Moodath wrote...
While I can understand why people would want the option of having a relationship in the game that caters to their sexual orientation, I honestly don't feel that strongly about it.
I would rather have a character that was developed from scratch and turned into a well rounded squad mate with a unique personality and backstory than a character that the developers sat down and said "Ok we need a m/m f/m character...go"
They did that with Zevran and look what we got...an elf who talks about sex every other sentence, has a fetish for leather, and grew up as a ****. Its as if they just said "Lets take every stereotype there is and call it a day."
OR they decide that an existing character needs the bi option added so they force in some terrible dialogue that doesn't fit the character's personality just so they can attempt to appease the fans (Anders/Fenris)
I don't want that with Mass Effect.
With the exception of Jack, I haven't interacted with a character that I didn't enjoy. All of them feel unique to me (except for Grunt, who is just a Wrex clone, we all know it). Why is that? Because they weren't forced characters.
If you set out to craft a character just to fulfill one goal, its gonna be a crap character.
"We need another Krogan..." = Grunt
"We need a gay stereotype elf..." = Zevran
"We need some bi romantic interests..." = Anders/Fenris Dialogue Fail
"We need a bad ass violent chick with a dark past that hates everyone...cause that totally hasn't ever been done before, ever..." = Jack
Don't force yourself to make a gay/bi/lesbian character. It will ruin the character.
Besides... Its realistic...
I was into Alistair, but he wasn't gay...too bad for me, but thats his character, and I still like him.
I liked Kaidan, but he wasn't gay...sucks to be me I spose, but again..still one of my favorite characters.
I really liked a guy during the ninth grade...guess what...he wasn't gay...sucks to be me, but thats kinda how it works. People aren't gonna be gay just because you want them to be.
People seem to forget that while Mass Effect is about letting you shape Commander Shepard, its not about letting you shape others.
Its a story. Its a book that has been made interactive. There are set endings. Characters have specific personalities.
Thats why is successful to me. Nothing was forced.
I'm not saying it would be wrong to have a gay/bi/lesbian character...i'm just saying you can't force these things for the sake of appeasing fans.
TL;DR - When you craft a character first, and build from its personality, you get Tali/Garrus/Liara...when you craft a sexual orientation and then add a character...you get Zevran...think about it.
You good sir, seem to be stating, when it comes to character definition, what I was kind of trying to state earlier but from a different angle and in a much better fashion. I tip my hat to you!
Also, Grunt wasn't just "We need another Krogan", it was "We need a Krogan who for some reason knows nothing about Krogans, so we have an excuse to go through Krogan ceremony". He's definitely more device than character, but at least they're pretty damn up front about it.
As to a lot of other people on this thread:
Something bothers me about a certain train of logic that a lot of people here are seem to keep making.
Aside from kind of ignoring the whole "burden of proof is on the on the one who claims a change in the status quo" (seriously this is Logic 101 - literally) in relation to everyone claiming that characters
could secretly been hiding their sexual orientation from their public personas this whole time.
Did everyone here suddenly forget that with the exception
of Grunt, and proportionally Liara (though she views sexuality quite differently as an Asari I'm sure) no romancable character in Mass Effect 1 or 2 is a teenager dealing with sexual identity confusion?
They are all adults. Mostly in their thirties (relative to human ages for some of the aliens) if not older. And in almost every squadmate you can get is, as a character, someone who is a self assured person in most ways.
Garrus is a guy who knows he wants to [do something dramatic to the NPC in his loyalty mission] and so he doesn't sit around and ponder about it and wonder. He makes a descision and a judgment, then asks for Shepard's help. Pretty much every loyalty mission in ME2 is like this, with there being perhaps a little more leeway in the case of Grunt and Jack.
Most folks, by the time they're this age
know how they swing, orientation wise. Especially if they're the type of descisive person who carries a battle rifle around and shoots people. Due to this, any argument about a character "realizing" or "discovering" that they're gay or bisexual would seem rather hollow, wouldn't it?
This means that the only reason they wouldn't be openly gay and/or bi would be because they were hiding this fact. But . . . why would they? Even if,
somehow the Human Alliance wasn't more accepting of homosexuality for some reason, I seriously doubt it's an issue in Citadel space, considering the Citadel council was orginally founded by the Salarians and the Asari.
The Salarians don't seem to view sex as anything other than a reproductive act and assign little emotional value to it on a personal level, so I can't imagine them caring in general.
The Asari are in general obviously OK with sleeping with either sex from another species. They're only hangup is that it not be with another
Asari.
When these viewpoints are two thirds of the ruling majority of the Galactic government, I seriously doubt that homosexuality is frowned upon in the Galaxy of Mass Effect. Maybe it would for certain less important races. The Krogan for example,
perhaps only due to the Genophage, and possibly Batarians because they
seem to be the biggest dick-heads in space, but the majority viewpoint would still probably side with the Council races, and probably with the Asari as a default.
So again, why would anyone on Shepard's crew hide their homosexual or bisexual identity? It just wouldn't make any sense.
Also I am aware of "hypocrisy" of pointing out other people's twisting logic toward their personal desires then essentially using in-game logic in just as silly a fashion shortly thereafter. So don't bother pointing that out.
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