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[Centauri2002]

Abramis brama wrote...

Though you could call it opression, it's more about the fact that women are just physically more weak and the ones that make the children. So it's just natural progression that males become the more dominant protecting their family, city and society in general. So dominance is made mens nature. Women can be dominant but I don't think they have a inclinination for that from birth(some may have).

Asari don't have that so it's weird when they don't have that many masculine or dominant personalities.

If it's the natural progression, why are there more dominant women in society now than there was, say, one hundred years ago? Also, if oppression denotes dominance, would you also agree that the oppression of Africans by Europeans, for example, shows European dominance?

I think your opinion may just stem from ingrained notions of gender roles. I've never had a submissive nature, for example, and neither has my sister for that matter. In fact, she's the dominant one in her marriage. I'm sure there are many examples of women throughout history who also fall under this. 

Modifié par centauri2002, 18 avril 2011 - 06:30 .

[Cootie]

Goodness, haven't you people watched Mulan? Ever?

And why are we still on about Asari, and not hot bamfs who can make hot pancakes for Sheploo?

[Centauri2002]

Cootie wrote...

Goodness, haven't you people watched Mulan? Ever?

And why are we still on about Asari, and not hot bamfs who can make hot pancakes for Sheploo?

Because some people refuse me the satisfaction of calling Shep/Liara a same sex romance! *stamps feet*

[Siansonea]

Abramis brama wrote...

centauri2002 wrote...

ETA: @Abramis: I didn't say it was controversial, but I don't agree with that statement at all. Women can be naturally as dominant as men. It's an individual feature, not a masculine one. I think it's only connected to men in any way because of how men have oppressed women in the past. I can draw a parallel to other examples of domination in society but I'll wait for your reply first. 

Though you could call it opression, it's more about the fact that women are just physically more weak and the ones that make the children. So it's just natural progression that males become the more dominant protecting their family, city and society in general. So dominance is made mens nature. Women can be dominant but I don't think they have a inclinination for that from birth(some may have).

Asari don't have that so it's weird when they don't have that many masculine or dominant personalities.

I think we're confusing "men and women" with "males and females". Men and women are humans. Males and females are categories of organisms based on their role in reproduction. There are female dogs, birds, flowers and trees. None of them are women. But they ARE female. THAT'S IT. Asari fulfill all the signature roles of female reproduction, and not the sole aspect of the male role, i.e., fertilization via direct contribution of another distinct set of genetic material. The only way that asari aren't female is if asari stop being born. If they continue to have babies, well Biology says they're female. END OF STORY. Not really an 'opinion' debate here. If you want to say they're not women, feel free, because they're not women. Women are female humans. But they are female by the standards of Earth biology, so regardless of social nuances of a one-gendered society, they can't be characterized as anything other than female organisms who conceive via a method of biotically-induced sexually-facilitated parthenogenesis.

[Centauri2002]

Oh and just to add to Siansonea's point, there are examples of females in the animal kingdom who form the dominant half of their male/female pairing so I guess the point is moot. Human dynamics (whether I agree with the point being made or not) are not relevant to any other species' dynamic.

[technoquarian]

Abramis brama wrote...
Though you could call it opression, it's more about the fact that women are just physically more weak and the ones that make the children. So it's just natural progression that males become the more dominant protecting their family, city and society in general. So dominance is made mens nature. Women can be dominant but I don't think they have a inclinination for that from birth(some may have).

Asari don't have that so it's weird when they don't have that many masculine or dominant personalities.

Spotted hyenas would beg to differ.

[JediMB]

Also, widow spiders. But they're nasty. >_>

[Abramis brama]

Siansonea II wrote...

I think we're confusing "men and women" with "males and females". Men and women are humans. Males and females are categories of organisms based on their role in reproduction. There are female dogs, birds, flowers and trees. None of them are women. But they ARE female. THAT'S IT. Asari fulfill all the signature roles of female reproduction, and not the sole aspect of the male role, i.e., fertilization via direct contribution of another distinct set of genetic material. The only way that asari aren't female is if asari stop being born. If they continue to have babies, well Biology says they're female. END OF STORY. Not really an 'opinion' debate here. If you want to say they're not women, feel free, because they're not women. Women are female humans. But they are female by the standards of Earth biology, so regardless of social nuances of a one-gendered society, they can't be characterized as anything other than female organisms who conceive via a method of biotically-induced sexually-facilitated parthenogenesis.

Asari are not women nor female. Biology can say whatever. Femshep/Liara is not s/s relationship.
My very own fact based on no known branch of science, nor is it overly logical.

centauri2002 wrote...

If it's the natural progression, why
are there more dominant women in society now than there was, say, one
hundred years ago?

Because we don't need physical prowess or worry about the children(not so much anyway) and we have gender quotas these days.

Also, if oppression denotes dominance, would you also
agree that the oppression of Africans by Europeans, for example, shows
European dominance?

Wouldn't it?

centauri2002 wrote...

Oh and just to add to Siansonea's
point, there are examples of females in the animal kingdom who form the
dominant half of their male/female pairing so I guess the point is moot.
Human dynamics (whether I agree with the point being made or not) are
not relevant to any other species' dynamic.

Usually in them female are more physically capable and that's just how evolution works. Sometimes you get some weird things.

[Centauri2002]

Come on, Abramis, there's examples of women who are physically capable. I'm trying not to get offended at you calling me weaker and inferior here. Help me out.

Speaking of... I'll let Kristen show you how it's done.

Modifié par centauri2002, 18 avril 2011 - 07:08 .

[AngelicMachinery]

Has this thread really become one guy spouting off how women are inferior to men. That's just great...

[Centauri2002]

AngelicMachinery wrote...

Has this thread really become one guy spouting off how women are inferior to men. That's just great...

Don't forget the: *covers ears* "Only my imaginary world exists, tra la la. I can't hear you." 

[Siansonea]

Abramis brama wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

I think we're confusing "men and women" with "males and females". Men and women are humans. Males and females are categories of organisms based on their role in reproduction. There are female dogs, birds, flowers and trees. None of them are women. But they ARE female. THAT'S IT. Asari fulfill all the signature roles of female reproduction, and not the sole aspect of the male role, i.e., fertilization via direct contribution of another distinct set of genetic material. The only way that asari aren't female is if asari stop being born. If they continue to have babies, well Biology says they're female. END OF STORY. Not really an 'opinion' debate here. If you want to say they're not women, feel free, because they're not women. Women are female humans. But they are female by the standards of Earth biology, so regardless of social nuances of a one-gendered society, they can't be characterized as anything other than female organisms who conceive via a method of biotically-induced sexually-facilitated parthenogenesis.

Asari are not women nor female. Biology can say whatever. Femshep/Liara is not s/s relationship.
My very own fact based on no known branch of science, nor is it overly logical.

Okay, then you're either a) deliberately trolling, a non-native English speaker who has misunderstood much of the conversation, c) too young to have taken Biology 101, or d) suffering from some other affliction rendering you unable to understand basic logic as it pertains to this subject. In any case, you've brought a knife to a gun fight, because you can't refute logic by saying your "fact" is based on no known branch of science and ISN'T OVERLY LOGICAL. What you're doing is saying asari aren't female, in spite of, you know, BIOLOGY, because you "say so". FAIL.

centauri2002 wrote...

If it's the natural progression, why
are there more dominant women in society now than there was, say, one
hundred years ago?

Because we don't need physical prowess or worry about the children(not so much anyway) and we have gender quotas these days.

Are you just pulling stuff out of the air now?

Also, if oppression denotes dominance, would you also
agree that the oppression of Africans by Europeans, for example, shows
European dominance?

Wouldn't it?

Well in case anyone was unclear about whether or not you are a troll or simply ignorant...

centauri2002 wrote...

Oh and just to add to Siansonea's
point, there are examples of females in the animal kingdom who form the
dominant half of their male/female pairing so I guess the point is moot.
Human dynamics (whether I agree with the point being made or not) are
not relevant to any other species' dynamic.

Usually in them female are more physically capable and that's just how evolution works. Sometimes you get some weird things.

Don't spout off about evolution. You clearly don't know what you're talking about. You might want to repeat 8th Grade science, by the way.

Modifié par Siansonea II, 18 avril 2011 - 07:12 .

[technoquarian]

Abramis brama wrote...
Asari are not women nor female. Biology can say whatever. Femshep/Liara is not s/s relationship.
My very own fact based on no known branch of science, nor is it overly logical.

Okay, so I write quarians without that "must marry someone not from their birth ship" taboo because it's not a reliable way to avoid inbreeding.  Family/clan names are more helpful.  

I guess that means it's how it really is in-universe?  Because that's they way I imagine it and therefore it's fact, actual ME lore be damned?



You've got to be trolling.  The only people I see actually arguing that their little fandom theories are the REAL canon are deranged fangirls.

[catabuca]

Cootie wrote...

And why are we still on about Asari, and not hot bamfs who can make hot pancakes for Sheploo?

Indeed.

So, when he makes those pancakes, cute little apron or no apron?

[Saeran]

Seriously, don't respond to him, it is so blatently obvious that his point is going in circles and won't accept another point of view or "opinion" or as some of us know them.. facts. He can metagame against BioWare if he wants.

[technoquarian]

catabuca wrote...
Indeed.

So, when he makes those pancakes, cute little apron or no apron?

No apron.  No nothin'.

[catabuca]

technoquarian wrote...

catabuca wrote...
Indeed.

So, when he makes those pancakes, cute little apron or no apron?

No apron.  No nothin'.

In fact, when I thought of 'cute little apron', I meant while otherwise naked.

I'd buy 'naked breakfast dlc' in a heartbeat.

[Maugrim]

catabuca wrote...

technoquarian wrote...

catabuca wrote...
Indeed.

So, when he makes those pancakes, cute little apron or no apron?

No apron.  No nothin'.

In fact, when I thought of 'cute little apron', I meant while otherwise naked.

I'd buy 'naked breakfast dlc' in a heartbeat.

Very likely to be followed by the ' Dr. Chakwas burn unit dlc' 

Modifié par makenzieshepard, 18 avril 2011 - 07:34 .

[Abramis brama]

centauri2002 wrote...

Come on, Abramis, there's examples
of women who are physically capable. I'm trying not to get offended at
you calling me weaker and inferior here. Help me out.

AngelicMachinery wrote...

Has this thread really become one guy spouting off how women are inferior to men. That's just great...

Just physically which I think it's a fact of real reality not just my own(). Look at any sport and see if women are par with men.  I mean personally I have only met 2 woman who are stronger than me and both of them were gym fanatics and bodybuilders.

Nyoka wrote...

Oh for ****'s sake. The guy from a
different reality

Also, if oppression denotes dominance, would you also
agree that the oppression of Africans by Europeans, for example, shows
European dominance?

Wouldn't it?

Well in case anyone was unclear about whether or not you are a troll or simply ignorant...

How so? Europeans went there, took their land and dominated over them. There was no contest really.

I'm probably missing something here though.

Siansonea II wrote...

Don't spout off about evolution. You clearly don't know what you're talking about. You might want to repeat 8th Grade science, by the way.

Thanks for being extremely informative.

[ADLegend21]

Abramis brama wrote...

Asari are not women nor female. Biology can say whatever. Femshep/Liara is not s/s relationship.
My very own fact based on no known branch of science, nor is it overly logical.

unless your known fact of science is the mass effect Writing team, who have said Asari are FEMALE, then your "science is wrong"

[Siansonea]

I guess you can't reason with someone who lacks the ability TO REASON. That's five minutes of my life I'll never get back. Back to hot men in aprons makin' me breakfast. (I know, since I'm female that's kind of off-topic for a same-sex romance thread.)

[technoquarian]

catabuca wrote...

technoquarian wrote...
No apron.  No nothin'.

In fact, when I thought of 'cute little apron', I meant while otherwise naked.

I'd buy 'naked breakfast dlc' in a heartbeat.

Hmm...It's still an extra layer to get in the way.  Although it would protect against Mackenzie's followup DLC!

I'm thinking about this now.

Kaidan, frying up some pancakes, turns around as Shepard, wearing only a pair of boxers, shuffles into the kitchen of their apartment.

"Mornin', Commander~"  He's got this sort of relaxed, lopsided grin on his face, and he's holding a plate of hotcakes and a spatula.

HRNGH

[Centauri2002]

Okay, Abramis, I'll put this down to you not having met the right women then.

I just wrote out a list of some of the capable women that I've known but I realised it probably won't make a lot of difference and there's no use inundating this thread with more off-topic information, so I'll just leave it here.

I don't think I'm going to persuade you anyway.