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[Cootie]

MACharlie1 wrote...

taliefer wrote...

you are more than welcome to call it weak if ya want, but after playing 2 games with absolutely no hint that any of my malesheps could even remotely have gay inclinations, i would find it....odd, if all of a sudden he does in ME3.

again, i dont mind games that have the option, it just would seem out of place in ME3 imo. if it had been an option from me1, then sure.

Just out of curiosity, what exactly are gay tendencies? 

And how does a Shepard that's straight suddenly fall for men simply because there's an option? O.o

[technoquarian]

I'm not sure if these "gay tendencies" or "gay inclinations" are some sort of compulsion to engage in homosexual behavior, or what...Although I guess I have "straight tendencies" since once in a great while, but I thought that was just part of being bi, chilling out around 5 on the Kinsey scale...

Kidding aside, have you watched any of the videos with the MShep/Kaidan content? That's all stuff that was put into the game. Furthermore, MShep never once comes out and says "sorry, I only go for women," as can a FemShep. I know one guy IRL who I never knew was gay, because he didn't date for a while and also never talked about people he found hot. He wasn't "in the closet" or anything, relationships just weren't a priority for him. It's very possible that Shepard could be gay- just because he doesn't talk about it or hit on anyone doesn't mean that he isn't.

Modifié par technoquarian, 16 avril 2011 - 04:58 .

[lolwut666]

The title of this thread reminds me of that one techno song.

Fight... 4 love.

Baby, don't you know? I want same sex relationships on ME threeeeeeee...

There's no need to worry... DA2 had them so ME3 will tooooo...

Fight... 4 love.

...

I'll see myself out.

[Saeran]

taliefer wrote...

you are more than welcome to call it weak if ya want, but after playing 2 games with absolutely no hint that any of my malesheps could even remotely have gay inclinations, i would find it....odd, if all of a sudden he does in ME3.

again, i dont mind games that have the option, it just would seem out of place in ME3 imo. if it had been an option from me1, then sure.

How do you know your M!Shep doesn't have gay tendencies? Apart from romancing a female in a playthrough (which some people haven't) he could be gay/straight/bisexual in anyone's playthrough. Oh that's right it's because you chose he was straight based on your pre-conceptions of gay people. Not all gay people are flamboyant or outrageous or whatever descritpive word you would like to add. My Shepard is gay, and no he hasn't stated it, but neither has he stated to the otherwise.

[Centauri2002]

I think some people are hung up on the masculinity factor. It's about time people got over the fact that masculine men can be gay as well.

Modifié par centauri2002, 16 avril 2011 - 05:00 .

[MACharlie1]

Cootie wrote...

MACharlie1 wrote...

taliefer wrote...

you are more than welcome to call it weak if ya want, but after playing 2 games with absolutely no hint that any of my malesheps could even remotely have gay inclinations, i would find it....odd, if all of a sudden he does in ME3.

again, i dont mind games that have the option, it just would seem out of place in ME3 imo. if it had been an option from me1, then sure.

Just out of curiosity, what exactly are gay tendencies? 

And how does a Shepard that's straight suddenly fall for men simply because there's an option? O.o

And to that I ask this question, where does Shep state that he only falls for women? 

[Dante Angelo]

centauri2002 wrote...

I think some people are hung up on the masculinity factor. It's about time people got over the fact that masculine men can be gay as well.

Just look at the ancient greeks, the Cetlics, Romans, and Rob Halford

[taliefer]

how exactly do you know what my "pre conceived notions" of gay people are? thats being a bit presumptious dont you think?

and as ive said, if there had been an option for shep to go for a male LI in me 1, or even me2, id have just said no and moved on. no hating of gayness, no EWWW NO, just "no thanks" and gone on with my game.

and if for some reason they have the option in ME3, i will largely do the same, just with the added caveat of it being a little immersion breaking because it would have came out of left field after 2 full games of not being an option.

its just my opinion that in the case of mass effect, the main character isnt gay and has been shown not to be in two games already, and having the option in the 3rd would be a bit odd.

[technoquarian]

taliefer wrote...
its just my opinion that in the case of mass effect, the main character isnt gay and has been shown not to be in two games already, and having the option in the 3rd would be a bit odd.

Ah, yes, "Shepard's been shown to be straight."  We have dismissed that claim.  /facepalm

[Ryzaki]

taliefer wrote...

how exactly do you know what my "pre conceived notions" of gay people are? thats being a bit presumptious dont you think?

and as ive said, if there had been an option for shep to go for a male LI in me 1, or even me2, id have just said no and moved on. no hating of gayness, no EWWW NO, just "no thanks" and gone on with my game.

and if for some reason they have the option in ME3, i will largely do the same, just with the added caveat of it being a little immersion breaking because it would have came out of left field after 2 full games of not being an option.

its just my opinion that in the case of mass effect, the main character isnt gay and has been shown not to be in two games already, and having the option in the 3rd would be a bit odd.

Just because there wasn't an option to say Shepard didn't believe that the sky was blue. That means he doesn't? The fact that there wasn't an option says nothing about Shepard other than there wasn't an option. 

You have no clue about anyone else's Shepard's orientation. *Your* Shepard's not gay. 

My Shepard simply didn't have anyone to express interest in. 

If in the third game my Shepard (who is completely single and has expressed disinterest in all females) it would be perfectly in character. He isn't "proven to be straight." unless you romanced a woman. And even then he could still be bisexual. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 16 avril 2011 - 05:20 .

[Jademoon121]

centauri2002 wrote...

I think some people are hung up on the masculinity factor. It's about time people got over the fact that masculine men can be gay as well.

Most gay men are in some ways, just like every other guy. The idea that a guy who's interested in other men is somehow "softer" is just a culture thing.

[Jademoon121]

taliefer wrote...

how exactly do you know what my "pre conceived notions" of gay people are? thats being a bit presumptious dont you think?

and as ive said, if there had been an option for shep to go for a male LI in me 1, or even me2, id have just said no and moved on. no hating of gayness, no EWWW NO, just "no thanks" and gone on with my game.

and if for some reason they have the option in ME3, i will largely do the same, just with the added caveat of it being a little immersion breaking because it would have came out of left field after 2 full games of not being an option.

its just my opinion that in the case of mass effect, the main character isnt gay and has been shown not to be in two games already, and having the option in the 3rd would be a bit odd.

Sorry, but again you can make Shepherd entirely homosexual if you play him right by not having him take any interest in women. Just because the oppritunity hasn't shown itself doesn't make Shepherd any less of gay guy than one who lives in say, a predominately heterosexual area, which is a reality for a lot of gay people..

[catabuca]

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

I have a question for those who want LIs to be bisexual or gay (or both if it's possible) in ME3.

What do you think of those who disagree (like me)?

Last time I checked, I thought you told us you supported the inclusion of bisexual LIs in the game, just not if it meant 'changing' any of the old LIs.

Why the sudden change of heart?

[Siansonea]

Well, one things for sure. The anti-same-sex crowd is almost making our point better than we are. Thank you all for giving us a very clear picture of what’s going on in your minds.

This unreasonable discomfort with a game option that would not affect their game experience in any way is almost cartoonish. The fact that these boys are focused on this one aspect of the game as being 'game breaking' or disrupting narrative continuity is nonsensical to me. If I was looking for disjointed narrative continuity, I could find quite a few examples of it in Mass Effect 2, and even a few moments in the first game. But Shepard's sexuality is a completely optional subject, it is not part of the main story, and no definitive proclamations are made in every single playthrough by unavoidable dialog choice. The player is free to imagine all sorts of sexual predilections for Shepard, because what’s in the game doesn’t really nail it down definitively. All we have are the options that Shepard has been able to pursue up until now, we have no idea how Shepard would react if new options were made available to him. And just because somebody remances Jack/Tali/Miranda/Kaidan in their playthrough, that doesn’t mean that ALL Shepards have. I wish people understood that principle and how it relates to this subject. Your Shepard might be a cartoon of macho manly masculine studliness, but I’m still going to play my Shepard as a thinking, rational, human being. That’s the beauty of these games, we can all play these different styles to the hilt.

So to recap: Shepard working with Cerberus after a brief conversation with TIM— regardless of Akuze, Admiral Kahoku, and all the other atrocities and terrorist acts the organization has perpetrated—isnt a problem for these boys. But the off-chance that some male character might hit on a male Shepard and the fact that the male Shepard can take him up on the offer IS. I would say Shepard’s about-face on Cerberus was a MUCH more questionable personality shift (especially for Paragons) than a heretofore celibate male Shepard dating a man, or a womanizing Shepard expanding his universe to include some manlove. I’ve actually known men and women in real life who discovered that they are gay or bisexual relatively later in life, but I’ve never met any who after a distinguished career in military service suddenly start working for terrorists. Of course, I’m sure that does happen in real life too, so whatever Shepard.

So, BioWare, you see your options. You see the people on both sides of this issue. You see the reasoning put forward by both groups, and hopefully you can see that while there are emotional stakes on both sides, you also see that there is one group of people who want to add options, and another group who want to take away options that they (theoretically) would never pursue even if they were available, just to prevent other players from having an experience they want. It really is as simple as that.

[taliefer]

im glad you have dismissed that claim. i, on the other hand, have not. it makes perfect sense to me. "/facepalm" indeed, different opinions, isnt that what one of the stated purpose of this thread is for?

i'll even explain why i feel as i do. and i will even once again preface this with stating this applies to me, and how i play games.

when i see the conversation wheel pop up, the way i interpret is these are the responses going through shepards mind at that time, and i can choose one. never have i seen the option to hit on a male squad mate. that, to me, after two games, means shepard is not gay.

[Saeran]

taliefer wrote...

im glad you have dismissed that claim. i, on the other hand, have not. it makes perfect sense to me. "/facepalm" indeed, different opinions, isnt that what one of the stated purpose of this thread is for?

i'll even explain why i feel as i do. and i will even once again preface this with stating this applies to me, and how i play games.

when i see the conversation wheel pop up, the way i interpret is these are the responses going through shepards mind at that time, and i can choose one. never have i seen the option to hit on a male squad mate. that, to me, after two games, means shepard is not gay.

So in your book... someone is guilty until proving innocent. I see.

[Siansonea]

taliefer wrote...

im glad you have dismissed that claim. i, on the other hand, have not. it makes perfect sense to me. "/facepalm" indeed, different opinions, isnt that what one of the stated purpose of this thread is for?

i'll even explain why i feel as i do. and i will even once again preface this with stating this applies to me, and how i play games.

when i see the conversation wheel pop up, the way i interpret is these are the responses going through shepards mind at that time, and i can choose one. never have i seen the option to hit on a male squad mate. that, to me, after two games, means shepard is not gay.

Gee, and all these years I've been playing the games based on my own interpretations. I had no idea I was supposed to be playing the game based on your interpretations this whole time. In my defense, until 30 seconds ago I had no idea you existed.

[Dante Angelo]

Dante Angelo wrote...

centauri2002 wrote...

I think some people are hung up on the masculinity factor. It's about time people got over the fact that masculine men can be gay as well.

Just look at the ancient greeks, the Cetlics, Romans, and Rob Halford

I forgot to mention the Turian Captain Preitor Gavorn

[Jademoon121]

Dante Angelo wrote...

Dante Angelo wrote...

centauri2002 wrote...

I think some people are hung up on the masculinity factor. It's about time people got over the fact that masculine men can be gay as well.

Just look at the ancient greeks, the Cetlics, Romans, and Rob Halford

I forgot to mention the Turian Captain Preitor Gavorn

The Turian at the enterance of Afterlife? What about him?

[Ryzaki]

taliefer wrote...

im glad you have dismissed that claim. i, on the other hand, have not. it makes perfect sense to me. "/facepalm" indeed, different opinions, isnt that what one of the stated purpose of this thread is for?

i'll even explain why i feel as i do. and i will even once again preface this with stating this applies to me, and how i play games.

when i see the conversation wheel pop up, the way i interpret is these are the responses going through shepards mind at that time, and i can choose one. never have i seen the option to hit on a male squad mate. that, to me, after two games, means shepard is not gay.

So instead of being gay your Hawke's a schizophrenic?

Modifié par Ryzaki, 16 avril 2011 - 05:45 .

[lolwut666]

taliefer wrote...

im glad you have dismissed that claim. i, on the other hand, have not. it makes perfect sense to me. "/facepalm" indeed, different opinions, isnt that what one of the stated purpose of this thread is for?

i'll even explain why i feel as i do. and i will even once again preface this with stating this applies to me, and how i play games.

when i see the conversation wheel pop up, the way i interpret is these are the responses going through shepards mind at that time, and i can choose one. never have i seen the option to hit on a male squad mate. that, to me, after two games, means shepard is not gay.

To be fair, there were never any options to make Shepard act gay on any of the games because homosexualism had been scrapped before release.

You can't say that something is "canon" just because of executive meddling.

Modifié par lolwut666, 16 avril 2011 - 05:55 .

[Dante Angelo]

Jademoon121 wrote...

Dante Angelo wrote...

Dante Angelo wrote...

centauri2002 wrote...

I think some people are hung up on the masculinity factor. It's about time people got over the fact that masculine men can be gay as well.

Just look at the ancient greeks, the Cetlics, Romans, and Rob Halford

I forgot to mention the Turian Captain Preitor Gavorn

The Turian at the enterance of Afterlife? What about him?

He was masculine and according to a video in the shadow brokers hideout he is also gay.

[technoquarian]

I guess we're all forgetting that in order to be gay, a guy has to be mackin' on every other male within a one mile radius. Nevermind that he might just not find his co-workers attractive or anything. Nevermind that he might put his work before off-duty luxuries. Nope, he can't be gay because he doesn't think about hitting on someone!

Heck yes, facepalm. Way to not even consider another point of view there.

[Siansonea]

lolwut666 wrote...

To be fair, there were never any options to make Shepard act gay on any of the games because homosexualism had been scrapped before release.

You can't say that something is "canon" just because of executive meddling.

lolwut?

Who exactly are you responding to? There's this feature called "quoting" that makes this clear to everyone, just FYI.

Also FYI: There's no such word as "homosexualism". The word you're looking for is "homosexuality".

And please, by all means, define the phrase "act gay" for us. Inquiring minds want to know.

[Jademoon121]

lolwut666 wrote...

To be fair, there were never any options to make Shepard act gay on any of the games because homosexualism had been scrapped before release.

You can't say that something is "canon" just because of executive meddling.

Actually it can. They were same-sex romaces that where scripted, voiced, and are even playable to an extent. Point is that same-sex romances where only a few hours away of implentation in the game to be available for anyone who wanted to explore them.