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[ElitePinecone]

Quick reminder to stay away from real-world discussion of homosexuality. Bringing 'normality' into things gets ugly quickly. Not to mention probably insensitive.

[Saeran]

Eiliestl wrote...

Well then it's a good thing that their opinons don't count.

Then whose does? Because them 2 groups of people include you. So clearly your opinion doesn't count either.

[Ramirez Wolfen]

@Saeran Actually, depended on how things are done, I will care.

[Eiliestl]

ElitePinecone wrote...

Quick reminder to stay away from real-world discussion of homosexuality. Bringing 'normality' into things gets ugly quickly. Not to mention probably insensitive.

I know it's a very bad habit of mine. But I really wish that they would let us vote on stuff like this.

[Eiliestl]

Saeran wrote...

Eiliestl wrote...

Well then it's a good thing that their opinons don't count.

Then whose does? Because them 2 groups of people include you. So clearly your opinion doesn't count either.

Oh it counts. I vote on banning things.

[Saeran]

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

@Saeran Actually, depended on how things are done, I will care.

Well you own Mass Effect 2 and I assume you enjoyed it alot from your presence on these forums. Did the pandering to Talimancers / Garrusmancers cause you to care enough to rage about it?

I personally couldn't care less what options they take, whether it be Kaiden, James Sanders, I will take anyone. Purely because I don't currently have that option. People seem to think this is a zero sum game, i.e +1 for me would be -1 for someone else. Why shouldn't I have ANY option at all?

[Ottemis]

I don't see the big issue at all. This homophobia of some is quite silly tbh. I can't say I personally enjoy watching two guys make-out and I've certainly not gone to look for the posts about the gay romances in DA2 on youtube; but the fact they are there I fully support, being a 'raging heterosexual' myself.

The idea of the M/M romances in DA2 were handled really well if you ask me, where they emphasize the beauty of the person rather then the gender, and if some people would be a bit more openminded, they'd be able to appreciate that concept. Having said that, the concept actually works better in ME then it would in the DA line of games, seeing cross-species romances focus on the 'beauty of the person' already really, and it's nothing if not.. odd, to want to get it down with a character like Garrus.. or Thane. If we heterosexuals can see ourselves be interested in something like that, then what the hell is the problem to extend that thought onto homosexual options?
This is not me saying going for any of the aliens would make you weird obviously. I went for Garrus, then for Thane myself =)

Anyways, I'd find it odd (to say the least) if they would leave the option out of ME3 while they did it for DA2.

And those that don't like it? Tough cookie, that's life folks. Learn to live with it.

Modifié par Ottemis, 24 avril 2011 - 08:24 .

[Eiliestl]

Saeran wrote...

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

@Saeran Actually, depended on how things are done, I will care.

Well you own Mass Effect 2 and I assume you enjoyed it alot from your presence on these forums. Did the pandering to Talimancers / Garrusmancers cause you to care enough to rage about it?

I personally couldn't care less what options they take, whether it be Kaiden, James Sanders, I will take anyone. Purely because I don't currently have that option. People seem to think this is a zero sum game, i.e +1 for me would be -1 for someone else. Why shouldn't I have ANY option at all?

 
Pick a female. or stay single.

[Ramirez Wolfen]

@Saeran

From what I heard, Tali was actually supposed to be romanceable in ME1, but it was scrapped. But like I said, its only what I heard.

I am not against having gay or bi characters in ME3, just having current LIs suddenly becoming bi.

[Sinnerous]

Saeran wrote...

Sinnerous wrote...


I'm sure BioWare is really aware of that happening and would scapegoat using the Rating as a point in defense. Which is true, but of a better mind shouldn't indulg in something they know will happen and might not be good for the story.

And why wouldn't it be good for the story? You don't have to play as a gay Shepard, it's your personal choice. And the ratings aren't a scape goat, they are there for a reason. It comes down that old argument of, well you don't mind yourself/your kid going around shooting the place up, killing lots and lots of people, but a bit of homosexuality that you can choose to/not to pursue... Well that is damned well out of order.

That's fine, I don't post my opinions just to have an debatable argument over it.

[Eiliestl]

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

@Saeran

From what I heard, Tali was actually supposed to be romanceable in ME1, but it was scrapped. But like I said, its only what I heard.

I am not against having gay or bi characters in ME3, just having current LIs suddenly becoming bi.

So you can see Maleshep as a ******? Because I can not. He's a man's ,man. That's how Anders started out and look what happen to him.

[M-Sinistrari]

Saeran wrote...

Sinnerous wrote...

I'd say no just to the chance of that kind of exposure to a possible minor. Parents are ignorant as it is to buy these games for kids too young when Ratings say otherwise. BioWare shouldn't just to avoid bad publicity they'll receive from the parents who feel stupid for buying the game. And vent their pain through protests.  <----- Lol it could happen.

Then that's the parents fault for buying a 15+ game for someone who isn't 15+. That's not BioWare's fault or anyone elses, it's bad parenting and can't be used as an excuse.

Actually when it comes to games, there's this really bizzare double standard unofficially in place.  It doesn't matter what rating the game has for whatever content, many parents are still under the impression that they're for all ages.

Back when I worked at Blockbuster Video, I lost count how many parents who were firmly against thier kids renting any movies with graphic nudity and/or violence in them that would go through the roof if you didn't rent to them the game of thier choice despite said game having the exact same content they wouldn't allow the kid to be exposed to in a movie.

Hell, you still see this double standard at points with comic books despite the medium having proven it can be fore mature audiences only and you still get some parents thinking comics are for kids.

[Saeran]

Eiliestl wrote...

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

@Saeran

From what I heard, Tali was actually supposed to be romanceable in ME1, but it was scrapped. But like I said, its only what I heard.

I am not against having gay or bi characters in ME3, just having current LIs suddenly becoming bi.

So you can see Maleshep as a ******? Because I can not. He's a man's ,man. That's how Anders started out and look what happen to him.

And here we return to the assumption that gay people aren't "men's men". Funnily enough, that is exactly what I am attracted to so that's a false argument. And are you saying the Sacred Band of Thebes weren't "men's men"?

[Eiliestl]

Saeran wrote...

Eiliestl wrote...

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

@Saeran

From what I heard, Tali was actually supposed to be romanceable in ME1, but it was scrapped. But like I said, its only what I heard.

I am not against having gay or bi characters in ME3, just having current LIs suddenly becoming bi.

So you can see Maleshep as a ******? Because I can not. He's a man's ,man. That's how Anders started out and look what happen to him.

And here we return to the assumption that gay people aren't "men's men". Funnily enough, that is exactly what I am attracted to so that's a false argument. And are you saying the Sacred Band of Thebes weren't "men's men"?

First off-Sacred Band of Thebes ......Who?
And 2nd - Are you saying that you are a gay man who's  attracted to straight men.

[Saeran]

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

@Saeran

From what I heard, Tali was actually supposed to be romanceable in ME1, but it was scrapped. But like I said, its only what I heard.

I am not against having gay or bi characters in ME3, just having current LIs suddenly becoming bi.

And I forgot to mention, Kaiden was originally written as bi and all the lines were voice acted and included in the PC version of the game. So why would it be ok for Tali to be intended to be romanceable in ME 1, not put in, put in ME 2 but the same can't be said for Kaiden who we barely see in ME 2?

[Eiliestl]

We should vote on it.

[JeffZero]

Eiliestl wrote...

We should vote on it.

Or, you know, you could just ignore this thread like I choose to do with the ones I disagree on.

[Saeran]

Eiliestl wrote...
First off-Sacred Band of Thebes ......Who?
And 2nd - Are you saying that you are a gay man who's  attracted to straight men.

Go look them up, you might be surprised, and no you won't catch "teh gay" from researching it.

@ point 2, not all gay men are effeminate queens you know. No one would guess that I was gay, in fact absolutely no one knew until I told them. I don't personally "like" (for lack of a better word) the camp, effeminate scene. But that isn't what being gay means. I don't want a gay/bisexual character who comes in a rainbow suit of armor on the back of his amazing unicorn of homosexualness. I just want a normal character.. who happens to have an interest in Shepard.

Modifié par Saeran, 24 avril 2011 - 08:28 .

[Eiliestl]

JeffZero wrote...

Eiliestl wrote...

We should vote on it.

Or, you know, you could just ignore this thread like I choose to do with the ones I disagree on.

 
Oh no not this time. I did that with DA2 at look what happen with that. BioWare needs to see both sides of this argument.I won't let ME3 be ****** crazy like DA2.

Modifié par Eiliestl, 24 avril 2011 - 08:31 .

[JeffZero]

Eiliestl wrote...

JeffZero wrote...

Eiliestl wrote...

We should vote on it.

Or, you know, you could just ignore this thread like I choose to do with the ones I disagree on.

 
Oh no not this time. I did that with DA2 at look what happen with that. BioWare needs to see both sides of this agurment .I would let ME3 be ****** crazy like DA2.

I think you forgot a word. Or maybe this is a case of Freudian slips.

Actually, I think I know what you meant, but it's still funny. Either way, you do what you feel needs to be done, I suppose. Regardless... I really don't think ME3 will come out like DA2.

Modifié par JeffZero, 24 avril 2011 - 08:31 .

[Saeran]

JeffZero wrote...

I think you forgot a word. Or maybe this is a case of Freudian slips.

Shhhh! Don't mention it, maybe he won't notice. :3

[JeffZero]

Saeran wrote...

JeffZero wrote...

I think you forgot a word. Or maybe this is a case of Freudian slips.

Shhhh! Don't mention it, maybe he won't notice. :3

XD Too late.

[Eiliestl]

Saeran wrote...

JeffZero wrote...

I think you forgot a word. Or maybe this is a case of Freudian slips.

Shhhh! Don't mention it, maybe he won't notice. :3

Real cute dude . I saw it and changed it by-the-way. And if you would look at the avatar I'm female.

[Ottemis]

Saeran wrote...

Eiliestl wrote...
First off-Sacred Band of Thebes ......Who?
And 2nd - Are you saying that you are a gay man who's  attracted to straight men.

Go look them up, you might be surprised, and no you won't catch "teh gay" from researching it.

@ point 2, not all gay men are effeminate queens you know. No one would guess that I was gay, in fact absolutely no one knew until I told them. I don't personally "like" (for lack of a better word) the camp, effeminate scene. But that isn't what being gay means. I don't want a gay/bisexual character who comes in a rainbow suit of armor on the back of his amazing unicorn of homosexualness. I just want a normal character.. who happens to have an interest in Shepard.

Logicly yeah, seeing my gay friends drool over the same guys I do. 
Plus we've got the 'middle ground' of bisexuals, who, asfar as I know from personal experience can certainly come across as hetero as any real 'mans-man'. It's all in what we WANT to (or don't want to) see isn't it. Not how the world actually is, in the end.

Modifié par Ottemis, 24 avril 2011 - 08:36 .

[JeffZero]

Eiliestl wrote...

Saeran wrote...

JeffZero wrote...

I think you forgot a word. Or maybe this is a case of Freudian slips.

Shhhh! Don't mention it, maybe he won't notice. :3

Real cute dude . I saw it and changed it by-the-way. And if you would look at the avatar I'm female.

The avatar tells me nothing, potential dude or dudette. All sorts of people -- including 'men's men' -- often use female avatars on websites for various reasons. In my case, I did it because I felt like this angle of this particular character was the best out of a set of extremely limited options... but with a name like 'Jeff', I'd hope you think me male.