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[Praetor Knight]

catabuca wrote...

On the subject of bamfs, seeing as though we get an awful lot of people who say "Shepard can't be gay, he's too bamf", may I introduce you to Gareth Thomas, bamf-extraordinaire, badass rugby player, hard as nails, tough as an old boot, wouldn't want to meet him in a dark alley, etc., etc.

Mr. Thomas is not alone.

[catabuca]

Praetor Shepard wrote...

catabuca wrote...

On the subject of bamfs, seeing as though we get an awful lot of people who say "Shepard can't be gay, he's too bamf", may I introduce you to Gareth Thomas, bamf-extraordinaire, badass rugby player, hard as nails, tough as an old boot, wouldn't want to meet him in a dark alley, etc., etc.

Mr. Thomas is not alone.

Indeed he is not.

[filetemo]

shepard is not gay because david gaider is not the lead writer of ME. As long as Gaider writes games, there'll be M/M F/F romances in those games. As long as he's not, no gay romances in ME

[Centauri2002]

filetemo wrote...

shepard is not gay because david gaider is not the lead writer of ME. As long as Gaider writes games, there'll be M/M F/F romances in those games. As long as he's not, no gay romances in ME

My FemShep begs to differ.

[catabuca]

filetemo wrote...

shepard is not gay because david gaider is not the lead writer of ME. As long as Gaider writes games, there'll be M/M F/F romances in those games. As long as he's not, no gay romances in ME

lolwut? One word: Liara.

Another two words: Jade Empire --- Gaider isn't credited as a writer for it. Interestingly, Mac Walters is credited as a writer for it (source, IMDB)

[catabuca]

scyphozoa wrote...

Please don't put any new romance LIs in ME3. We are too busy saving the universe from Reapers to worry about our sissy hearts and loins.

Please take all existing romances out of ME3. We are too busy saving the universe from Reapers to worry about sissy hearts and loins.

[mesmerizedish]

I'd rather save the universe from a disturbing lack of gay than from the Reapers.

[catabuca]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

I'd rather save the universe from a disturbing lack of gay than from the Reapers.

Yeah. As the good Siansonea once said, if humanity is still homophobic in 2185 I'll side with the Reapers in ME3.

I bet the reapers know how to have a good time in dark space. All that waiting around for another 50,000 year cycle ... what's a reaper gonna do but get busy with his fellow reapers, amirite?

[Abramis brama]

centauri2002 wrote...

filetemo wrote...

shepard is not gay because david gaider is not the lead writer of ME. As long as Gaider writes games, there'll be M/M F/F romances in those games. As long as he's not, no gay romances in ME

My FemShep begs to differ.

That doesn't count.

[catabuca]

Abramis brama wrote...


That doesn't count.

Why doesn't Liara count?

[Saeran]

Abramis brama wrote...

centauri2002 wrote...

filetemo wrote...

shepard is not gay because david gaider is not the lead writer of ME. As long as Gaider writes games, there'll be M/M F/F romances in those games. As long as he's not, no gay romances in ME

My FemShep begs to differ.

That doesn't count.

Methinks this one does not know the meaning of mono / has not read the codex / has not done his research / or just trying to be annoying.

[didymos1120]

Abramis brama wrote...

centauri2002 wrote...

filetemo wrote...

shepard is not gay because david gaider is not the lead writer of ME. As long as Gaider writes games, there'll be M/M F/F romances in those games. As long as he's not, no gay romances in ME

My FemShep begs to differ.

That doesn't count.

Fine. I'll post this YET AGAIN (bolding mine):

I didn't work on ME1 but I would venture to say that most of the developers feel that Liara/Femshep is an F/F relationship. I don't know if the "she's an asari" thing was ever intended to take away from the F/F aspect (since I wasn't around when the idea was put together) but nevertheless, she was intended as the gay female love interest.

Sorry, devs (and that guy worked on ME2, so he knows what the ME team thinks) overrule "random guy on forum".

Modifié par didymos1120, 18 avril 2011 - 11:09 .

[Centauri2002]

Abramis brama wrote...

centauri2002 wrote...

filetemo wrote...

shepard is not gay because david gaider is not the lead writer of ME. As long as Gaider writes games, there'll be M/M F/F romances in those games. As long as he's not, no gay romances in ME

My FemShep begs to differ.

That doesn't count.

didymos explained it well above but I'll add my view on it... again:

Asari are an all-female species. My FemShep is, unsurprisingly, female. They are the same sex. Therefore it is a same sex relationship. How is that so hard to understand?

ETA: Oh, and here's Kristen's view on being told she doesn't count...

Modifié par centauri2002, 18 avril 2011 - 11:24 .

[Abramis brama]

didymos1120 wrote...

Abramis brama wrote...

centauri2002 wrote...

filetemo wrote...

shepard is not gay because david gaider is not the lead writer of ME. As long as Gaider writes games, there'll be M/M F/F romances in those games. As long as he's not, no gay romances in ME

My FemShep begs to differ.

That doesn't count.

Fine. I'll post this YET AGAIN (bolding mine):

I didn't work on ME1 but I would venture to say that most of the developers feel that Liara/Femshep is an F/F relationship. I don't know if the "she's an asari" thing was ever intended to take away from the F/F aspect (since I wasn't around when the idea was put together) but nevertheless, she was intended as the gay female love interest.

Sorry, devs (and that guy worked on ME2, so he knows what the ME team thinks) overrule "random guy on forum".

Doesn't matter. In my mind Asari aren't female and that is the only thing that matters to me.
Though the whole race seems more of a nerd dream. Mono-gendered alien female race who mostly works on strip bars? yeah right.

[CROAT_56]

centauri2002 wrote...

Abramis brama wrote...

centauri2002 wrote...

filetemo wrote...

shepard is not gay because david gaider is not the lead writer of ME. As long as Gaider writes games, there'll be M/M F/F romances in those games. As long as he's not, no gay romances in ME

My FemShep begs to differ.

That doesn't count.

didymos explained it well above but I'll add my view on it... again:

Asari are an all-female species. My FemShep is, unsurprisingly, female. They are the same sex. Therefore it is a same sex relationship. How is that so hard to understand?

ETA: Oh, and here's Kristen's view on being told she doesn't count...

snip./

i am in agreeance with you same sex for sure

BTW why do all the good looking ones swing the other way lol

[Centauri2002]

Abramis brama wrote...

Doesn't matter. In my mind Asari aren't female and that is the only thing that matters to me.
Though the whole race seems more of a nerd dream. Mono-gendered alien female race who mostly works on strip bars? yeah right.

The whole universe is fantasy. Every alien race in it is the product of the creators' imaginations.

It's not a logical argument to insist one thing can't exist because it doesn't fit into this fantasy-verse one moment and then to disregard another aspect af that universe completely for being too fantastical. At least be consistent. And what's the point in joining in a debate if you're not going to even accept other people's, especially the people working on the project, views?

[Centauri2002]

CROAT_56 wrote...

i am in agreeance with you same sex for sure

BTW why do all the good looking ones swing the other way lol

I can't really answer that little mystery. Perhaps it's a case of you find something you can't have more alluring because you can't have it? 

[didymos1120]

Abramis brama wrote...

Doesn't matter.

It does when you make unqualified statements that stuff "doesn't count."  You can ignore the facts as much as you like, and concoct your own personal canon, but that does nothing to alter their status as fact.  Asari are female. It's intended to be an F/F relationship. 

Though the whole race seems more of a nerd dream. Mono-gendered alien female race who mostly works on strip bars? yeah right.

Yes, they're partly drawn from the "green alien babes" tradition of SF (e.g. the Orion Slave Girls of Star Trek).  So what? That actually just reinforces the fact they're female. 

[ElitePinecone]

Abramis brama wrote...

Doesn't matter. In my mind Asari aren't female and that is the only thing that matters to me.
Though the whole race seems more of a nerd dream. Mono-gendered alien female race who mostly works on strip bars? yeah right.

By all means let your own opinions override such pesky things as "reality" and "the truth". Ignore Bioware's comments as long as they don't fit your views, and espouse them when they do. That *is* how double standards work, right?

I mean, you just called them 'female' in the sentence after you said they weren't female. 

The semantics of this debate notwithstanding, the sexuality of asari have been discussed more times than I'd like to remember. Can't we move on? 

One thing I'd like to get some thoughts on: assuming ME3 is successful and Bioware plan more games set in the same universe, do people think there's a greater chance of s/s romances if the game isn't skewed towards the shooter crowd? Is the audience a factor, given that they seemed to work fine in DA2?

[CROAT_56]

centauri2002 wrote...

CROAT_56 wrote...

i am in agreeance with you same sex for sure

BTW why do all the good looking ones swing the other way lol

I can't really answer that little mystery. Perhaps it's a case of you find something you can't have more alluring because you can't have it? 

lol that answer is actually a pretty good one i mean you see that everywhere not just in relationships

didymos1120 wrote...

Abramis brama wrote...

Doesn't matter.

It does when you make unqualified statements that stuff "doesn't count."  You can ignore the facts as much as you like, and concoct your own personal canon, but that does nothing to alter their status as fact.  Asari are female. It's intended to be an F/F relationship. 

Though the whole race seems more of a nerd dream. Mono-gendered alien female race who mostly works on strip bars? yeah right.

Yes, they're partly drawn from the "green alien babes" tradition of SF (e.g. the Orion Slave Girls of Star Trek).  So what? That actually just reinforces the fact they're female. 

+10 to Didymos

Modifié par CROAT_56, 18 avril 2011 - 11:39 .

[Centauri2002]

ElitePinecone wrote...

By all means let your own opinions override such pesky things as "reality" and "the truth". Ignore Bioware's comments as long as they don't fit your views, and espouse them when they do. That *is* how double standards work, right?

I mean, you just called them 'female' in the sentence after you said they weren't female. 

The semantics of this debate notwithstanding, the sexuality of asari have been discussed more times than I'd like to remember. Can't we move on? 

One thing I'd like to get some thoughts on: assuming ME3 is successful and Bioware plan more games set in the same universe, do people think there's a greater chance of s/s romances if the game isn't skewed towards the shooter crowd? Is the audience a factor, given that they seemed to work fine in DA2?

Very interesting question. I still saw argument against same sex romances for DA2 but it does seem a less vocal crowd than those here in ME. I can't really comment much on the attitude of gamers attracted to shooter type games, as I don't know them well, but it does seem to have made a difference in the kind of people it draws. Maybe that's just because ME has broader appeal? It's hard to say. However, I think it's fairly certain Mass Effect has a consistent following now and any further releases within the universe will pull in the same kinds of players.

That said, I think BioWare will find it difficult to release any game without the expectation of varying romance options. They've made a rod for their own back there. One I'm very happy is there, might I add.

[JediMB]

Abramis brama wrote...

Doesn't matter. In my mind Asari aren't female and that is the only thing that matters to me.

Your schizophrenia really doesn't have any bearing on the reality of the situation.

Abramis brama wrote...

Though the whole race seems more of a nerd dream. Mono-gendered alien female race who mostly works on strip bars? yeah right.

1) This has no relevance.

2) Some Asari take up working in strip bars during the Maiden stage of their lives, but there are hardly enough strip bars in the known galaxy for them to "mostly" work at those. Plenty of Asari Maidens out there working as mercenaries, merchants, or any other job you can imagine.

[Centauri2002]

CROAT_56 wrote...


lol that answer is actually a pretty good one i mean you see that everywhere not just in relationships
 

I could probably go into how far back the human need to possess objects (I'm classing people amongst this purely for ease of phraseology) goes but I won't bore you with the rather lengthy analysis. 

I'm sure that's not the only reason for it, but I wouldn't be surprised if it plays a pretty hefty part. >.>

[CROAT_56]

agreed^