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[george martin]

makenzieshepard wrote...

george martin wrote...

DaeJi wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

We keep hearing this but I have yet to hear a satisfactory explanation for why that is.

Meanwhile we have have Sky, Silk Fox, Liara, Leliana, Zevran, Anders, Merrill, Fenris, and Isabela for an explanation as to why bisexual love interest work.

Not the same games, this is ME3 not ME1 where you could start something like that. Intorducing it into ME3 will only screw it up for everyone who is concerned about Canon and the storyline.

THERE IS NO CANON



Casey Hudson, Ray Muzuka, Greg Zus...however you spell his name..... are all more trustworthy and knowledgeable than you on this. (And yes my people I realize the irony of calling on them )

Why do you guys get so mad that maleshep is straight? It's more than obvious but you guys want to keep tinkering with things to make you happy. The majority of people that play this game look at the majority of characters as straight after playing 2 games. Why is that such a horrible thing? Why can't we get the same consistency in the 3rd game? Do you get pissed off at trilogy moves where the main actor is straight or gay?  Then all of  sudden in the 3rd movie they do a 180? Makes no sense, you guys can justify it all you want but it's not consistent in the least.

I've worked with gay people and are friends, I could care less about their sexuality it's not important what makes them happy makes them happy. Someone posted on here that they're bi and even they look at most of the characters as straight because that's how they're portrayed. What does that tell you!? There's nothing wrong with anyone being gay, what frustrates us is that you guys want the last 2 romance stories thrown to the curb and now all of a sudden everyone is possibly bi when that was certainly not the case in the last 2  games. Anyone that looks at any consistency in story would find that a bit more than odd, even more than the little explanation we get about project Lazarus.

[Cartims]

*sniffs air*, I don't smell any farts..all lies...lol!

[Centauri2002]

lolwut666 wrote...

You were being hypocritical for defending that other individual, whose attitude prompted my reaction in the first place. Who are you to complain about insults?

But I can see you're just as conceited and obnoxious as the other one, so anything I say to you will fall on deaf ears.

Have fun smelling your own farts.

I was merely pointing out observations I had made. If you want to see that as a defence, so be it.

As for the rest of that... 

I can't possibly take that seriously so I'm going to assume you're just being silly.

[george martin]

Saeran wrote...

taliefer wrote...

you are more than welcome to call it weak if ya want, but after playing 2 games with absolutely no hint that any of my malesheps could even remotely have gay inclinations, i would find it....odd, if all of a sudden he does in ME3.

again, i dont mind games that have the option, it just would seem out of place in ME3 imo. if it had been an option from me1, then sure.

How do you know your M!Shep doesn't have gay tendencies? Apart from romancing a female in a playthrough (which some people haven't) he could be gay/straight/bisexual in anyone's playthrough. Oh that's right it's because you chose he was straight based on your pre-conceptions of gay people. Not all gay people are flamboyant or outrageous or whatever descritpive word you would like to add. My Shepard is gay, and no he hasn't stated it, but neither has he stated to the otherwise.

He either romances a woman or no one at all. Pretty clear cut, if he wanted to romance a guy in ME1 or Me2 it would have been there but it's not.

[Ryzaki]

So...following that brilliant logic all virgins are asexuals?
Everyone who doesn't date anyone out of specific group of people doesn't desire a relationship with anyone at all? 

That's some...I'm not even sure what to call that. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 16 avril 2011 - 07:14 .

[Siansonea]

rynluna wrote...

Perhaps it would be more wise to ignore certain people who refuse to answer any of the questions we keep bringing up and/or have resulted to name calling? We don't want what happened in the early days to happen again all because we couldn't ignore their silliness. ; )

Good call, and I'm supplementing that with simply reporting abusive and insulting posts.

[Jademoon121]

george martin wrote...

makenzieshepard wrote...

george martin wrote...

DaeJi wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

We keep hearing this but I have yet to hear a satisfactory explanation for why that is.

Meanwhile we have have Sky, Silk Fox, Liara, Leliana, Zevran, Anders, Merrill, Fenris, and Isabela for an explanation as to why bisexual love interest work.

Not the same games, this is ME3 not ME1 where you could start something like that. Intorducing it into ME3 will only screw it up for everyone who is concerned about Canon and the storyline.

THERE IS NO CANON



Casey Hudson, Ray Muzuka, Greg Zus...however you spell his name..... are all more trustworthy and knowledgeable than you on this. (And yes my people I realize the irony of calling on them )

Why do you guys get so mad that maleshep is straight? It's more than obvious but you guys want to keep tinkering with things to make you happy. The majority of people that play this game look at the majority of characters as straight after playing 2 games. Why is that such a horrible thing? Why can't we get the same consistency in the 3rd game? Do you get pissed off at trilogy moves where the main actor is straight or gay?  Then all of  sudden in the 3rd movie they do a 180? Makes no sense, you guys can justify it all you want but it's not consistent in the least.

I've worked with gay people and are friends, I could care less about their sexuality it's not important what makes them happy makes them happy. Someone posted on here that they're bi and even they look at most of the characters as straight because that's how they're portrayed. What does that tell you!? There's nothing wrong with anyone being gay, what frustrates us is that you guys want the last 2 romance stories thrown to the curb and now all of a sudden everyone is possibly bi when that was certainly not the case in the last 2  games. Anyone that looks at any consistency in story would find that a bit more than odd, even more than the little explanation we get about project Lazarus.

Umm..there really is no canon Shepherd. The team denies an actual Shepherd; the one we see in artwork is just a poster boy.

[catabuca]

george martin wrote...


He either romances a woman or no one at all. Pretty clear cut, if he wanted to romance a guy in ME1 or Me2 it would have been there but it's not.

My Shep did want to romance a guy in ME1&2, but he wasn't given the opportunity to.

You seem to be labouring under the impression that by adding in the option for a gay Shepard to show his attraction towards people he likes it would somehow invalidate your picture of your straight Shepard. That is simply not the case. Your Shepard could be as straight as you like. Just as a lot of our Shepards are currently gay. The addition of an option to finally allow a gay Shepard to express his attraction to someone does not nullify your game experience, it merely enriches those of other people.

[Jademoon121]

george martin wrote...

Saeran wrote...

taliefer wrote...

you are more than welcome to call it weak if ya want, but after playing 2 games with absolutely no hint that any of my malesheps could even remotely have gay inclinations, i would find it....odd, if all of a sudden he does in ME3.

again, i dont mind games that have the option, it just would seem out of place in ME3 imo. if it had been an option from me1, then sure.

How do you know your M!Shep doesn't have gay tendencies? Apart from romancing a female in a playthrough (which some people haven't) he could be gay/straight/bisexual in anyone's playthrough. Oh that's right it's because you chose he was straight based on your pre-conceptions of gay people. Not all gay people are flamboyant or outrageous or whatever descritpive word you would like to add. My Shepard is gay, and no he hasn't stated it, but neither has he stated to the otherwise.

He either romances a woman or no one at all. Pretty clear cut, if he wanted to romance a guy in ME1 or Me2 it would have been there but it's not.

So if you are only with gay men on a mission, and would only be able to romance said gay men, that would make you gay right?

[george martin]

Insom wrote...

You're in denial. Don't be surprised when Bioware makes Shepard consistent with ME1 and 2 and he's straight only in ME3. I won't be surprised. It's consistency and it's one of the few pre-defined aspects of Shepard.

Exactly, Shepard doesn't have a lot of character development but it's quite clear that he only romances women. I guess you guys want him to make an announcement on the Normandy that states exactly what his sexuality is. Why must he do that when he's already made it clear through his own personal actions?

[Siansonea]

Ryzaki wrote...

So...following that brilliant logic all virgins are asexuals?
Everyone who doesn't date anyone out of specific group of people doesn't desire a relationship with anyone at all? 

That's some...I'm not even sure what to call that. 

It's called a failure to understand logic, and it seems to be popping up all over today. <_< Clearly some people missed the character creation screen altogether, and just did the "quick start male" option.

[technoquarian]

george martin wrote...

makenzieshepard wrote...

george martin wrote...

DaeJi wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

We keep hearing this but I have yet to hear a satisfactory explanation for why that is.

Meanwhile we have have Sky, Silk Fox, Liara, Leliana, Zevran, Anders, Merrill, Fenris, and Isabela for an explanation as to why bisexual love interest work.

Not the same games, this is ME3 not ME1 where you could start something like that. Intorducing it into ME3 will only screw it up for everyone who is concerned about Canon and the storyline.

THERE IS NO CANON



Casey Hudson, Ray Muzuka, Greg Zus...however you spell his name..... are all more trustworthy and knowledgeable than you on this. (And yes my people I realize the irony of calling on them )

Why do you guys get so mad that maleshep is straight? It's more than obvious but you guys want to keep tinkering with things to make you happy. The majority of people that play this game look at the majority of characters as straight after playing 2 games. Why is that such a horrible thing? Why can't we get the same consistency in the 3rd game? Do you get pissed off at trilogy moves where the main actor is straight or gay?  Then all of  sudden in the 3rd movie they do a 180? Makes no sense, you guys can justify it all you want but it's not consistent in the least.

I've worked with gay people and are friends, I could care less about their sexuality it's not important what makes them happy makes them happy. Someone posted on here that they're bi and even they look at most of the characters as straight because that's how they're portrayed. What does that tell you!? There's nothing wrong with anyone being gay, what frustrates us is that you guys want the last 2 romance stories thrown to the curb and now all of a sudden everyone is possibly bi when that was certainly not the case in the last 2  games. Anyone that looks at any consistency in story would find that a bit more than odd, even more than the little explanation we get about project Lazarus.

Hey, Georgie!  I'm going to post this awesome link again in case you missed it earlier:
http://social.biowar...07120/1#2507455

Also requesting statistics regarding this supposed majority of straight players who are against implimenting s/s romances and a quote of the bi player who's convinced that most of the other characters are straight.

[Jademoon121]

george martin wrote...

Insom wrote...

You're in denial. Don't be surprised when Bioware makes Shepard consistent with ME1 and 2 and he's straight only in ME3. I won't be surprised. It's consistency and it's one of the few pre-defined aspects of Shepard.

Exactly, Shepard doesn't have a lot of character development but it's quite clear that he only romances women. I guess you guys want him to make an announcement on the Normandy that states exactly what his sexuality is. Why must he do that when he's already made it clear through his own personal actions?

Now you're just playing....

[jlb524]

george martin wrote...

Why do you guys get so mad that maleshep is straight? It's more than obvious but you guys want to keep tinkering with things to make you happy. The majority of people that play this game look at the majority of characters as straight after playing 2 games. Why is that such a horrible thing? Why can't we get the same consistency in the 3rd game? Do you get pissed off at trilogy moves where the main actor is straight or gay?  Then all of  sudden in the 3rd movie they do a 180? Makes no sense, you guys can justify it all you want but it's not consistent in the least.

You should really read about Type vs. Token distiction before making posts like this.

george martin wrote...
There's nothing wrong with anyone being gay, what frustrates us is that you guys want the last 2 romance stories thrown to the curb and now all of a sudden everyone is possibly bi when that was certainly not the case in the last 2  games. Anyone that looks at any consistency in story would find that a bit more than odd, even more than the little explanation we get about project Lazarus.

Again, I implore you to give exact examples and explanations as to why any of that would mess with story consistency.  Just saying 'it will' isn't really proof.

Modifié par jlb524, 16 avril 2011 - 07:19 .

[catabuca]

george martin wrote...

Insom wrote...

You're in denial. Don't be surprised when Bioware makes Shepard consistent with ME1 and 2 and he's straight only in ME3. I won't be surprised. It's consistency and it's one of the few pre-defined aspects of Shepard.

Exactly, Shepard doesn't have a lot of character development but it's quite clear that he only romances women. I guess you guys want him to make an announcement on the Normandy that states exactly what his sexuality is. Why must he do that when he's already made it clear through his own personal actions?

You're right. He has already made it clear through his own personal actions. He hasn't romanced any women because he doesn't find them sexually attractive! Awesome that we're finally on the same page.

[lolwut666]

centauri2002 wrote...

lolwut666 wrote...

You were being hypocritical for defending that other individual, whose attitude prompted my reaction in the first place. Who are you to complain about insults?

But I can see you're just as conceited and obnoxious as the other one, so anything I say to you will fall on deaf ears.

Have fun smelling your own farts.

I was merely pointing out observations I had made. If you want to see that as a defence, so be it.

As for the rest of that... 

I can't possibly take that seriously so I'm going to assume you're just being silly.

Sounds more like you're in denial.

Can't say anything back, so you have to retort to emoticons and smug dismissal.

Have it your way. I can't really takes seriously someone who thinks that psycho-lesbian/gay (don't know that individual's gender) rants make for logical argumentation.

[ADLegend21]

catabuca wrote...

george martin wrote...


He either romances a woman or no one at all. Pretty clear cut, if he wanted to romance a guy in ME1 or Me2 it would have been there but it's not.

My Shep did want to romance a guy in ME1&2, but he wasn't given the opportunity to.

You seem to be labouring under the impression that by adding in the option for a gay Shepard to show his attraction towards people he likes it would somehow invalidate your picture of your straight Shepard. That is simply not the case. Your Shepard could be as straight as you like. Just as a lot of our Shepards are currently gay. The addition of an option to finally allow a gay Shepard to express his attraction to someone does not nullify your game experience, it merely enriches those of other people.

it doesn't get much clearer than this. Just because there are gay Options, doens't mean you have to take them. There are actions you can do but don't. Options are, well, Optional. if you don't want it in your game, Don't take that option.

[Siansonea]

catabuca wrote...

george martin wrote...


He either romances a woman or no one at all. Pretty clear cut, if he wanted to romance a guy in ME1 or Me2 it would have been there but it's not.

My Shep did want to romance a guy in ME1&2, but he wasn't given the opportunity to.

You seem to be labouring under the impression that by adding in the option for a gay Shepard to show his attraction towards people he likes it would somehow invalidate your picture of your straight Shepard. That is simply not the case. Your Shepard could be as straight as you like. Just as a lot of our Shepards are currently gay. The addition of an option to finally allow a gay Shepard to express his attraction to someone does not nullify your game experience, it merely enriches those of other people.

Ever get the feeling no one's listening? I sure do. It's a shame that your points aren't being addressed 'buca, because they're really good ones. Apparently George Martin doesn't realize that you can play as female Shepard, or that you can avoid romance with females altogether as a male Shepard. Apparently he also doesn't understand that those two facts alone completely take any sort of logical basis away from his argument. Or maybe he does, and that's why he's not addressing your points. In either case, you've presented your arguments very well, and I thought you should know that.

[Centauri2002]

lolwut666 wrote...

Sounds more like you're in denial.

Can't say anything back, so you have to retort to emoticons and smug dismissal.

Have it your way. I can't really takes seriously someone who thinks that psycho-lesbian/gay (don't know that individual's gender) rants make for logical argumentation.

If you're trying to get a rise out of me, it won't work. I can say plenty back, I just won't resort to that because that's not the kind of person I am. I, at least, try to remain respectful.

Oh, and that smug dismissal was me choosing to believe you weren't just trying to sling mud and were just being a bit silly. That's an example of denial. But excuse me for choosing to see the best in people. 

Very well, since you're pushing the point, why don't you give examples of these "psycho-lesbian/gay" rants and whilst you're at it you can define what a logical argument is. I'd love to see your definition of it. 

Modifié par centauri2002, 16 avril 2011 - 07:27 .

[catabuca]

@sian - thank you so much

[Jademoon121]

Now, with that done with, let's start the verbatim James Sanders is our gay/bi choice shall we?

[Maugrim]

I vote Yes only if Catabuca also gets Kaidan for her Mshep!

Frankly I'd prefer it Kaidan was only for the MSheps

Modifié par makenzieshepard, 16 avril 2011 - 07:36 .

[KnightOfTwo]

This conversation is starting to sound like a riddle.

My Shepards are lesbian females.
My Shepards have not slept with any male character.
If one universe's Shepard leaves the citadel traveling at 100 km/h and another universe's Shepard leaves 2 hours later traveling at 250 km/h.
How is Shepard straight?

Riddles are fun.

[lolwut666]

centauri2002 wrote...

lolwut666 wrote...

Sounds more like you're in denial.

Can't say anything back, so you have to retort to emoticons and smug dismissal.

Have it your way. I can't really takes seriously someone who thinks that psycho-lesbian/gay (don't know that individual's gender) rants make for logical argumentation.

If you're trying to get a rise out of me, it won't work. I can say plenty back, I just won't resort to that because that's not the kind of person I am. I, at least, try to remain respectful.

Very well, since you're pushing the point, why don't you give examples of these "psycho-lesbian/gay" rants and whilst you're at it you can define what a logical argument is. I'd love to see your definition of it. 

How about this:

Siansonea II wrote...

lolwut666 wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

lolwut666 wrote...

To be fair, there were never any options to make Shepard act gay on any of the games because homosexualism had been scrapped before release.

You can't say that something is "canon" just because of executive meddling.

lolwut?

Who exactly are you responding to? There's this feature called "quoting" that makes this clear to everyone, just FYI.

Also FYI: There's no such word as "homosexualism". The word you're looking for is "homosexuality".

And please, by all means, define the phrase "act gay" for us. Inquiring minds want to know.

I fixed it.

I'm not used to quoting because not long ago I was posting on GameFAQs, and you can't quote there.

As for "act gay", I mean showing attraction for the same sex and all that jazz.

Anyway, I won't even bother with you because you seem like one of those neurotic people, picking every little thing apart and aching to start a fight.

Spoiling for a fight? Moi? You know what thread you're in, right? Fight for the Love?

If you aren't prepared to present your side of an argument, to give the community some logical premise to discuss, why ARE you here?

So, because Shepard never had the opportunity to show attraction for other dudes, he couldn't possibly have those feelings? If it pleases the court, I would like to substitute "other dudes" with "quarians" in that sentence and recast it in light of the Tali romance in Mass Effect 2. Shepard never said anything remotely flirtatious to Tali, AN ALIEN, in the first game. They just prattled on incessantly about geth and other boring stuff, like the fact that she can't eat human food because of her DNA chirality, the fact that her immune system is so weak that she could die of infections extremely easily, etc. Then, suddenly, in the second game, there was this entirely new dynamic between Tali and Shepard. Shepard wanted to crack open that helmet and lay one on that mug of hers. Even though SHE'S AN ALIEN. And SHE CAN'T EVEN EAT HUMAN FOOD. And even though SHE COULD DIE. I didn't hear a lot of kids complaining about this 'sudden' shift in personality on Shepard's (and Tali's) part. But go ahead, give us a litany of reasons why 'maybe' that change makes sense. Give us a list of examples in the first game of exchanges between Tali and Shepard that you think might have been flirtatious. Than I will point out the rather obvious point that you could say all those same things about KAIDAN. Oh, and he's a human that could share a meal with Shepard, and wouldn't have to shoot himself up with antibiotics just for a few minutes of heavy petting.

Did not even TRY to understand what I said. I was OPPOSING  what that taliefer fellow said. Simply choose to assume that I'm some kind of bigot.

And when called out on it, didn't even had the descency to admit to her/his/its mistake. Simply acted like a, as I had said before, "douche".

Logical argumentation? How about exposing opinions and facts in an unbiased way, without making assumptions or putting words on other people's mouths, and certainly not by making crazy rants?

Look, you're pathetic. Can say plenty back? Like what? You're gonna stick your head up your ass until I submit?

You give a bad name to the cause you defend. Who is going to pay attention to someone so self-righteous? Irrational?

Modifié par lolwut666, 16 avril 2011 - 07:37 .