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[Jademoon121]

lolwut666 wrote...

makenzieshepard wrote...

Abramis brama wrote...

Hey man I'd love dating sim COD with full gay romances too. So don't go hating on me.

lolwut666 wrote...

They can't make EVERYONE bi because that's stupid.

If there are two male LI, for example, make one of them bi/gay and the other straight.

Otherwise it doesn't feel realistic and it's just fanservice.

Uh-Huh...

I don't know what you are trying to say.

To further my point of view, I think you are all hypocrites. ME's fandom is always demanding more realism, and praising the game for its realistic character development, interaction and moral choices, and yet you demand something as outlandish as every love interest being bi.

Do you even go oustide? Do you ever leave your home to know what real people are like?

Assuming you have a job, do you seriously think that every man - assuming you are an homosexual - in your workplace will be swayed by your advances?

Wake up.

/sighs

Again, we are only asking for some same-sex action to go with manShep; not turning the Normandy into a Pride float, not making Bioware take an official stance on homosexuality, and certainly not trying to make everybody bi. Stop making these allegations.
Of course we want realism, everyone does, but having one or two characers swing differently isn't going to break immersion.

Modifié par Jademoon121, 17 avril 2011 - 06:18 .

[lolwut666]

LiquidGrape wrote...

lolwut666 wrote...

To further my point of view, I think you are all hypocrites. ME's fandom is always demanding more realism, and praising the game for its realistic character development, interaction and moral choices, and yet you demand something as outlandish as every love interest being bi.

Do you even go oustide? Do you ever leave your home to know what real people are like?

Assuming you have a job, do you seriously think that every man - assuming you are an homosexual - in your workplace will be swayed by your advances?

Wake up.

Step away from that strawman, Sir. Keep your hands where I can see 'em.

1. Nobody is making any demands. We merely suggest, pointing out inconsistencies in the arguments opposed in the process. If you've managed to misconstrue our intentions, the error is yours, and yours alone.

2. It's not really relevant for this discussion, but you claim ME's fandom is "always demanding more realism"?
I thought any pretense of realism went out the window by the time we were allowed to make amorous advances towards other species rather than our own sex.
But if you want to talk about realism, wouldn't you think that sexual prejudice is likely to be virtually nonexistent by the 22nd century?

3. Anyway, the reason "realism" isn't relevant to this discusison is a) this is a fictional universe involving an army of cybernetic Cthulhu's, and your own perception of reality seems to be coloured by a strictly heteronormative point of view.
Nobody here is saying that everyone in the world is ******/bisexual, but your own angle seems to be that barely anyone is.
If the possibility of several characters being bisexual undermines ones suspension of disbelief, one is operating on some fairly outdated software.

1. I thought the title of this thread is "fight for the love", and from the post I've read, this is a very rabid fandom. You can't just try to tone down your intentions when you're called out on it.

2. That's a strawman argument. Alien X human sex was still male X female. Males mate with females on every species that have reproductive urges, while homosexualism is not as common. I'm not saying it should not exist (you'd know that if you actually read what I wrote), but trying to impose something like "everyone is bi" is ridiculous.

3. You pretentiously assume that, just because homosexualism is more widely accepted in the future, that everybody would have homosexual tendencies. And how am I saying that "barely anyone is"? How many love interests there could possibly be? Probably three for each sex, like in the second Mass Effect. I'm proposing to make some of them gay, while some of them are purely straight, while the purpose of this thread seem to be making ALL of them bi. In that case, YOU are the one assuming something, and that something is that BARELY ANYONE IS STRAIGHT.

Modifié par lolwut666, 17 avril 2011 - 06:23 .

[Maugrim]

lolwut666 wrote...

I don't know what you are trying to say.

To further my point of view, I think you are all hypocrites. ME's fandom is always demanding more realism, and praising the game for its realistic character development, interaction and moral choices, and yet you demand something as outlandish as every love interest being bi.

Do you even go oustide? Do you ever leave your home to know what real people are like?

Assuming you have a job, do you seriously think that every man - assuming you are an homosexual - in your workplace will be swayed by your advances?

Wake up.

I think I'm going to play Ashley on this one because other people say what I mean better than I do.

Re: Your real world and realism.

"Then all I can say is that, in that case, the made-up things seem a good deal more important than the real ones. Suppose this black pit of a kingdom of yours is the only world. Well, it strikes me as a pretty poor one. And that's a funny thing, when you come to think of it. We're just babies making up a game, if you're right. But four babies playing a game can make a play-world which licks your real world hollow. That's why I'm going to stand by the play world." -Puddleglum, The Silver Chair by C.S. Lewis

P.S. The play world turns out to be the real one btw.

And for some reason it has always made me happy that in the one in a gazillion chance that I ever publish something I will have the same first two initial as Mr. Lewis.  Silly I know.

Modifié par makenzieshepard, 17 avril 2011 - 06:23 .

[Ryzaki]

That's a strawman argument. Alien X human sex was still male X female. Males mate with females on every species that have reproductive urges, while homosexualism is not as common. I'm not saying it should not exist (you'd know that if you actually read what I wrote), but trying to impose something like "everyone is bi" is ridiculous.

...did you just say it makes more sense to have sex with something outside your species than outside your gender? Just because the other species is the opposite sex?

LOL

[didymos1120]

lolwut666 wrote...

2. That's a strawman argument.

Um, was he misrepresenting your position in order to attack it?  No, he was simply disputing your "fanbase demands realism" premise.  NOT a strawman argument. You need use words more gooder.

[Dante Angelo]

lolwut666 wrote...

1. I thought the title of this thread is "fight for the love", and from the post I've read, this is a very rabid fandom. You can't just try to tone down your intentions when you're called out on it.

Wait a minute your calling us rabid?  If anyone here is rabid it's you

[didymos1120]

Ryzaki wrote...

...did you just say it makes more sense to have sex with something outside your species than outside your gender? Just because the other species is the opposite sex?

LOL

Well, clearly that's more natural.  Or something.

[Jademoon121]

lolwut666 wrote...

LiquidGrape wrote...

lolwut666 wrote...

To further my point of view, I think you are all hypocrites. ME's fandom is always demanding more realism, and praising the game for its realistic character development, interaction and moral choices, and yet you demand something as outlandish as every love interest being bi.

Do you even go oustide? Do you ever leave your home to know what real people are like?

Assuming you have a job, do you seriously think that every man - assuming you are an homosexual - in your workplace will be swayed by your advances?

Wake up.

Step away from that strawman, Sir. Keep your hands where I can see 'em.

1. Nobody is making any demands. We merely suggest, pointing out inconsistencies in the arguments opposed in the process. If you've managed to misconstrue our intentions, the error is yours, and yours alone.

2. It's not really relevant for this discussion, but you claim ME's fandom is "always demanding more realism"?
I thought any pretense of realism went out the window by the time we were allowed to make amorous advances towards other species rather than our own sex.
But if you want to talk about realism, wouldn't you think that sexual prejudice is likely to be virtually nonexistent by the 22nd century?

3. Anyway, the reason "realism" isn't relevant to this discusison is a) this is a fictional universe involving an army of cybernetic Cthulhu's, and your own perception of reality seems to be coloured by a strictly heteronormative point of view.
Nobody here is saying that everyone in the world is ******/bisexual, but your own angle seems to be that barely anyone is.
If the possibility of several characters being bisexual undermines ones suspension of disbelief, one is operating on some fairly outdated software.

1. I thought the title of this thread is "fight for the love", and from the post I've read, this is a very rabid fandom. You can't just try to tone down your intentions when you're called out on it.

2. That's a strawman argument. Alien X human sex was still male X female. Males mate with females on every species that have reproductive urges, while homosexualism is not as common. I'm not saying it should not exist (you'd know that if you actually read what I wrote), but trying to impose something like "everyone is bi" is ridiculous.

3. You pretentiously assume that, just because homosexualism is more widely accepted in the future, that everybody would have homosexual tendencies. And how am I saying that "barely anyone is"? How many love interests there could possibly be? Probably three for each sex, like in the second Mass Effect. I'm proposing to make some of them gay, while some of them are purely straight, while the purpose of this thread seem to be making ALL of them bi. In that case, YOU are the one assuming something, and that something is that BARELY ANYONE IS STRAIGHT.

1. You're on a same-sex topic full of homosexual and bisexual posters and supporters. Don't be shocked when you're met with antagonism.

2. Problem, you're doing it with creatures far away from human evolution. Tali's and Garrus' acidic and protien structures and bases are different from humans. In other words, chances of having children with them is as possible in a heterosexual relationship as in a homosexual relationship.
TL;DR, it's xenophilia in the highest degree, biologically.

3.NO ONE wants to make everyone bi. That's been established more than once.

Modifié par Jademoon121, 17 avril 2011 - 06:36 .

[lolwut666]

didymos1120 wrote...

lolwut666 wrote...

2. That's a strawman argument.

Um, was he misrepresenting your position in order to attack it?  No, he was simply disputing your "fanbase demands realism" premise.  NOT a strawman argument. You need use words more gooder.

He took "realism" as I used on my post out of context and tried to use it to attack me. I made very clear that I was refering to realistic character interactions, moral choices and character development, while he threw aliens and laser beams into the mix. I'm not talking about the realism of the setting, but the realism of the characters.

You need to learn how to read.

[catabuca]

Cootie wrote...

I think the original intent was to have homosexual LI options, by the by. Just, you know, making sure we don't forget.

Indeed.

The release of DA2 has bouyed many of us a great deal. To see a game that actually has decided to give players of homosexual PCs a CHOICE, and actual choice, in who they pursue in the game, is astounding, and so many people are utterly overjoyed.

We are also aware, however, that DA and ME are different IPs, and, as Cootie stated, the original intent of this thread was to discuss the inclusion of s/s content in the game, even if it is just one character per gender. That in itself would be a great move for the franchise in my eyes at least, and while it would be a truly amazing day if they decided to include 2 options per gender, so there was again a real choice, just like heterosexual PCs get, it isn't something anyone is demanding, nor, I suspect, even expecting. Not in ME3 at any rate.

So regardless of the discussions of how DA2 implemented the LI options, regardless of opinions on whether Shepard can be gay or not (s/he can), and regardless of discussions of real world (and utterly pointless to the game world) statistics on sexual preferences, I'll continue to discuss the possibility of players of a male PC finally getting the same option afforded players of a female PC, the option of being able to identify as gay or bisexual, and to be able to pursue a romance appropriate to that orientation within the game.

[Centauri2002]

Dante Angelo wrote...

WHOA dude turn your Hate-o-meter down a little bit

It goes all the way up to eleven. 

(Where I believe it might possibly have gotten stuck.)

[lolwut666]

centauri2002 wrote...

Dante Angelo wrote...

WHOA dude turn your Hate-o-meter down a little bit

It goes all the way up to eleven. 

(Where I believe it might possibly have gotten stuck.)

You assume that anybody who disagrees with you is a hater; worse, you don't even contribute to this thread in any form besides sucking up to the same sex LI fandom.

Useless.

Keep trying to fit in. That seems to be all you can do.

Modifié par lolwut666, 17 avril 2011 - 06:40 .

[catabuca]

People resorting to personal attacks will be reported to mods. Action has been taken against them in the past, and will likely in the future. Just a friendly warning. Play nicely. Everyone.

[Jademoon121]

catabuca wrote...

People resorting to personal attacks will be reported to mods. Action has been taken against them in the past, and will likely in the future. Just a friendly warning. Play nicely. Everyone.

/sighs

Yeessss ssiiiirrrr <_<

[Dante Angelo]

lolwut666 wrote...

centauri2002 wrote...

Dante Angelo wrote...

WHOA dude turn your Hate-o-meter down a little bit

It goes all the way up to eleven. 

(Where I believe it might possibly have gotten stuck.)

You assume that anybody who disagrees with you is a hater; worse, you don't even contribute to this thread in any form besides sucking up to the same sex LI fandom.

Useless.

Keep trying to fit in. That seems to be all you can do.

I wasn't calling a hater because I don't agree with you I was calling you a hater because of your insult that made in one of your previous comments.

Modifié par Dante Angelo, 17 avril 2011 - 06:45 .

[Centauri2002]

lolwut666 wrote...

You assume that anybody who disagrees with you is a hater; worse, you don't even contribute to this thread in any form besides sucking up to the same sex LI fandom.

Useless.

Keep trying to fit in. That seems to be all you can do.

I've made my contribution. Now I'm just sitting back and watching you fight every single person in this thread. It is quite entertaining but a little counter productive. Wouldn't it be much more helpful to your argument if you were a little... nicer? 

I don't need to try and fit in, I'm not insecure about my place. :3

And I don't believe I've called anyone a hater. I have stated previously that you've said hateful things though. But that's not because you disagree. I can respect differences in opinions, as evidenced by many of my posts. However, there is no excuse for throwing insults around.

Just take a step back, take a breath, and try to treat people with respect. You might be surprised by the results you get. 

Modifié par centauri2002, 17 avril 2011 - 06:54 .

[LiquidGrape]

lolwut666 wrote...

1. I thought the title of this thread is "fight for the love", and from the post I've read, this is a very rabid fandom. You can't just try to tone down your intentions when you're called out on it.

2. That's a strawman argument. Alien X human sex was still male X female. Males mate with females on every species that have reproductive urges, while homosexualism is not as common. I'm not saying it should not exist (you'd know that if you actually read what I wrote), but trying to impose something like "everyone is bi" is ridiculous.

3. You pretentiously assume that, just because homosexualism is more widely accepted in the future, that everybody would have homosexual tendencies. And how am I saying that "barely anyone is"? How many love interests there could possibly be? Probably three for each sex, like in the second Mass Effect. I'm proposing to make some of them gay, while some of them are purely straight, while the purpose of this thread seem to be making ALL of them bi. In that case, YOU are the one assuming something, and that something is that BARELY ANYONE IS STRAIGHT.

I don't see how the title of the thread, being a clever little play on the "Fight for the Lost" tagline under which ME2 was released, somehow implies anything about the thread's actual contents. Now, if you wonder why the last couple of pages have been a little more "lively" than usual, you might find that people tend to enter the thread merely to antagonise and ridicule, which sets the tone of the conversation for a while.
I'm not pointing fingers here, just trying to explain why you might've thought of the defense as rather...defensive.

Now, I'll admit that saying your angle seemed to be that "barely anyone is" [bisexual] was a tad underdeveloped.
What it should've read is "your angle seems to be that barely anyone is likely to be".
Why do I say that? Because your comments suggest that a larger gathering of bisexuals in one place must obviously be something conspicuous.
Not saying such was your intention, but the manner in which you've presented your opinion came off as rather confrontational. While we're on the subject, I would like to assure you that I never meant to attack you. I simply responded in a tone which I thought was light-hearted. If it didn't translate as such, my apologies.

As for me assuming that barely anyone is straight, no. I'm straight, and I know there's a pretty hefty number of us around. I just don't subscribe to the notion of assuming people are.

Finally, I'll say it once more: nobody here is demanding anything, especially not that they make every potential love interest bisexual. Some pople have observed that BioWare could make them all bisexual, which technically, they certainly could. But I don't see anyone proposing that they actually do, if that is where your issue lies.

Either way, catacuba is right. We need to chill, people!

Modifié par LiquidGrape, 17 avril 2011 - 06:55 .

[catabuca]

Jademoon121 wrote...

catabuca wrote...

People resorting to personal attacks will be reported to mods. Action has been taken against them in the past, and will likely in the future. Just a friendly warning. Play nicely. Everyone.

/sighs

Yeessss ssiiiirrrr <_<

I merely exist to spoil everyone's fun. You should know that by now. 

[Jademoon121]

Can we start talking about potential male LI's now?

[Centauri2002]

Jademoon121 wrote...

Can we start talking about potential male LI's now?

All right, I'll indulge. Who would be your perfect male LI in Mass Effect 3? Go. 

Modifié par centauri2002, 17 avril 2011 - 07:04 .

[didymos1120]

lolwut666 wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

lolwut666 wrote...

2. That's a strawman argument.

Um, was he misrepresenting your position in order to attack it?  No, he was simply disputing your "fanbase demands realism" premise.  NOT a strawman argument. You need use words more gooder.

He took "realism" as I used on my post out of context and tried to use it to attack me. I made very clear that I was refering to realistic character interactions, moral choices and character development, while he threw aliens and laser beams into the mix. I'm not talking about the realism of the setting, but the realism of the characters.

You need to learn how to read.

Considering he was addressing the highly topic-relevant subject of romances and said nary a word about laser beams in the numbered point to which you were responding....yeah, the reading comprehension problem ain't mine. 

ETA: Sorry, hadn't read ahead yet.

Modifié par didymos1120, 17 avril 2011 - 07:11 .

[Jademoon121]

centauri2002 wrote...

Jademoon121 wrote...

Can we start talking about potential male LI's now?

All right, I'll indulge. Who would be your perfect male LI in Mass Effect 3? Go. 

Umm....Garrus? Or a human like Garrus?

[Dante Angelo]

Jademoon121 wrote...

centauri2002 wrote...

Jademoon121 wrote...

Can we start talking about potential male LI's now?

All right, I'll indulge. Who would be your perfect male LI in Mass Effect 3? Go. 

Umm....Garrus? Or a human like Garrus?

And his name shall be Garret

[Centauri2002]

Jademoon121 wrote...

Umm....Garrus? Or a human like Garrus?

So if Sanders turns out to be similar to Garrus, if a bit fresh to the Reaper threat, and romanceable by MaleShep... that would suit you?

[Saeran]

Hendel Mitra. Yes.