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[Cootie]

lolwut666 wrote...

Just like you have the right to want gayness on your game, I have the right to not want gayness on my game. With the on/off option, it's a win for both.

I swear, people these days are ridiculous. First we had to accept gays, then respect gays... Sooner or later, being gay will be a requirement.

If I see gay people on the street, I have no problem with them, but I think it's my right not to want gayness on a piece of media that I'll be playing during my private time.

See what you're doing right now? Posting a comment on a forum, it takes a lot of effort to voice an opinion these days, huh?
Four hundred and seventy-two characters. Wow.
It would take you one mouse click to avoid homosexual content in your game. That's, homaigawsh, even LESS effort.

Sorry if I sound condescending, but I'm just saying it as it is. You can choose to click the heart, or you can choose to not click the heart. It's that easy.
I do not see how this would be such an incredible issue for you, sir.

Modifié par Cootie, 16 avril 2011 - 03:26 .

[lolwut666]

Nyoka wrote...

I swear, people these days are ridiculous. First we had to accept gays, then respect gays...

Don't worry, you don't have to accept it or respect it. You just have to deal with it. That will be enough for everyone.

But thank you for not trying to disguise your ideas as tolerant.

Thank you for just quoting only what you could smear.

And that was a quote by a writer from my country called Arnaldo Jabor, but I should have expected that you wouldn't get it.

[Jademoon121]

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

I have a question for those who want LIs to be bisexual or gay (or both if it's possible) in ME3.

What do you think of those who disagree (like me)?

No thoughts at all really. Romances in general are entirely optional and everyone is entitled their opinion.

[Cootie]

lolwut666 wrote...

Nyoka wrote...

I swear, people these days are ridiculous. First we had to accept gays, then respect gays...

Don't worry, you don't have to accept it or respect it. You just have to deal with it. That will be enough for everyone.

But thank you for not trying to disguise your ideas as tolerant.

Thank you for just quoting only what you could smear.

And that was a quote by a writer from my country called Arnaldo Jabor, but I should have expected that you wouldn't get it.

Most people do not attend international film festivals. This is an issue of presenting yourself, as quotes are generally kept within quotation marks, lest you want people to confuse them with your own opinions.
It is an honest mistake on Nyoka's part.
And mine.

[Dante Angelo]

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

I have a question for those who want LIs to be bisexual or gay (or both if it's possible) in ME3.

What do you think of those who disagree (like me)?

as long as your not a jerk about it you can disagree all you like

[Jademoon121]

[quote]lolwut666 wrote...

[quote]lolwut666 wrote...

It would be nice if you could switch bi-curiosity on/off on the options menu.

I think the biggest problem I'd have with all the gay thang is if one of the dudes made a pass at me when all I want is to talk.[/quote]
Would you have a problem with this? All you'd have to do is pick the option "highly inappropiate". Easy enough, isn't it?

[/quote]lolwut666 wrote...

Just like you have the right to want gayness on your game, I have the right to not want gayness on my game. With the on/off option, it's a win for both.

I swear, people these days are ridiculous. First we had to accept gays, then respect gays... Sooner or later, being gay will be a requirement.

If I see gay people on the street, I have no problem with them, but I think it's my right not to want gayness on a piece of media that I'll be playing during my private time.[/quote]

Holy Mother Maya....
Romances, gay or striaght, are optional. No one is making you be or do anything.

It's also my right to be able to romance who I want. How do you think gay gamers, or probably to a larger extent, RPrs, feel that they can only romance female members and not the gender they want Shepherd to romance?

Modifié par Jademoon121, 16 avril 2011 - 03:36 .

[Cootie]

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

I'm asking this because it seems like that's what happened on my thread. I'm not saying that the disagreeing side isn't (because some are, but I'm not), but I also want to see if the agreeing side is labeling those who disagree as merely "homophobic."

Labeling the opposition is only hurtful to our cause, so I surely hope no one is guilty of such things.
I think that if you were to describe the scenario in your thread, it could perhaps make for an interesting discussion regarding WHY people disagree and how your disagreeing affects people, and so forth.
Mainly, I want to know why you think the way you do. ^^

[jlb524]

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

I have a question for those who want LIs to be bisexual or gay (or both if it's possible) in ME3.

What do you think of those who disagree (like me)?

You need to give good reasons beyond "I just don't like it" or "It would be a detriment to character X's characterization".  I don't think you've done a particularly good job of clarifying your position and it requires some more detail.

Personally, no one knows you and you are nothing but words on their PC screen so your words alone represent who you are to them.

[DaeJi]

lolwut666 wrote...


Thank you for just quoting only what you could smear.

And that was a quote by a writer from my country called Arnaldo Jabor, but I should have expected that you wouldn't get it.

No, it is not a quote from Arnaldo Jabor. He may have said it, but you own what you wrote in your post. Attribute properly next time if you do not want to claim ownership of a sentiment.

[DaeJi]

I want to present a question to people who do not want the option: If homosexual romances were present in Mass Effect 3, using both current and new characters, how would it negatively affect your game (keeping in mind how BioWare handles play choice and romance)?

[lolwut666]

"I suppose that writer was not at his best when he said that. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt."

It was both a snarky comment and a critique about how minorities - in this case, homossexuals - often use their position as a means to gain favoritism and profit at the expense of others by playing the guilt game. I didn't quote him to the letter because it was off the top of my head. This is irrelevant to this topic, anyway.

Anyway, I'll admit that I've worded my post poorly. It was not my intention to cause this kind of reaction.

But your argument is also weak, and I don't see how it gets us anywhere. I have rights; you have rights. I suppose that only when the game is released that we'll see who "wins". Wish for what you will, and I'll do the same.

But whatever. I think I may have made a big deal out of it. Myself - like others, I believe - are not used with having homossexualism as a constant in their lives, so I believe you can't expect us to embrace it at your beck and call. It's a work in progress.

Have patience with the likes of us if you expect the same.

Modifié par lolwut666, 16 avril 2011 - 03:51 .

[Jademoon121]

lolwut666 wrote...

"I suppose that writer was not at his best when he said that. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt."

It was both a snarky comment and a critique about how minorities - in this case, homossexuals - often use their position as a means to gain favoritism and profit at the expense of others by playing the guilt game. I didn't quote him to the letter because it was off the top of my head. This is irrelevant to this topic, anyway.

Anyway, I'll admit that I've worded my post poorly. It was not my intention to cause this kind of reaction.

But your argument is also weak, and I don't see how it gets us anywhere. I have you rights; I have rights. I suppose that only when the game is released that we'll see who "wins". Wish for what you will, and I'll do the same.

But whatever. I think I may have made a big deal out of it. Myself - like others, I believe - are not used with having homossexualism as a constant in their lives, so I believe you can't expect us to embrace it at your beck and call. It's a work in progress.

Have patience with the likes of us if you expect the same.

We're not trying to turn the Normady into a Pride float or have Bioware take a clear public stance on homosexuality, we're just asking for legitimate same-sex romances(which are optional as all others) with our teammates. 

[jlb524]

lolwut666 wrote...

But your argument is also weak, and I don't see how it gets us anywhere.

How so?  I would be grateful if you could elaborate.

lolwut666 wrote...
I have rights; you have rights. I suppose that only when the game is released that we'll see who "wins". Wish for what you will, and I'll do the same.

I don't think this is a question of rights on either side.  The members of this thread are simply discussing something they would like to see in the next Mass Effect game and potential ways to implement it.  It's really no different than the other gagillion threads that crop up around here.

[DaeJi]

lolwut666 wrote...

But your argument is also weak, and I don't see how it gets us anywhere. I have you rights; I have rights. I suppose that only when the game is released that we'll see who "wins". Wish for what you will, and I'll do the same.

But whatever. I think I may have made a big deal out of it. Myself - like others, I believe - are not used with having homossexualism as a constant in their lives, so I believe you can't expect us to embrace it at your beck and call. It's a work in progress.

Have patience with the likes of us if you expect the same.

I will admit that my patience with the anit-same sex romance crowd is very strained, due to the reasons I support same sex romance. Which is not because I believe that gays deserve to be respented or because I support homosexuality. I support that option because it is just that, an option. It is another option in a game from a company that champions players forging their own story. While it is not feasible for BioWare to truly hand story control to a player, any option they can impliment is welcome, with same sex romances being one of the simplist.

More choices are good, they allow more people to play the way they want and create a more personal story. No matter the arguement against same sex marriage, it boils down to preventing people from having contect they want while you get the content you want.

[Insom]

It's too little too late for you guys. Shepard is a straight dude and has been for two adventures. You want them to throw consistency out the window?

[Dante Angelo]

Insom wrote...

It's too little too late for you guys. Shepard is a straight dude and has been for two adventures. You want them to throw consistency out the window?

How is it too late?? Commander shepard can choose not to have a romance.

[Cootie]

lolwut666 wrote...

But your argument is also weak, and I don't see how it gets us anywhere. I have you rights; I have rights. I suppose that only when the game is released that we'll see who "wins". Wish for what you will, and I'll do the same.

But whatever. I think I may have made a big deal out of it. Myself - like others, I believe - are not used with having homossexualism as a constant in their lives, so I believe you can't expect us to embrace it at your beck and call. It's a work in progress.

Have patience with the likes of us if you expect the same.

We are patient! We're asking for one thing, turning everyone inside a video game, a virtual world that's supposedly for everyone's enjoyment, potentially homosexual.
(I dislike calling everyone bisexual, I'm more of the "he's homosexual in one playthrough, and in another he's straight"-kind of person)
And yet this is met with such hostility, hurtful quotes and opinionated bashing. This is a baby-step.

So, with all due respect, it is sometimes difficult to disagree with you in a kind, understanding manner.

And I am a heterosexual male, and I have never had "homosexualism" in my life, or even near me. Yet I manage to see things from a different point of view.
So, patience?
I feel like it's way overdue.

[Jademoon121]

Insom wrote...

It's too little too late for you guys. Shepard is a straight dude and has been for two adventures. You want them to throw consistency out the window?

How is Shepherd straight? I can make my manShep gay by not having him romance and show interest in women, and I can already make femShep gay by having her romance, sleep, and hit on Liara, Samara, Shiria, and Kelly.
Shepherd could be entirely gay, but its just that he's never found a guy on his team that swings that way.

Edit for spelling and elaboration.

Modifié par Jademoon121, 16 avril 2011 - 04:05 .

[Insom]

Dante Angelo wrote...

Insom wrote...

It's too little too late for you guys. Shepard is a straight dude and has been for two adventures. You want them to throw consistency out the window?

How is it too late?? Commander shepard can choose not to have a romance.

Shepard is clearly into the ladies canonically. Has no objections when Shiala or Gianna Parasini hits on him.

[MACharlie1]

And I don't believe any of my (male) Shepards even had the option to express that they were only interested in women.

Sexuality is a spectrum. Some guys are 100% straight, others are 80% then 70%...you get the gist right? Even though all of my Sheps were shacking up with a female squadmate, I could feasibly see one of them shacking up with a guy if he was in his taste.

[Centauri2002]

Insom wrote...

It's too little too late for you guys. Shepard is a straight dude and has been for two adventures. You want them to throw consistency out the window?

If Shepard was a static character then maybe you'd have an argument. But Shepard is not.

Commander Shepard can be male, female, paragon, renegade, soldier, biotic, engineer, etc. My Shepard is not the slightest bit interested in men because that's how I play her. Someone else's might throw herself at all the men on the ship, but that's not the same character. It's still an RPG at the end of the day, we all want to play in our own way.

Next argument, please.

Modifié par centauri2002, 16 avril 2011 - 04:08 .

[Dante Angelo]

Insom wrote...

Dante Angelo wrote...

Insom wrote...

It's too little too late for you guys. Shepard is a straight dude and has been for two adventures. You want them to throw consistency out the window?

How is it too late?? Commander shepard can choose not to have a romance.

Shepard is clearly into the ladies canonically. Has no objections when Shiala or Gianna Parasini hits on him.

In Bioware games there really is no canon character. You guys are really making bad aguements here