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[Jademoon121]

Insom wrote...

Dante Angelo wrote...

Insom wrote...

It's too little too late for you guys. Shepard is a straight dude and has been for two adventures. You want them to throw consistency out the window?

How is it too late?? Commander shepard can choose not to have a romance.

Shepard is clearly into the ladies canonically. Has no objections when Shiala or Gianna Parasini hits on him.

Same for straight guys who get hit on by gay men, and gay men who get hit on by straight girls, and straight girls who get hit on by gay girls ect. etc.

By the way, Shephered didn't show interest when either women hit on him. He can either reject them or move on with it for their sake.

Modifié par Jademoon121, 16 avril 2011 - 04:12 .

[Leonia]

Insom wrote...

Shepard is clearly into the ladies canonically. Has no objections when Shiala or Gianna Parasini hits on him.

Wait, what.. not objecting to someone hitting on you means you find them attractive or find their gender appropriate to have a relationship with?

My FemShep got hit on my the asari consort and Shiala and she's still straight, just because she didn't tell them off (didn't want to be rude or appear close-minded) doesn't mean she was "into" them. 

Thing is, romances are optional content. If you don't want to be gay, don't flirt with someone of the same gender. It's really not hard. Nobody is forcing you to do anything you aren't comfortable doing with your character.

Shepard's sexual preference is never explicitly stated any where.

[Insom]

You're in denial. Don't be surprised when Bioware makes Shepard consistent with ME1 and 2 and he's straight only in ME3. I won't be surprised. It's consistency and it's one of the few pre-defined aspects of Shepard.

[Dante Angelo]

Insom wrote...

You're in denial. Don't be surprised when Bioware makes Shepard consistent with ME1 and 2 and he's straight only in ME3. I won't be surprised. It's consistency and it's one of the few pre-defined aspects of Shepard.

I don't think we're the ones in denial.<_<

[MACharlie1]

Insom wrote...

You're in denial. Don't be surprised when Bioware makes Shepard consistent with ME1 and 2 and he's straight only in ME3. I won't be surprised. It's consistency and it's one of the few pre-defined aspects of Shepard.

I'm honestly not holding my breath - all my Sheps are pretty happy with their love interests. But again, nobody ever said that a nice guy couldn't come around and sweep them of their feet. 

[Jademoon121]

Insom wrote...

You're in denial. Don't be surprised when Bioware makes Shepard consistent with ME1 and 2 and he's straight only in ME3. I won't be surprised. It's consistency and it's one of the few pre-defined aspects of Shepard.

No one is in denial. It's entirely possible to have manShep be played through all of ME1 and ME2 and not have him show any modicum of interest in women.

[technoquarian]

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

I have a question for those who want LIs to be bisexual or gay (or both if it's possible) in ME3.

What do you think of those who disagree (like me)?

What do I think of those who disagree?  They have a right to their opinions, to agree or disagree, whatever.  I've generally got a low opinion of trollish types, those who are actually homophobic (if for no other reason than being tired of it), and people who want to force my Shep to be straight.  Then there are those who are capable of voicing their opinions in a calm, intelligent manner and even though I might disagree with them, I tend to respect them.  I don't call anyone a homophobe just because they disagree with me.

What do I think of you?  You have a Xen avatar and that makes me happy.  /shrug  That's all I really know about you.

[taliefer]

i have no problem in games where the option is there, i just tell the character expressing interest in my male hero that, sorry, not interested and move on. however it has to be done in a manner that makes sense...for example, having EVERY character in dragon age 2 be bi-sexual was just rediculous imo, it killed character devolpment on many levels



maleshep just isnt gay, or have gay tendacies. yes, this is an RPG, but shepard isnt a completely player creaed avatar, he has certain set personality traits regardless of player choices. i believe bioware uses the term 3rd person narrative or some such and have said the same thing.

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[Centauri2002]

If Shepard were completely straight, then that would mean FemShep was completely straight. They're the same character after all. Except... no... she isn't, is she? And before anyone starts with the "but asari aren't women!" argument - it's all about human perception. Most humans look at an asari and think "woman". Do I even need to mention Kelly at this point?

Double standards ahoy.

Modifié par centauri2002, 16 avril 2011 - 04:26 .

[technoquarian]

taliefer wrote...
maleshep just isnt gay, or have gay tendacies. yes, this is an RPG, but shepard isnt a completely player creaed avatar, he has certain set personality traits regardless of player choices. i believe bioware uses the term 3rd person narrative or some such and have said the same thing.

Right, he's got a certain set personality like whether to shoot a hostage or not, whether to work with a speciesist terrorist organization or not.  His attributes are fixed, too, like when he's a woman.

Wait.  What?

No offense, dude, but weak argument.

[Dante Angelo]

technoquarian wrote...

taliefer wrote...
maleshep just isnt gay, or have gay tendacies. yes, this is an RPG, but shepard isnt a completely player creaed avatar, he has certain set personality traits regardless of player choices. i believe bioware uses the term 3rd person narrative or some such and have said the same thing.

Right, he's got a certain set personality like whether to shoot a hostage or not, whether to work with a speciesist terrorist organization or not.  His attributes are fixed, too, like when he's a woman.

Wait.  What?

No offense, dude, but weak argument.

Alot of the opposing arguements are weak

[MACharlie1]

centauri2002 wrote...

If Shepard were completely straight, then that would mean FemShep was completely straight. They're the same character after all. Except... no... she isn't, is she? And before anyone starts with the "but asari aren't women!" argument - it's all about human perception at this point. Most humans look at an asari and think "woman". Do I even need to mention Kelly at this point?

Double standards ahoy.

Just to be devil's advocate, a FemShep can express that she is only interested in men. 

Again, something that ManShep cannot do for either (unless you've got a modded game in which MaleShep CAN say he is only interested in men...fully voiced too)

[Jademoon121]

taliefer wrote...

i have no problem in games where the option is there, i just tell the character expressing interest in my male hero that, sorry, not interested and move on. however it has to be done in a manner that makes sense...for example, having EVERY character in dragon age 2 be bi-sexual was just rediculous imo, it killed character devolpment on many levels



maleshep just isnt gay, or have gay tendacies. yes, this is an RPG, but shepard isnt a completely player creaed avatar, he has certain set personality traits regardless of player choices. i believe bioware uses the term 3rd person narrative or some such and have said the same thing.

i

The only things that are predetermined for Shep is his/her job, rank, and race.

His backstory, personality, political views, mortals, relationships, and actions are all changable at the player's fingers. Like those above me said, femShep can romance women, alien or otherwise.

[MisterJB]

Insom wrote...
It's consistency and it's one of the few pre-defined aspects of Shepard.

How exactly is it pre-defined? Is this how your bio in ME1 looks like?
Name: John Shepard
Origin: Spacer, etc
Reputation: Sole Survivor, etc
class: Soldier, etc.
Sexual Orientation: Heterossexual.

The sexuality of Shepard is chosen by you, the player. My Shepard is an heterosexual man who is in a relationship with a woman. However, if I want to, I can make an homossexual Shepard who was interested in Kaidan but, as soon as we entered Chora's den, realized that he is straigth and so, didn't hit on him.
There is nothing indicating what Shepard fancies so, it's up to the player.

[JediMB]

lolwut666 wrote...

Just like you have the right to want gayness on your game, I have the right to not want gayness on my game. With the on/off option, it's a win for both.

I'm offended by rude people. I want an on/off switch for Renegade dialogue and mean NPCs.

Biotics are clearly witchcraft. I want an on/off switch for Biotics being referenced or shown in the game.

Because on/off switches are what roleplaying is all about!

[Jademoon121]

MACharlie1 wrote...

centauri2002 wrote...

If Shepard were completely straight, then that would mean FemShep was completely straight. They're the same character after all. Except... no... she isn't, is she? And before anyone starts with the "but asari aren't women!" argument - it's all about human perception at this point. Most humans look at an asari and think "woman". Do I even need to mention Kelly at this point?

Double standards ahoy.

Just to be devil's advocate, a FemShep can express that she is only interested in men. 

Again, something that ManShep cannot do for either (unless you've got a modded game in which MaleShep CAN say he is only interested in men...fully voiced too)

True, but before ME1 came out, there was same-sex romances scripted and some of its content put in game, and with the right programing you can extrat them and play them. In a conversation with Liara(you can find it on Youtube) Shepherd can reject Liara's advnaces for romaces by stating, fully voiced, that he's only interested in men.

[Dante Angelo]

MisterJB wrote...

Insom wrote...
It's consistency and it's one of the few pre-defined aspects of Shepard.

How exactly is it pre-defined? Is this how your bio in ME1 looks like?
Name: John Shepard
Origin: Spacer, etc
Reputation: Sole Survivor, etc
class: Soldier, etc.
Sexual Orientation: Heterossexual.

The sexuality of Shepard is chosen by you, the player. My Shepard is an heterosexual man who is in a relationship with a woman. However, if I want to, I can make an homossexual Shepard who was interested in Kaidan but, as soon as we entered Chora's den, realized that he is straigth and so, didn't hit on him.
There is nothing indicating what Shepard fancies so, it's up to the player.

I still highly doubt that Kaiden is completely straight

[Centauri2002]

MACharlie1 wrote...
Just to be devil's advocate, a FemShep can express that she is only interested in men. 

Again, something that ManShep cannot do for either (unless you've got a modded game in which MaleShep CAN say he is only interested in men...fully voiced too)

Absolutely. She has the option of saying that. But she also has the option of going ahead and entering into a relationship with Liara, or that interaction with other female characters. That's the key point - choice.

Again, it's an example of a double standard. There's choice for FemShep but not for MaleShep.

[Jademoon121]

Here's the link to the video:

[MACharlie1]

Jademoon121 wrote...

MACharlie1 wrote...

centauri2002 wrote...

If Shepard were completely straight, then that would mean FemShep was completely straight. They're the same character after all. Except... no... she isn't, is she? And before anyone starts with the "but asari aren't women!" argument - it's all about human perception at this point. Most humans look at an asari and think "woman". Do I even need to mention Kelly at this point?

Double standards ahoy.

Just to be devil's advocate, a FemShep can express that she is only interested in men. 

Again, something that ManShep cannot do for either (unless you've got a modded game in which MaleShep CAN say he is only interested in men...fully voiced too)

True, but before ME1 came out, there was same-sex romances scripted and some of its content put in game, and with the right programing you can extrat them and play them. In a conversation with Liara(you can find it on Youtube) Shepherd can reject Liara's advnaces for romaces by stating, fully voiced, that he's only interested in men.

Thank you for reiterating my point. 

My point being that MaleShep NEVER EVER says he's only into women. 

[jlb524]

taliefer wrote...

i have no problem in games where the option is there, i just tell the character expressing interest in my male hero that, sorry, not interested and move on. however it has to be done in a manner that makes sense...for example, having EVERY character in dragon age 2 be bi-sexual was just rediculous imo, it killed character devolpment on many levels

How did it kill character development on many levels?

I'm desperate for someone to explain why they feel this way instead of repeating that platitude over and over again.

taliefer wrote...
maleshep just isnt gay, or have gay tendacies. yes, this is an RPG, but shepard isnt a completely player creaed avatar, he has certain set personality traits regardless of player choices. i believe bioware uses the term 3rd person narrative or some such and have said the same thing.
i

Can you prove to me that MaleShep does not have any "gay tendencies", whatever that is?

[taliefer]

you are more than welcome to call it weak if ya want, but after playing 2 games with absolutely no hint that any of my malesheps could even remotely have gay inclinations, i would find it....odd, if all of a sudden he does in ME3.

again, i dont mind games that have the option, it just would seem out of place in ME3 imo. if it had been an option from me1, then sure.

[MACharlie1]

taliefer wrote...

you are more than welcome to call it weak if ya want, but after playing 2 games with absolutely no hint that any of my malesheps could even remotely have gay inclinations, i would find it....odd, if all of a sudden he does in ME3.

again, i dont mind games that have the option, it just would seem out of place in ME3 imo. if it had been an option from me1, then sure.

Just out of curiosity, what exactly are gay tendencies? 

[Jademoon121]

taliefer wrote...

you are more than welcome to call it weak if ya want, but after playing 2 games with absolutely no hint that any of my malesheps could even remotely have gay inclinations, i would find it....odd, if all of a sudden he does in ME3.

again, i dont mind games that have the option, it just would seem out of place in ME3 imo. if it had been an option from me1, then sure.

It would be a I agree, but there where gay inclinations for manShep, however they where removed when the game hit the stores, though like I said, you can find traces of it in the game. Modders have been able to recreate a romance with Kaidan, with some of the dialouge fully voiced.

[Saeran]

Insom wrote...

It's too little too late for you guys. Shepard is a straight dude and has been for two adventures. You want them to throw consistency out the window?

I'd like you to back up that statement with a citation of Shepard saying/proving he only has interests for ladies. My Shepard hasn't romanced anyone, but he also hasn't stated through many playthroughs.. God girls are hawt yo.