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[Jademoon121]

centauri2002 wrote...

For some reason the thought of an all-female race being able to reproduce amongst themselves appeals to me. I can't imagine why.

Maybe the Turian's are like that? We haven't seen any females so far except in dialogue and comics, so maybe Turian's are all male. Like alien Spartans(minus the pederesty....and helots....and women) or something.

I wish anyway.....it would be so bad batarian face.

[Dante Angelo]

Jademoon121 wrote...

centauri2002 wrote...

For some reason the thought of an all-female race being able to reproduce amongst themselves appeals to me. I can't imagine why.

Maybe the Turian's are like that? We haven't seen any females so far except in dialogue and comics, so maybe Turian's are all male. Like alien Spartans(minus the pederesty....and helots....and women) or something.

I wish anyway.....it would be so bad batarian face.

I always thought the Salarians were all male

[Jademoon121]

Dante Angelo wrote...

Jademoon121 wrote...

centauri2002 wrote...

For some reason the thought of an all-female race being able to reproduce amongst themselves appeals to me. I can't imagine why.

Maybe the Turian's are like that? We haven't seen any females so far except in dialogue and comics, so maybe Turian's are all male. Like alien Spartans(minus the pederesty....and helots....and women) or something.

I wish anyway.....it would be so bad batarian face.

I always thought the Salarians were all male

Most salarians are male, like a three to one ratio. So to protect their race the females are kept at their home world taking care of the young and domestic issues while the men are out bringin in the credits. To their benefit of course, Salarian government is matriarcal.

Modifié par Jademoon121, 17 avril 2011 - 08:44 .

[george martin]

centauri2002 wrote...

@george martin: You mean changes like Tali and Garrus suddenly being interested in Shepard in ME2 when they weren't in ME1? Or is that okay since they're heterosexual?

Is that such a big leap? They're in ME1 and 2, they have a lot of history starting out as a squad who all have one goal in mind, stopping Saren. They've been through the most amazing events anyone could imagine, the fact that they develop feelings for each other is not surprising at all.

The fact that they're straight offends you. Why? Must they be bi or gay? You yourself said they don't have to declare it that would be silly and I agree. The point we disagree on with you guys the most is inconsistency. Dialogue and romantic scenes clearly lay out sexual preferences for the squad, there are bi and gay players that agree with this view! Femshep definitely has some lez tendencies or bi whatever you prefer but even those are limited too. Maleshep is James Bond in ME there is no question of that.

Does anyone get pissed off that James Bonds never has same sex romances in a movie? How come he never swings the other way? Because it's quite clear he's not gay. You guys remember kelly in ME2? That you remind you of anyone from James Bond? ME3 won't be any different because it would really alter the sexual landscape which has already been laid out, and lend belief to the fact that some squad members and Shep were in the closet. Utterly ridiculous, they can stop Sovereign and the Collectors but not come out until ME3 with their other sexual desires? I'm sorry but it's just not in the least bit believable.

[Saeran]

george martin wrote...

centauri2002 wrote...

@george martin: You mean changes like Tali and Garrus suddenly being interested in Shepard in ME2 when they weren't in ME1? Or is that okay since they're heterosexual?

Is that such a big leap? They're in ME1 and 2, they have a lot of history starting out as a squad who all have one goal in mind, stopping Saren. They've been through the most amazing events anyone could imagine, the fact that they develop feelings for each other is not surprising at all.

The fact that they're straight offends you. Why? Must they be bi or gay? You yourself said they don't have to declare it that would be silly and I agree. The point we disagree on with you guys the most is inconsistency. Dialogue and romantic scenes clearly lay out sexual preferences for the squad, there are bi and gay players that agree with this view! Femshep definitely has some lez tendencies or bi whatever you prefer but even those are limited too. Maleshep is James Bond in ME there is no question of that.

The fact that they are straight offends no one. You seem very supportive of retconning that suits your particular stance however.

[Centauri2002]

george martin wrote...

Is that such a big leap? They're in ME1 and 2, they have a lot of history starting out as a squad who all have one goal in mind, stopping Saren. They've been through the most amazing events anyone could imagine, the fact that they develop feelings for each other is not surprising at all.

The fact that they're straight offends you. Why? Must they be bi or gay? You yourself said they don't have to declare it that would be silly and I agree. The point we disagree on with you guys the most is inconsistency. Dialogue and romantic scenes clearly lay out sexual preferences for the squad, there are bi and gay players that agree with this view! Femshep definitely has some lez tendencies or bi whatever you prefer but even those are limited too. Maleshep is James Bond in ME there is no question of that.

Does anyone get pissed off that James Bonds never has same sex romances in a movie? How come he never swings the other way? Because it's quite clear he's not gay. You guys remember kelly in ME2? That you remind you of anyone from James Bond? ME3 won't be any different because it would really alter the sexual landscape which has already been laid out, and lend belief to the fact that some squad members and Shep were in the closet. Utterly ridiculous, they can stop Sovereign and the Collectors but not come out until ME3 with their other sexual desires? I'm sorry but it's just not in the least bit believable.

You've misinterpretted what I've said. Characters being straight doesn't offend me in the slightest. I just take issue with people assuming they're straight because they haven't stated otherwise. Is it so much of a leap for Ashley to be bisexual, for example, and for her to form an attraction for FemShep after the events of the Mass Effect games? There's not much difference there. Most races are attracted to other members of their races. That's how we're built so we can reproduce. Asari are an exception to this rule, apparently, since they have broad appeal. So let's leave them out of it for now. So it seems just as likely that Tali will suddenly announce her love for Shepard as Kaiden would. 

James Bond doesn't work as a parallel. He's a consistent character from a book. Books lead you by the hand throughout the story. You don't make choices, you don't create anything, it's all laid out for you. In a game, particularly one like Mass Effect, your decisions shape the world around you. More importantly, your decisions shape your character; from gender to appearance to personality.

[didymos1120]

Jademoon121 wrote...
Most salarians are male, like a three to one ratio.

It's even more extreme than that: 90%

[Jademoon121]

didymos1120 wrote...

Jademoon121 wrote...
Most salarians are male, like a three to one ratio.

It's even more extreme than that: 90%

Dang 

Thank goodness I suppose that Salarians don't have sex drives.

[Jademoon121]

george martin wrote...

centauri2002 wrote...

@george martin: You mean changes like Tali and Garrus suddenly being interested in Shepard in ME2 when they weren't in ME1? Or is that okay since they're heterosexual?

Is that such a big leap? They're in ME1 and 2, they have a lot of history starting out as a squad who all have one goal in mind, stopping Saren. They've been through the most amazing events anyone could imagine, the fact that they develop feelings for each other is not surprising at all.

The fact that they're straight offends you. Why? Must they be bi or gay? You yourself said they don't have to declare it that would be silly and I agree. The point we disagree on with you guys the most is inconsistency. Dialogue and romantic scenes clearly lay out sexual preferences for the squad, there are bi and gay players that agree with this view! Femshep definitely has some lez tendencies or bi whatever you prefer but even those are limited too. Maleshep is James Bond in ME there is no question of that.

Does anyone get pissed off that James Bonds never has same sex romances in a movie? How come he never swings the other way? Because it's quite clear he's not gay. You guys remember kelly in ME2? That you remind you of anyone from James Bond? ME3 won't be any different because it would really alter the sexual landscape which has already been laid out, and lend belief to the fact that some squad members and Shep were in the closet. Utterly ridiculous, they can stop Sovereign and the Collectors but not come out until ME3 with their other sexual desires? I'm sorry but it's just not in the least bit believable.

You're repeating yourself.....again.

[george martin]

Saeran wrote...

george martin wrote...

centauri2002 wrote...

@george martin: You mean changes like Tali and Garrus suddenly being interested in Shepard in ME2 when they weren't in ME1? Or is that okay since they're heterosexual?

Is that such a big leap? They're in ME1 and 2, they have a lot of history starting out as a squad who all have one goal in mind, stopping Saren. They've been through the most amazing events anyone could imagine, the fact that they develop feelings for each other is not surprising at all.

The fact that they're straight offends you. Why? Must they be bi or gay? You yourself said they don't have to declare it that would be silly and I agree. The point we disagree on with you guys the most is inconsistency. Dialogue and romantic scenes clearly lay out sexual preferences for the squad, there are bi and gay players that agree with this view! Femshep definitely has some lez tendencies or bi whatever you prefer but even those are limited too. Maleshep is James Bond in ME there is no question of that.

The fact that they are straight offends no one. You seem very supportive of retconning that suits your particular stance however.

Particular stance? Do you think they'd come out with a James Bond movie where he has a same sex romance? Wouldn't work for maleshep either.

[Saeran]

george martin wrote...

Saeran wrote...

george martin wrote...

centauri2002 wrote...

@george martin: You mean changes like Tali and Garrus suddenly being interested in Shepard in ME2 when they weren't in ME1? Or is that okay since they're heterosexual?

Is that such a big leap? They're in ME1 and 2, they have a lot of history starting out as a squad who all have one goal in mind, stopping Saren. They've been through the most amazing events anyone could imagine, the fact that they develop feelings for each other is not surprising at all.

The fact that they're straight offends you. Why? Must they be bi or gay? You yourself said they don't have to declare it that would be silly and I agree. The point we disagree on with you guys the most is inconsistency. Dialogue and romantic scenes clearly lay out sexual preferences for the squad, there are bi and gay players that agree with this view! Femshep definitely has some lez tendencies or bi whatever you prefer but even those are limited too. Maleshep is James Bond in ME there is no question of that.

The fact that they are straight offends no one. You seem very supportive of retconning that suits your particular stance however.

Particular stance? Do you think they'd come out with a James Bond movie where he has a same sex romance? Wouldn't work for maleshep either.

That's a cool story 'bro, because you know... you decide alot of the aspects of James Bond's life. Is that how this works? I mean you get to choose his background, whether he's a male or female. Whether he decides to punch the reporter in the face or stand his ground with the use of words. Oh no wait sorry.. different point altogether.

[Jademoon121]

george martin wrote...

Saeran wrote...

george martin wrote...

centauri2002 wrote...

@george martin: You mean changes like Tali and Garrus suddenly being interested in Shepard in ME2 when they weren't in ME1? Or is that okay since they're heterosexual?

Is that such a big leap? They're in ME1 and 2, they have a lot of history starting out as a squad who all have one goal in mind, stopping Saren. They've been through the most amazing events anyone could imagine, the fact that they develop feelings for each other is not surprising at all.

The fact that they're straight offends you. Why? Must they be bi or gay? You yourself said they don't have to declare it that would be silly and I agree. The point we disagree on with you guys the most is inconsistency. Dialogue and romantic scenes clearly lay out sexual preferences for the squad, there are bi and gay players that agree with this view! Femshep definitely has some lez tendencies or bi whatever you prefer but even those are limited too. Maleshep is James Bond in ME there is no question of that.

The fact that they are straight offends no one. You seem very supportive of retconning that suits your particular stance however.

Particular stance? Do you think they'd come out with a James Bond movie where he has a same sex romance? Wouldn't work for maleshep either.

If the writing, plot, charactarization, and setting is good, it's entirely plossible.
It's a STORY. You shape it on how you make it. If the makers of James Bond wants him to jump borders, he can do so. If I, the maker of Judas Shepherd, wants him to jump borders, I can do so.

Modifié par Jademoon121, 17 avril 2011 - 09:02 .

[Saeran]

And it goes over.. and over.. and over..

[Centauri2002]

george martin wrote...

Particular stance? Do you think they'd come out with a James Bond movie where he has a same sex romance? Wouldn't work for maleshep either.

Just thought I'd add this since you keep using this example.

I don't see why not, since he made a lesbian character in one of the books flip just for Bond (he's the original Hawke). With that kind of consistency, anything can happen.

Modifié par centauri2002, 17 avril 2011 - 09:04 .

[catabuca]

Oh George. Why are you so scared of someone else in another house, maybe many many miles away from you, being able to play as a gay Shepard, while you would still be able to play as a straight Shepard?

Why so upset?

[george martin]

I guess we'll just agree to disagree that's all we can do. DA had plenty of same sex romance I'm sure other RPG's will as well.

[Jademoon121]

centauri2002 wrote...

george martin wrote...

Particular stance? Do you think they'd come out with a James Bond movie where he has a same sex romance? Wouldn't work for maleshep either.

Just thought I'd add this since you keep using this example.

I don't see why not, since they made a lesbian character in one of the books flip just for Bond (he's the original Hawke). With that kind of consistency, anything can happen.

You are full of win.

[catabuca]

george martin wrote...

I guess we'll just agree to disagree that's all we can do. DA had plenty of same sex romance I'm sure other RPG's will as well.

Yep. Maybe even ME3. You could still have your straight romances, and other players could have a stab at finally being able to have a gay romance. Everyone wins. Everyone.

Here, have a big red heart <3

[Centauri2002]

Nyoka wrote...
Science, make it happen!!!:D:D

It's about time science caught up with our imaginations, dammit! 

That, or the asari need to pay us a visit. 

[didymos1120]

Nyoka wrote...

Science, make it happen!!!:D:D

Nature is working on it.  They might be ready for primetime in another Cycle or two.

[DaeJi]

george martin wrote...



Particular stance? Do you think they'd come out with a James Bond movie where he has a same sex romance? Wouldn't work for maleshep either.

The difference between James Bond and Shepard is that Bond's character isn't yours to decide. His adventure is set; you can enjoy it or not but you cannot affect it. Shepard however is yours to mold. In fact, you have more control over who Shepard is than any other BioWare character since Knights of the Old Republic (I have never played the Balder's Gate series or Neverwinter Nights). Revan, the Spirit Monk, the Warden, and Hawke are all more defined than Shepard is, yet for some reason a male Shepard is not allowed to pursue a homesexual romance. He can be gay, he just cannot have a lover.

[Centauri2002]

didymos1120 wrote...

Nyoka wrote...

Science, make it happen!!!:D:D

Nature is working on it.  They might be ready for primetime in another Cycle or two.

Now to spur human evolution in that direction. Some gentle nudging will work, right?

[DaeJi]

centauri2002 wrote...

Now to spur human evolution in that direction. Some gentle nudging will work, right?

Lets not. I like the male gender. I may be bias though.

[Jademoon121]

DaeJi wrote...

centauri2002 wrote...

Now to spur human evolution in that direction. Some gentle nudging will work, right?

Lets not. I like the male gender. I may be bias though.

Ditto...

How about the otherway?