see wanting to turn off content that bothers you, but, a lot of things in the game bothers people and is not able to be turned off . Renegade options, for example, bother a lot of people. But if you do not want to be exposed to them, you can just not do them. It is quite the same with any romance option. No one is forced to do any of them.

[Eddo36]

He just doesn't want bi squadmates to check out his Shepard's butt. Don't blame him.

[Tirigon]

I just wanted to state my complete, total support and all.

Just for interest, do you / we fight for threesomes too? I´d like that.

[Siansonea]

Tirigon wrote...

I just wanted to state my complete, total support and all.
Just for interest, do you / we fight for threesomes too? I´d like that.

Actually for certain Shepard's, threesomes would make sense, but probably only with certain LIs. I can't see Kaidan, Ashley, Miranda or Jacob agreeing to a threesome, but Jack and Liara might be up for it. As long as the LIs themselves maintain the character that has been established in the games, I say why not add it. I have one Shepard who would totally go for it. He's already banged Liara and Jack separately...

[Chippetg]

SorenTrigg wrote...

Godlysnack wrote...

Well I'm from the opposite side of the fence here.. I have no problem with the same sex relationships as long as like the OP said, give us an option on the import screen.. We are in a new age of gaming and as such we should have more options for romances and stuff be it same sex or inter-species (aliens not animals) whatever.. Doesn't bother me so much as long as the option to not let it happen for my game is there.

I do have to ask, though, why you feel there would need to be an option to turn it off? I can see wanting to turn off content that bothers you, but, a lot of things in the game bothers people and is not able to be turned off . Renegade options, for example, bother a lot of people. But if you do not want to be exposed to them, you can just not do them. It is quite the same with any romance option. No one is forced to do any of them.

Your mileage may vary. I felt forced into the Liara/Ashley/Kaiden/Jacob/Tali romances. The others are actually rather clear and easy to avoid, but a bit of forewarning is usually required with these ones.

On the all-characters-should-be-bi subject, I say NAY. Sure, bring back the 'original' bisexuals (Kaiden:wub:/Ash/Tali/Jack/Thane), but Jacob, Miri and Garrus are straight - changing that would kind off dimish their individuality. Also, Jack made it clear she wasn't a lesbian. I say just let it be there.

I'm also open for having new squaddies open to gay options. Or just squaddies in general. Depends on who returns and such

Finally, I have another solution on how to make sure the gay options don't feel 'forced.' The main issue with these romances are that they may make some people uncomfortable, right? Using M!Shep as an example, say there is a side quest with a male NPC, that can be solved by Shep flirting or kissing or whatever this guy (among other ways, of course). Back on the ship, Kaiden/Thane may say something along the lines of "So I heard about your encounter with Male NPC #1. I didn't think you swung that way Shepard." This would start the M/M romance.

Replace M!Shep with F!Shep, Kaiden/Thane with Ash/Tali and Male NPC with Female NPC, and viola, lesbian romance.

Good idea?

[SorenTrigg]

Chippetg wrote...
On the all-characters-should-be-bi subject, I say NAY. Sure, bring back the 'original' bisexuals (Kaiden:wub:/Ash/Tali/Jack/Thane), but Jacob, Miri and Garrus are straight - changing that would kind off dimish their individuality. Also, Jack made it clear she wasn't a lesbian. I say just let it be there.

Well, none of the characters are established as being straight or anything. Some have had some prior straight relationships, but that does not preclude bisexuality. And since none have actually said 'I am x' we can't really assume.
As for Jack. Well, there was that 'girl's club' comment, but that is really ambiguous. I took it to mean that she just did not want to do 'girl talk'.

[Tirigon]

Siansonea II wrote...

Actually for certain Shepard's, threesomes would make sense, but probably only with certain LIs. I can't see Kaidan, Ashley, Miranda or Jacob agreeing to a threesome, but Jack and Liara might be up for it. As long as the LIs themselves maintain the character that has been established in the games, I say why not add it. I have one Shepard who would totally go for it. He's already banged Liara and Jack separately...

True.
I mean, not that any person in his / her right mind would want anyone but Liara:wub: but still, the chance should be there.

Also, there was a threesome in Jade Empire, as well as homosexual romances. And that´s 5 years before Mass Effect...

[Tirigon]

Chippetg wrote...


Finally, I have another solution on how to make sure the gay options don't feel 'forced.' The main issue with these romances are that they may make some people uncomfortable, right? Using M!Shep as an example, say there is a side quest with a male NPC, that can be solved by Shep flirting or kissing or whatever this guy (among other ways, of course). Back on the ship, Kaiden/Thane may say something along the lines of "So I heard about your encounter with Male NPC #1. I didn't think you swung that way Shepard." This would start the M/M romance.

Replace M!Shep with F!Shep, Kaiden/Thane with Ash/Tali and Male NPC with Female NPC, and viola, lesbian romance.

Good idea?

It could force you to make out with a guy that might totally suck, though. Not so good.
But still, it would be better than nothing at all, and it´s the way things in games are usually done anyways.

[Cootie]

SorenTrigg wrote...
As for Jack. Well, there was that 'girl's club' comment, but that is really ambiguous. I took it to mean that she just did not want to do 'girl talk'.

So did I! I did not interpret it as some declaration that she wasn't into girls. Which kind of contradicts her previous statements anyway.
So in my opinion, she'd still make a possible candidate for a homosexual romance.

Modifié par Cootie, 01 juillet 2010 - 09:44 .

[Chippetg]

SorenTrigg wrote...

Well, none of the characters are established as being straight or anything. Some have had some prior straight relationships, but that does not preclude bisexuality. And since none have actually said 'I am x' we can't really assume.
As for Jack. Well, there was that 'girl's club' comment, but that is really ambiguous. I took it to mean that she just did not want to do 'girl talk'.

You make a fair point, m'dear. Don't get me wrong, if all characters were bisexual, I'd be over-ther-moon with the choices. But it would also cheapen the charactyers, in a way, and make them more 'fan-servicey' like what hapened with Tali. In my opinion, anyway.

Plus, for me, having a fully straight character gives me a motivation to play a straight Shepard. Otherwise, all my characters would probably be gay/lesbian, as I prefer, and therefore give me less motivation. Or something. Eh. :happy:

I personally thought that Jack wanted to clarify that she wasn't interested in my Fem!Shep. That, and I thought it was a really shoddy attempt to cut out the lesbian Jackmance on short notice.

Tirigon wrote...

It could force you to make out with a guy that might totally suck, though. Not so good.
But still, it would be better than nothing at all, and it´s the way things in games are usually done anyways.

I suppose, but as you said, better than nothing. If anything, it's a chance to confirm your Shepards sexuality, straight or otherwise.


Also, threesomes for the actual win! I can imagine my Liara/Miri renegade Shep would be up for it, as well as the participants. <3

Modifié par Chippetg, 01 juillet 2010 - 09:43 .

[Tirigon]

Cootie wrote...

SorenTrigg wrote...
As for Jack. Well, there was that 'girl's club' comment, but that is really ambiguous. I took it to mean that she just did not want to do 'girl talk'.

So did I! I did not interpret it as some declaration that she wasn't into girls. Which kind of contradicts her previous statements anyway.
So in my opinion, she'd still make a possible candidate for a homosexual romance.

I did interpret Jack´s comment as a really cheap way to tell the player "NO HOMOSEXUAL ROMANCES, PERIOD!!!!"
It doesn´t fit to the way she behaves, and, as Cootie says, it contradicts her previous stories.

[Cootie]

She does basically say "I don't want to talk" and says that she's not into the girls club kind of thing, which is basically a nudge at how women stereotypically get together and gossip.

So, yeah, "Bleep bloop, no more talkie."

[Siansonea]

Count me among those who thing that character continuity should trump fan-service. That said, some characters can be expanded (note I didn't say 'changed') to include bisexual tendencies without beggaring belief. I'm thinking mainly of Kaidan and Jack, but perhaps Thane and Tali as well, if your tastes run to stinky aliens.

[Chippetg]

Siansonea II wrote...

Count me among those who thing that character continuity should trump fan-service. That said, some characters can be expanded (note I didn't say 'changed') to include bisexual tendencies without beggaring belief. I'm thinking mainly of Kaidan and Jack, but perhaps Thane and Tali as well, if your tastes run to stinky aliens.

This. Especially as we need more than one gay option.

[sw33ts]

Siansonea II wrote...

Tirigon wrote...

I just wanted to state my complete, total support and all.
Just for interest, do you / we fight for threesomes too? I´d like that.

Actually for certain Shepard's, threesomes would make sense, but probably only with certain LIs. I can't see Kaidan, Ashley, Miranda or Jacob agreeing to a threesome, but Jack and Liara might be up for it. As long as the LIs themselves maintain the character that has been established in the games, I say why not add it. I have one Shepard who would totally go for it. He's already banged Liara and Jack separately...

Lol a Jack, Liara threesome would be....awesome.  But then again Jack probably wouldn't be up for it cause her stupid girl's club mention.

EDIT: reading Cootie's comment I guess it makes more sense that'd be more, no more talking type.

Modifié par sw33ts, 01 juillet 2010 - 10:50 .

[Soirreb]

Chippetg wrote...
Your mileage may vary. I felt forced into the Liara/Ashley/Kaiden/Jacob/Tali romances. The others are actually rather clear and easy to avoid, but a bit of forewarning is usually required with these ones.

On the all-characters-should-be-bi subject, I say NAY. Sure, bring back the 'original' bisexuals (Kaiden:wub:/Ash/Tali/Jack/Thane), but Jacob, Miri and Garrus are straight - changing that would kind off dimish their individuality. Also, Jack made it clear she wasn't a lesbian. I say just let it be there.

I'm also open for having new squaddies open to gay options. Or just squaddies in general. Depends on who returns and such

Finally, I have another solution on how to make sure the gay options don't feel 'forced.' The main issue with these romances are that they may make some people uncomfortable, right? Using M!Shep as an example, say there is a side quest with a male NPC, that can be solved by Shep flirting or kissing or whatever this guy (among other ways, of course). Back on the ship, Kaiden/Thane may say something along the lines of "So I heard about your encounter with Male NPC #1. I didn't think you swung that way Shepard." This would start the M/M romance.

Replace M!Shep with F!Shep, Kaiden/Thane with Ash/Tali and Male NPC with Female NPC, and viola, lesbian romance.

Good idea?

I'm not sure if I can really see that happening; In ME2, Shepard more or less keeps up a professional air; the Commander can be sympathetic or a total dick at times, but apart from one instance I don't recall any instance where Shepard was actively trying to romance or seduce someone (the consort encounter in ME1 was sort of the blue (no pun intended), and Shepard just looks bored most of the time in Samara's loyalty mission).  I don't really think the story would really take shape just so Shepard could up and kiss some NPC. 

I could probably see a squadmate flirt with Shepard at some point in the story if Shepard hasn't pursued anyone else, maybe something innocent that could be interpreted in a number of ways leaving the ball in Shepard's court as to either flat out reject / return / tactfully shut down the flirtation.  Of course, if Shepard wanted to pursue a squad mate, then the squaddie would be the one to reject or favorably return flirtation. 

sw33ts wrote...

Her eyes are quite stunning.  I actually got back into drawing because of her.

Also, I like where you're going with this idea.  It feels similar to one of the suggestions in the first post, the one where you can rescue so and so or the opposite gender and he/she becomes a LI.

And dude who stated that if you're in this topic you can't join the badass club.  I hope you removed yourself from said club then.

Also, I agree with Syledir.  I don't understand why it's so wrong to open up everyone as bisexual for certain playthroughs.  I mean if we're talking realistic, how realistic is it for EVERY FEMALE to fall for a EVERY PARAGON MALE SHEP.  I mean really.  I think KOTOR did it great when they had romances for the good revan and bad revan (forgive me if I'm wrong I never actually finished the game).  I also think we need more than 1 token gay/token lesbian because Liara's great and all...but I wanted Ashley and only chose Liara cause Tali and Ashley weren't an option.  It'd be great as many people before me have stated if you could atleast hit on them and then they turn you down (and you throw them out the airlock.)

I dunno if it should be a rescue romance, considering we already have a number of those, potentially (Jack, Tali, Liara), though seeing one that caters to s/s would be very interesting.

[zvbxrpl]

Chippetg wrote...
On the all-characters-should-be-bi subject, I say NAY. Sure, bring back the 'original' bisexuals (Kaiden:wub:/Ash/Tali/Jack/Thane), but Jacob, Miri and Garrus are straight - changing that would kind off dimish their individuality. Also, Jack made it clear she wasn't a lesbian. I say just let it be there.

I like the idea because it gives BioWare ammo against the detractors of same-sex romances.  If they stick with their story that the scenes and dialogues were cut due to time constraints (which I don't buy, but whatever), then they can just say, "Hey, we wanted to do this all along."

Also, my GuyShep can hook up with Thane, and Thane's glorious, glorious, Tom Waits/Mark Lanegan croaky voice, which is a plus.

[ElitePinecone]

Cootie wrote...

She does basically say "I don't want to talk" and says that she's not into the girls club kind of thing, which is basically a nudge at how women stereotypically get together and gossip.
So, yeah, "Bleep bloop, no more talkie."

This is the interpretation I had, as well. Not so much "eww, girls!" as "I don't want to waste my time gossipping with you". This could really do with clarification...

 

Siansonea II wrote...
Count me among those who thing that character continuity should trump fan-service. That said, some characters can be expanded (note I didn't say 'changed') to include bisexual tendencies without beggaring belief. I'm thinking mainly of Kaidan and Jack, but perhaps Thane and Tali as well, if your tastes run to stinky aliens.

I agree that it would be a little odd if previously-established 'straight characters' suddenly started hitting on Shep with no prior hint at all of their sexuality. This being said, the same thing was obviously and gratuitously done to Garrus and Tali, in terms of their newfound attraction to Shepard in the second game. Whether s/s romances are introduced via 'broadening' previous squadmates (Ash, Kaidan, Tali, Thane etc) or introducing new LIs through DLC or in the next game, consistency (story-wise) should remain the priority, 

[TaHol]

This has really made me wonder things: what does Shepards gender matter to Garrus or Thane, they are not human? How do we know what kind of "sexual code" these other species have? By Bioware making them so damn HUMAN. What kind of genitals Garrus has? Maybe he has no penis at all? Why would Garrus give a damn what genre Shepard is, Shepard is not Turian? And Drells, Thane was married and has a son, but Drells could be ALL bisexual by nature. This all somewhat annoyis me. Bioware had a perfect opportunity in ME-universe to widen up some bounderies, but no, I have to watch Samaras tacky suit but I can't tap Thane if my char is male. I'm sure Thane wouldn't mind

When it comes to other species I see no reason to not let them be open to both genres to romance. I can't see a reason why they would be flagged as beeing straight, gay, or bi. They are other species. They might not even have the word "gay". I dislike this human behavior they are forced into.

Modifié par TaHol, 02 juillet 2010 - 11:40 .

[FataliTensei]

SorenTrigg wrote...

Chippetg wrote...
On the all-characters-should-be-bi subject, I say NAY. Sure, bring back the 'original' bisexuals (Kaiden:wub:/Ash/Tali/Jack/Thane), but Jacob, Miri and Garrus are straight - changing that would kind off dimish their individuality. Also, Jack made it clear she wasn't a lesbian. I say just let it be there.

Well, none of the characters are established as being straight or anything. Some have had some prior straight relationships, but that does not preclude bisexuality. And since none have actually said 'I am x' we can't really assume.
As for Jack. Well, there was that 'girl's club' comment, but that is really ambiguous. I took it to mean that she just did not want to do 'girl talk'.

When I heard the "girl's club" comment I always figured she meant that she didn't want to be all girl-friendy with anyone, like the girls in the Girl's Room from the Amanda Show, I can see Jack not wanting to be like any of them lol

[elearon1]

>>Why would Garrus give a damn what genre Shepard is<<



The word you're looking for is gender, not genre - the two are very different.