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[Centauri2002]

Siansonea II wrote...

The key to a successful MaleShep playthrough is to make him sexay. Facial design is key. I've made a few ManSheps that are dreamy, and they're worth playing even with Mark Meer's Vulcan-on-Ambien delivery style. You have to make him kind of rugged, and give him piercing eyes and heavy eyebrows. ManShep can look like a doofus very easily if you're not careful.

Oh, and the Asari Aren't Female trope has come back around I see. Asari have babies. That makes them female. Mono-gendered does not mean non-gendered. The lack of males in the asari species doesn't make them any less female. Aesthetic considerations aside, they're most emphatically female because they are capable of making more asari. And no, they're not hermaphrodites or anything like that, because their species lacks any need for specialized fertilization structures, thanks to the asari's natural biotic affinity and the ability to parent a child with virtually any alien species or even 'a little radiation'.

But hey, if people want to believe that asari are fluffy pink bunnies I don't care.

No, no, no, females need males in order to be defined. It's a well known fact! <_<

Seriously though, I've tried making a decent looking MaleShep but it doesn't seem to help me in my play throughs. Perhaps it's because I just can't find him sexy. *le sigh* Maybe I'll make another attempt at it when I've finished Mass Effect 3 and want to experience the worst ending possible. >.>

[DaeJi]

centauri2002 wrote...

No, no, no, females need males in order to be defined. It's a well known fact! <_<

They actually kind of do. Although the Asari do not have that problem, being exposed to males for thousands of years.

[Centauri2002]

DaeJi wrote...

centauri2002 wrote...

No, no, no, females need males in order to be defined. It's a well known fact! <_<

They actually kind of do. Although the Asari do not have that problem, being exposed to males for thousands of years.

I... will not get into that argument here. 

[Abramis brama]

centauri2002 wrote...

Oh, I can think of a few asari who would likely be dominant in any kind of relationship. Aria is a good example. I can also think of a few examples of asari with women. In fact, I remember footage from the Shadow Broker's lair of that human reporter making out with an asari. >.>

Well Aria is definitely dominant but I only have couple of hazy memories of Asari with women.
It would be nice if Bioware would show more dominant Asari though, Aria and Benezia were a good examples and we have had couple Asari mercenaries but otherwise they seem to be usually have feminine traits.
Seeing that they're mono-gendered it would be logical that they would have close to 50-50 split on dominant-submissive(masculine-feminine) traits in their personalities. They've only had 2500 years in space, not enough to evolve that much.

centauri2002 wrote...

No, no, no, females need males in order to be defined. It's a well known fact! [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/angry.png[/smilie]

This is what I mean... :innocent:

DaeJi wrote...

Neither is the world you live in. In fact, you are not real. My reality, my facts.

Am I talking to someone?[smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/andy.png[/smilie]

You will never know. Just remember to NOT take the pills. They're poison and will make you become one of them.

Nyoka wrote...

Abramis brama wrote...

First you need to calm youself and take a sip of your favorite beverage because what I'm going to say will be a shock.

Mass effect is not real. Sorry. That's just how it is.
I hope you are okay there.

I'm
sorry you didn't get the point. Apparently we are talking about two
different games: People in this thread are talking about Mass Effect, a
game where Asari are female; you, on the other hand, are talking about a
game that exists only in your head, in which Asari are not female.

We are interested in Mass Effect, not in that other game in your head. Do you have anything to say about Mass Effect?

What are you talking about? Asari are definitely not female.

Modifié par Abramis brama, 18 avril 2011 - 03:45 .

[DaeJi]

centauri2002 wrote...


I... will not get into that argument here. 

I only mean that to identity as "female" and not simply "being" you need a point to compare too, in this case male. A biological female is a biological female either way.

[Abramis brama]

Nyoka wrote...

Abramis brama wrote...

What are you talking about? Asari are definitely not female.

In Mass Effect, Asari are female, period.

In that weird game that exists only in your head, Asari are not female.

We are talking about Mass Effect. We are not interested in your particular reality. Please, stop talking about that. This thread is not about you, your world, your reality, your whatever. It's about Mass Effect.

So in your Mass Effect they're female? Interesting, didn't know they shipped two different copies of it.





Yeah, let's stop arguing.

[Centauri2002]

DaeJi wrote...

centauri2002 wrote...


I... will not get into that argument here. 

I only mean that to identity as "female" and not simply "being" you need a point to compare too, in this case male. A biological female is a biological female either way.

I know what you were meaning. I was just tempted to go off on a philosophical rant. I was exercising restraint. 

@Abramis: I'm going to call you out on your dominant-submissive link to masuline-feminine. The two aren't necessarily related. There have been many examples of dominant females throughout history and it's even more prevelant in modern times. If you make this link, then you're practically saying these women are masculine. I know some that won't take kindly to that. 

Modifié par centauri2002, 18 avril 2011 - 03:54 .

[Siansonea]

Do we really not know why Abramis brama is acting this way? I think we do. Let's not get pulled into another pointless argument over whether the sky is blue or if it's actually dark taupe. People come in here all the time and try to start fires, lets not entertain them.

[OrbitalWings]

The fact that those highlighted codex pics I did are having to be reposted is sad indeed ><

Will it take every asari in the game turning to camera and slowly and carefully saying "I am female" for this to stop?

[Weltenschlange]

Oh hi everyone.

Personally I would be quite a happy spess mehren if we got at least one new human s/s LI per sex in ME3. Anything beyond that would be pure awesomesauce.

Also, I've recently become a fan of Mark Meer after discovering that he is actually way more funny and versatile than I thought.

Oh yeah and I totally need the ability for my gay ManShep to say this in ME3!

[Centauri2002]

Metal-Dragon-Kiryu wrote...

The fact that those highlighted codex pics I did are having to be reposted is sad indeed ><

Will it take every asari in the game turning to camera and slowly and carefully saying "I am female" for this to stop?

Perhaps a "I'm female... do you want me to show you?" will be more widely accepted by the non-believers.

Then again, if they're not accepting the codex entries, or opinions by the development team, nor logical reasoning. I don't think there's much hope.

[Centauri2002]

Weltenschlange wrote...

Oh hi everyone.

Personally I would be quite a happy spess mehren if we got at least one new human s/s LI per sex in ME3. Anything beyond that would be pure awesomesauce.

Also, I've recently become a fan of Mark Meer after discovering that he is actually way more funny and versatile than I thought.

Oh yeah and I totally need the ability for my gay ManShep to say this in ME3!

I looked up his Jade Empire characters today, since I don't remember what they sounded like from my last play through. He's actually a versatile voice actor. Pity his MaleShep doesn't reflect that. >.>

[Darth Krytie]

I've never played as m!Shep and that's because there's no m/m option. Until then, I'll keep playing as fem!Shep.

[JediMB]

centauri2002 wrote...

Abramis brama wrote...

Can't really think of anything else... I find Miranda kind of ugly?

Actually, I don't find Miranda very attractive either. Perhaps it's because she's been quite sexualised.

I would say she's attractive, but far from the most physically attractive female character in ME2.

And while I like her character, personality-wise she ranks pretty darn low on the attraction scale as well.

Abramis brama wrote...

Yeah, let's stop arguing.

Stop.

Rewind.

Okay, rather than arguing whether or not Asari are female, I would instead like to ask you to define what "female" means.

[Abramis brama]

centauri2002 wrote...

@Abramis: I'm going to call you out on your dominant-submissive link to masuline-feminine. The two aren't necessarily related. There have been many examples of dominant females throughout history and it's even more prevelant in modern times. If you make this link, then you're practically saying these women are masculine. I know some that won't take kindly to that. 

Well I was just generalizing that and really I don't think it's "controversial"  to say that the dominance is a masculine feature. I just would like to see more of that in Asari.

Metal-Dragon-Kiryu wrote...

The fact that those highlighted codex pics I did are having to be reposted is sad indeed ><

Will it take every asari in the game turning to camera and slowly and carefully saying "I am female" for this to stop?

But Liara has already said that they don't really have a concept of female and male.

Siansonea II wrote...

Do we really not know why Abramis
brama is acting this way? I think we do. Let's not get pulled into
another pointless argument over whether the sky is blue or if it's
actually dark taupe. People come in here all the time and try to start
fires, lets not entertain them.

Flaming was certainly not my intent nor what is happening here.

[Centauri2002]

@Jed: A character's person's personality is a huge factor in whether I find them attractive, as well as their demeanour. I might like the look of someone initially, but if they prove to have a grating personality, they immediately become unattractive. There were things I liked about Miranda but I think there were more things I didn't like about her, so it was hard to find her attractive after that.

ETA: @Abramis: I didn't say it was controversial, but I don't agree with that statement at all. Women can be naturally as dominant as men. It's an individual feature, not a masculine one. I think it's only connected to men in any way because of how men have oppressed women in the past. I can draw a parallel to other examples of domination in society but I'll wait for your reply first. 

But, yes, more dominant asari wouldn't be a bad thing. 

Modifié par centauri2002, 18 avril 2011 - 05:43 .

[Cootie]

centauri2002 wrote...

Weltenschlange wrote...

Oh hi everyone.

Personally I would be quite a happy spess mehren if we got at least one new human s/s LI per sex in ME3. Anything beyond that would be pure awesomesauce.

Also, I've recently become a fan of Mark Meer after discovering that he is actually way more funny and versatile than I thought.

Oh yeah and I totally need the ability for my gay ManShep to say this in ME3!

I looked up his Jade Empire characters today, since I don't remember what they sounded like from my last play through. He's actually a versatile voice actor. Pity his MaleShep doesn't reflect that. >.>

I think the error's with the directors, really. More so than with Mark Meer, at least. I think they wanted a kind of rock hard soldier-y person, and Mark Meer delivers in that aspect.
He just... doesn't do emotions very well while being rock hard and stoic. >.<

Do want more emotional parts with the characters involved in ME3. The Mass Effect series has been very lacking in Shepard's character development area, and it made me appreciate LotSB lots more because of that one scene. o.o

[Centauri2002]

Cootie wrote...

I think the error's with the directors, really. More so than with Mark Meer, at least. I think they wanted a kind of rock hard soldier-y person, and Mark Meer delivers in that aspect.
He just... doesn't do emotions very well while being rock hard and stoic. >.<

Do want more emotional parts with the characters involved in ME3. The Mass Effect series has been very lacking in Shepard's character development area, and it made me appreciate LotSB lots more because of that one scene. o.o

Yep, I agree with you. I take back my previous remarks (in various threads) about Mark's voice acting, but not about MaleShep's voice. I would really love to see more scenes like in LotSB. Shepard doesn't need to break down into tears to show emotion, she just needs to have some kind of connection with another person, to open up a little. Character development is just as important for Shepard as it is for the other characters.

[Cootie]

Also, about this whole Asari discussion, we have dismissed those claims. Again.
It is not about whether or not Asari identify themselves as female. It is an issue of what gender-identities our Shepards give them.

And to be honest, a lot of you tend to call them female in your posts, so I guess the first thoughts your Shepards produce when looking at Liara for the first time aren't along the lines of "Ooh, I wonder how much he can bench-press."

[JediMB]

Abramis brama wrote...

But Liara has already said that they don't really have a concept of female and male.

They didn't, at one point, but they do since they encountered other races.

As I recall, Liara was specifically referring to sexual attraction from an Asari's point of view. To an Asari, it makes no difference if a potential mate is male or female, since as a mono-gendered species there is no point in making a distinction for any other reason than to not confuse people of other species.

Also worth noting is that since Asari speak their own language, all their pre-existing Asari-related nouns and pronouns were made to translate as feminine nouns/pronouns, while they apparently added new masculine words to their language for the sake of easier communication.

centauri2002 wrote...

@Jed: A character's person's
personality is a huge factor in whether I find them attractive, as well
as their demeanour. I might like the look of someone initially, but if
they prove to have a grating personality, they immediately become
unattractive. There were things I liked about Miranda but I think there
were more things I didn't like about her, so it was hard to find her
attractive after that.

I pretty much agree with you fully here.

Or, well, I can still tell that a character person is physically attractive, but any actual interest dies away.

Modifié par JediMB, 18 avril 2011 - 05:57 .

[Nerevar-as]

I really don´t think every animal species on their home planet was monogendered too...

Modifié par Nerevar-as, 18 avril 2011 - 05:56 .

[JediMB]

Nerevar-as wrote...

I really don´t think every animal species on their home planet was monogendered too...

That's something I've been thinking about as well, but we don't really have a lot of information on Thessia or the other Asari core worlds to my knowledge.

[Abramis brama]

centauri2002 wrote...

ETA: @Abramis: I didn't say it was controversial, but I don't agree with that statement at all. Women can be naturally as dominant as men. It's an individual feature, not a masculine one. I think it's only connected to men in any way because of how men have oppressed women in the past. I can draw a parallel to other examples of domination in society but I'll wait for your reply first. 

Though you could call it opression, it's more about the fact that women are just physically more weak and the ones that make the children. So it's just natural progression that males become the more dominant protecting their family, city and society in general. So dominance is made mens nature. Women can be dominant but I don't think they have a inclinination for that from birth(some may have).

Asari don't have that so it's weird when they don't have that many masculine or dominant personalities.