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[Pups_of_war_76]

[quote]Creator001 wrote...


Next thing we`ll know is, bioware renaiming themselves into Gay-O-Ware.

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That wouldn't be impressively medicine-y sounding, though. 

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Why don’t we make as many bisexual characters, as there are bisexual people on this planet…
in direct percentage  proportion to straights?

I am sure you would love it! Really! It is just. 
So if we get 10 to 12 characters in ME3.. how many you should get ?
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Absolutely all of them should be flamingly pansexual. 










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[Dante Angelo]

Jademoon121 wrote...

It wouldn't be surprising to me in the very least if Ashley or Kaidan went up to femShep and manShep respectively and just start spilling their hearts out onto his feet. Spontaneous romances do happen sometimes, and I think serving on life or death missions of great importance while dealing with political drama surrounding a figure that you respect and revere(Shepherd) can be a catalyst for that.
Keep in mind that Ashely and Kaidan where planned to be s/s LI's in the first place, so whose to say that Bioware can't blow the dust of those scripts and reuse them in ME3?

I believe that is exactly what will happen. Although I would feel like a total jerk when I turn down Kaidan. Also I believe that maybe a new squadmate will be Bi possibly James Sanders

Modifié par Dante Angelo, 17 avril 2011 - 04:14 .

[Maugrim]

Nyoka wrote...

MrGone wrote...

Did everyone here suddenly forget that with the exception of Grunt, and proportionally Liara (though she views sexuality quite differently as an Asari I'm sure) no romancable character in Mass Effect 1 or 2 is a teenager dealing with sexual identity confusion? (...)

Susan Sontag was married to a man for a decade, and had a son with him. Later, she had a relationship with Annie Leibovitz for a decade and a half.

She was not a teenager.

Ricky Martin is another example of having girlfriends for years and then declaring he is gay, at the age of 38.

You seem to be making an incorrect assumption involving sexual identity and adolescence.

Most folks, by the time they're this age know how they swing, orientation wise. Especially if they're the type of descisive person who carries a battle rifle around and shoots people. Due to this, any argument about a character "realizing" or "discovering" that they're gay or bisexual would seem rather hollow, wouldn't it?

No, it wouldn't. It happens in real life, as I have showed you, unless you call every person who goes through it "hollow".

So again, why would anyone on Shepard's crew hide their homosexual or bisexual identity? It just wouldn't make any sense.

Because they are dealing with themselves or because they are afraid of the public reaction (this is Portia de Rossi's case) or because it's just nobody's business (Jodie Foster and Anderson Cooper, for instance, are of this opinion). Again, you seem to be making too many assumptions. Maybe speaking with people who have hidden their identity at some point of their life would help you understand.

Oprah Freaking Winfrey has had more than one show about the phenomenon of coming out gay/bi later in life. usually after a long marriage with children.  It doesn't get more mainstream than that.  Seriously are people being deliberately obtuse and sticking their heads in the sand going 'LALALALA everyone knows they are gay because of that one time they toddled around in their mom high heels at 3....'

Modifié par makenzieshepard, 17 avril 2011 - 04:46 .

[Turran]

I really wouldn't mind this at all, I wouldn't gain anything from it but by adding a single character, or maybe 2 to the game which are optional for same-sex romances, it wouldn't become overwhelming and would give variety.
I personally find it rather sad to see people go.. "Gay people want to play my games?!?! WHAT?!?!" or even.. "There is gay motive behind that.. *RRRAAAAGGGEEEE*", sure you can live in your little bubble world for a long time yet, hating gay advances and anything to do with that sort of thing, but reality will hit you hard.

(Just don't go all Dragon Age 2, where it is a total love orgy of everyone liking everything, that takes it too far.)

[catabuca]

Nyoka wrote...

He was picturing the action of coming out as an insecure teenager thing. Reality begs to disagree.

Indeed. And I'm sure there are more than a few people who read this thread who could attest to that themselves.

[Dante Angelo]

Turran wrote...

(Just don't go all Dragon Age 2, where it is a total love orgy of everyone liking everything, that takes it too far.)

I'm glad that I wasn't the only person who didn't like that

[Abramis brama]

halokitty wrote...

Abramis brama wrote...

Femshep/Liara, Femshep/Morinth, Femshep/Samara,  Femshep/Consort and Femshep/Shiala aren't really same-sex content. Sure codex says that Asari are female but they're one sex gender and to me they don't have a gender. Also Morinth "romance" is more of a joke.
Femshep/Kelly fling, Mordin/MShep is more of a joke/easter egg type of thing. Tali is also clearly just a friend. Didn't feel any kind of sexual tension in her discussion.
Really though it's not about same-sex content but more about the fact that Bioware have implied that shepards not gay nor never will be.

My FemShep is a lesbian and she's attracted to Liara because Liara, despite being a mono-gendered race (And that gender being female), has girl bumps and girl parts.  Whatever you may think about who your Shepard is, mine is gay.  Not heterosexual, not bisexual, absolutely, resolutely lesbian.  And that's therin lies the rub- your Shepard is who you want them to be.  You can argue all day long as to what Bioware's "intent" is or what the canon Shepard should represent, but at the end of the day we are given all these choices and options so that we may exercise them and craft the character in our universe as we see fit.  And as for my game, when my Shepard is passionately embracing Liara, with her curves and femininity, it's not because Shepard is into dudes. 

Of course I'm too just talking about my own opinion. My opinion is that if bioware adds a same-sex romance it will go against the original intent and is just pathetic attempt to get more fans to the game. So I will not buy the game because I don't want to encourage that kind of behaviour.
Also Bioware has said that the game is about Shepards personal story and is not as "configurable" and "open" in it's structure than most of Bios games. So going with DA2 route and making everyone bi(which you didn't explicitly say but I kind of read it like that) is not adding to the game but reducing from it.

And you're not allowed to argue for realism and continuity while at the
same time implying Bioware threw in a definitively lesbian relationship
with Kelly as some kind of easter egg or joke. 

Why? It definitely felt like one. Almost as if the game was saying "Hey man you forgot to romance someone. So just call up Kelly and get your fix". Just a joke that someone put into the script and nobody remembered to remove from it.

[ACC3SS]

Abramis brama wrote...
My opinion is that if bioware adds a same-sex romance it will go against the original intent and is just pathetic attempt to get more fans to the game. So I will not buy the game because I don't want to encourage that kind of behaviour.

The behavoir of wanting more fans, or the behavior of allowing same-sex romance?
Opposing the former makes you thick-headed. Opposing the latter makes you a thick-headed homophobe.

So there's your problem...

[Abramis brama]

ACC3SS wrote...

Abramis brama wrote...
My opinion is that if bioware adds a same-sex romance it will go against the original intent and is just pathetic attempt to get more fans to the game. So I will not buy the game because I don't want to encourage that kind of behaviour.

The behavoir of wanting more fans, or the behavior of allowing same-sex romance?
Opposing the former makes you thick-headed. Opposing the latter makes you a thick-headed homophobe.

So there's your problem...

Hey man I'd love dating sim COD with full gay romances too. So don't go hating on me.

[lolwut666]

They can't make EVERYONE bi because that's stupid.

If there are two male LI, for example, make one of them bi/gay and the other straight.

Otherwise it doesn't feel realistic and it's just fanservice.

[Dante Angelo]

lolwut666 wrote...

They can't make EVERYONE bi because that's stupid.

If there are two male LI, for example, make one of them bi/gay and the other straight.

Otherwise it doesn't feel realistic and it's just fanservice.

They can make everyone Bi. The question is will they. I personally hope. However as I said before I do feel that maybe they will make Kaidan, Ashley, & possibly James bi. Therefore there will be 4 bi options including Liara. I have a feeling that Garrus, Tali( if she's a squadmate), Miranda( chances are she's a squadmate), & some male Squadmate possibly Jacob will be straight. I didn't put Thane in because I have a feeling he died nor did I put Jack in because she might've left

[Maugrim]

Abramis brama wrote...

Hey man I'd love dating sim COD with full gay romances too. So don't go hating on me.

lolwut666 wrote...

They can't make EVERYONE bi because that's stupid.

If there are two male LI, for example, make one of them bi/gay and the other straight.

Otherwise it doesn't feel realistic and it's just fanservice.

Uh-Huh...

[lolwut666]

makenzieshepard wrote...

Abramis brama wrote...

Hey man I'd love dating sim COD with full gay romances too. So don't go hating on me.

lolwut666 wrote...

They can't make EVERYONE bi because that's stupid.

If there are two male LI, for example, make one of them bi/gay and the other straight.

Otherwise it doesn't feel realistic and it's just fanservice.

Uh-Huh...

I don't know what you are trying to say.

To further my point of view, I think you are all hypocrites. ME's fandom is always demanding more realism, and praising the game for its realistic character development, interaction and moral choices, and yet you demand something as outlandish as every love interest being bi.

Do you even go oustide? Do you ever leave your home to know what real people are like?

Assuming you have a job, do you seriously think that every man - assuming you are an homosexual - in your workplace will be swayed by your advances?

Wake up.

Modifié par lolwut666, 17 avril 2011 - 05:58 .

[jlb524]

Now I wonder what are these magical steps a writer must undertake in order to create a real and believable bisexual character?

Abramis brama wrote...

Consistency should be the most important thing. Just suddenly making U-turns and changing something vital is just stupid(sexuality is one of the most important things for human being).

By reasonable fanbase I mean one that doesn't just want romances for romances sake but actually wants consistent character development. Though it's also more conservative.

Yes, it's not like the Mass Effect fanbase relentlessly begged BioWare to make Tali and Garrus LIs in ME2 after they weren't in ME1 and showed no interest in Shepard (and vice versa).  Oh, wait....

Modifié par jlb524, 17 avril 2011 - 05:57 .

[Ryzaki]

Now jib you know everyone's heterosexual until they prove otherwise.

[Dante Angelo]

lolwut666 wrote...

makenzieshepard wrote...

Abramis brama wrote...

Hey man I'd love dating sim COD with full gay romances too. So don't go hating on me.

lolwut666 wrote...

They can't make EVERYONE bi because that's stupid.

If there are two male LI, for example, make one of them bi/gay and the other straight.

Otherwise it doesn't feel realistic and it's just fanservice.

Uh-Huh...

I don't know what you are trying to say.

To further my point of view, I think you are all hypocrites. ME's fandom is always demanding more realism, and praising the game for its realistic character development, interaction and moral choices, and yet you demand something as outlandish as every love interest being bi.

Do you even go oustide? Do you ever leave your home to know what real people are like?

Assuming you have a job, do you seriously think that every man - assuming you are an homosexual - in your workplace will be swayed by your advances?

Wake up.

WHOA dude turn your Hate-o-meter down a little bit

[Pups_of_war_76]

Wait, against what original intent would it be?

[Cootie]

I think the original intent was to have homosexual LI options, by the by. Just, you know, making sure we don't forget.

[didymos1120]

Pups_of_war_76 wrote...

Wait, against what original intent would it be?

The one he just assumed, obviously. 

[Jademoon121]

Dante Angelo wrote...

Jademoon121 wrote...

It wouldn't be surprising to me in the very least if Ashley or Kaidan went up to femShep and manShep respectively and just start spilling their hearts out onto his feet. Spontaneous romances do happen sometimes, and I think serving on life or death missions of great importance while dealing with political drama surrounding a figure that you respect and revere(Shepherd) can be a catalyst for that.
Keep in mind that Ashely and Kaidan where planned to be s/s LI's in the first place, so whose to say that Bioware can't blow the dust of those scripts and reuse them in ME3?

I believe that is exactly what will happen. Although I would feel like a total jerk when I turn down Kaidan. Also I believe that maybe a new squadmate will be Bi possibly James Sanders

That's my hope too. What other reason would Bioware put a new, male, alliance soldier in Shepherd's party outside of maybe story progression? People where clamouring for the british dude in Big Ben in the trailer in being Shepherd's LI, so maybe they're connected....

Modifié par Jademoon121, 17 avril 2011 - 06:12 .

[LiquidGrape]

lolwut666 wrote...

To further my point of view, I think you are all hypocrites. ME's fandom is always demanding more realism, and praising the game for its realistic character development, interaction and moral choices, and yet you demand something as outlandish as every love interest being bi.

Do you even go oustide? Do you ever leave your home to know what real people are like?

Assuming you have a job, do you seriously think that every man - assuming you are an homosexual - in your workplace will be swayed by your advances?

Wake up.

Step away from that strawman, Sir. Keep your hands where I can see 'em.

1. Nobody is making any demands. We merely suggest, pointing out inconsistencies in the arguments opposed in the process. If you've managed to misconstrue our intentions, the error is yours, and yours alone.

2. It's not really relevant for this discussion, but you claim ME's fandom is "always demanding more realism"?
I thought any pretense of realism went out the window by the time we were allowed to make amorous advances towards other species rather than our own sex.
But if you want to talk about realism, wouldn't you think that sexual prejudice is likely to be virtually nonexistent by the 22nd century?

3. Anyway, the reason "realism" isn't relevant to this discusison is a) this is a fictional universe involving an army of cybernetic Cthulhu's, and your own perception of reality seems to be coloured by a strictly heteronormative point of view.
Nobody here is saying that everyone in the world is ******/bisexual (nor have I seen anyone suggest that all potential love interests be), but your own angle seems to be that barely anyone is.
If the possibility of several characters being bisexual undermines ones suspension of disbelief, one is operating on some fairly outdated software.

Modifié par LiquidGrape, 17 avril 2011 - 06:17 .

[Ryzaki]

I agree about the everyone being bi being ridiculous to do at this point. Not because it would be remarkably out of character but because at this point we have 8 LIs and then would need to do an additional romance path for each of them, then of course people will want romance them with an opposite gendered Shepard late and then there's even more variation. Then the LIs will need to acknowledge the differences in relationships and ugh. It gets messy. It makes far more sense in something like DA2 where there are only 4 LIs to start with and their romance path was just being written.

I could see this working for 4 characters. But 8? That gets ridiculous.

So while I would personally prefer Kaidan being made bi I would be just fine with a new male (say Joker) becoming a bi LI instead. (Or even a new character all together.)

[didymos1120]

lolwut666 wrote...

To further my point of view, I think you are all hypocrites.

I think you meant "To make a baseless, needlessly hostile assertion and to overgeneralize like crazy..."