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[Siansonea]

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

These are some of the things I said in my earlier thread (Number 5 is removed due to other reasons):

1. It cheapens the romances.

For you maybe. And I see THAT as a bonus.

2. The romances lose their uniqueness (kind of like 1, but whatever)

So, 500,000 other teenage boys having sex with Buckethead is unique...how exactly?

3. It's unrealistic. Not everyone in life is bisexual. (it's a game, sure, but ME should be one of the realistic kind)

Ah, statistics. Yeah, well, turians and quarians DON'T ACTUALLY EXIST AT ALL. That's unrealistic.

4. If it happened, there would be arguments over whether Manshep or Femshep is better with x character.

Oh noes! Teh Internet is going to have a discussion about romance in Mass Effect!!!

6. It's a bit late to make them bi in ME3. ME1 was released in 2007 or something. If they were going to be bi, it should have been then.

"I heard Tali was planned as an LI in ME1", and yet it wasn't "a bit late" for her to be shaggable in ME2? Oh yeah, that's right, Anything To Do With Tali =/= Anything Exactly Parallel To Anything To Do With Tali.

7. Wouldn't it be awkward if the LIs were just suddenly bi? It would seem like it was done just to appease people (which is LAME)

That's exactly how I felt about Tali suddenly being a Shepard fangirl, OMG.

[Jademoon121]

Mash Mashington wrote...

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...
1. It cheapens the romances.
2. The romances lose their uniqueness (kind of like 1, but whatever)
3. It's unrealistic. Not everyone in life is bisexual. (it's a game, sure, but ME should be one of the realistic kind)
4. If it happened, there would be arguments over whether Manshep or Femshep is better with x character.


6. It's a bit late to make them bi in ME3. ME1 was released in 2007 or something. If they were going to be bi, it should have been then.

7. Wouldn't it be awkward if the LIs were just suddenly bi? It would seem like it was done just to appease people (which is LAME)

OMG

:lol:

[catabuca]

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

These are some of the things I said in my earlier thread (Number 5 is removed due to other reasons):

1. It cheapens the romances.
2. The romances lose their uniqueness (kind of like 1, but whatever)
3. It's unrealistic. Not everyone in life is bisexual. (it's a game, sure, but ME should be one of the realistic kind)
4. If it happened, there would be arguments over whether Manshep or Femshep is better with x character.


6. It's a bit late to make them bi in ME3. ME1 was released in 2007 or something. If they were going to be bi, it should have been then.

7. Wouldn't it be awkward if the LIs were just suddenly bi? It would seem like it was done just to appease people (which is LAME)

1. How?
2. How?
3. Not everyone in Mass Effect would be either.
4. No there wouldn't.
6. Yes, it should have been done then, but it wasn't, so better late than never.
7. We're not calling for all LIs to be bisexual. And, I'm sure you'd agree as a Tali fan, appeasing fans is not necessarily a bad thing.

[thatguy212]

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

These are some of the things I said in my earlier thread (Number 5 is removed due to other reasons):

1. It cheapens the romances.
2. The romances lose their uniqueness (kind of like 1, but whatever)
3. It's unrealistic. Not everyone in life is bisexual. (it's a game, sure, but ME should be one of the realistic kind)
4. If it happened, there would be arguments over whether Manshep or Femshep is better with x character.


6. It's a bit late to make them bi in ME3. ME1 was released in 2007 or something. If they were going to be bi, it should have been then.

7. Wouldn't it be awkward if the LIs were just suddenly bi? It would seem like it was done just to appease people (which is LAME)

1. How so?
2. Actually it would be more unique
3. lets make a list of bisexual characters in the ME universe, kelly, some asari, if anything there are too many straight people for it to see realistic
4. People always argue about everything so no big deal
6. lots of people need time to figure out themselves and their sexuality
7. Kinda like how there is a quarian who suddenly has a deep love for shepard?

Modifié par thatguy212, 24 avril 2011 - 06:55 .

[Saeran]

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

These are some of the things I said in my earlier thread (Number 5 is removed due to other reasons):

1. It cheapens the romances.
2. The romances lose their uniqueness (kind of like 1, but whatever)
3. It's unrealistic. Not everyone in life is bisexual. (it's a game, sure, but ME should be one of the realistic kind)
4. If it happened, there would be arguments over whether Manshep or Femshep is better with x character.


6. It's a bit late to make them bi in ME3. ME1 was released in 2007 or something. If they were going to be bi, it should have been then.

7. Wouldn't it be awkward if the LIs were just suddenly bi? It would seem like it was done just to appease people (which is LAME)

1. Explain how it cheapens the romances considering you wouldn't touch them,
2. Why does it lose there uniqueness? So my Gay Shepard is extremely unique because apparently he can't love anyone...?
3. Some of us haven't suggested making all the love interests bisexual, just 1. Oh controlling Dark Matter with your mind is also unrealistic, but we can skip over that right?
4. No there wouldn't. Fem!Shep fans would still prefer Fem!Shep, M!Shep fans would still prefer M!Shep as the dialogue 9 times out of 10 will most likely be identical.

6. ME 2 was released in 2010, yet apparently Tali/Garrus had a massive change towards wanting to do the nasty with Shepard in those 3 years. And Kaidan was originally planned that way, as has been mentioned before Kaidan has never stated that he's exclusively heterosexual, until you can cite a quote from him saying that, who's to say he can't grow feeling for M!Shep after the years of missing him.

7. Wouldn't it be awkward if Tali/Garrus all of a sudden decided they REALLY like Shepard? I mean it would just seem like it would of been done to appease people and for fan service (Which apparently... is LAME?)

Modifié par Saeran, 24 avril 2011 - 06:55 .

[Centauri2002]

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

These are some of the things I said in my earlier thread (Number 5 is removed due to other reasons):

1. It cheapens the romances.
2. The romances lose their uniqueness (kind of like 1, but whatever)
3. It's unrealistic. Not everyone in life is bisexual. (it's a game, sure, but ME should be one of the realistic kind)
4. If it happened, there would be arguments over whether Manshep or Femshep is better with x character.


6. It's a bit late to make them bi in ME3. ME1 was released in 2007 or something. If they were going to be bi, it should have been then.

7. Wouldn't it be awkward if the LIs were just suddenly bi? It would seem like it was done just to appease people (which is LAME)

Darn, I was just settling down with my popcorn. Tsk. 

1. Why would it? You need to give reasons with your statements. 
2. How would they? The characters' personalities don't change with their supposed change in sexuality.
3. We're talking about probably two characters being bisexual at most here so this point is rather moot.
4. This is a pointless argument. People argue over everything on these forums already.
6. They could have been bisexual since the start and just not announced it. There's plenty of arguments against this point already. A lot of them reasonable, in my opinion.
7. Kind of like Tali and Garrus being suddenly interested in Shepard in ME2, you mean? Did you feel awkward then? I think not. But I'm sure others did. We got over it.

Modifié par centauri2002, 24 avril 2011 - 06:56 .

[Saeran]

Wow, we're all rather quick to respond. :3

[Centauri2002]

Saeran wrote...

Wow, we're all rather quick to respond. :3

We've been waiting for this momentous occasion for a while. No one's letting it pass by! 

[Ryzaki]

centauri2002 wrote...

Saeran wrote...

Wow, we're all rather quick to respond. :3

We've been waiting for this momentous occasion for a while. No one's letting it pass by! 

And good lord is the hypocrisy astounding. 

[alek2702]

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

7. Wouldn't it be awkward if the LIs were just suddenly bi? It would seem like it was done just to appease people (which is LAME)

Then you do agree that your beloved Tali romance is also "LAME"?



@LiquidGrape
Gotta love that avatar!

[Jademoon121]

Saeran wrote...

Wow, we're all rather quick to respond. :3

I have nothing else better to do, and it's 65 out for the first time in monthes...

[ADLegend21]

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...
1. It cheapens the romances.
2. The romances lose their uniqueness (kind of like 1, but whatever)
3. It's unrealistic. Not everyone in life is bisexual. (it's a game, sure, but ME should be one of the realistic kind)
4. If it happened, there would be arguments over whether Manshep or Femshep is better with x character.


6. It's a bit late to make them bi in ME3. ME1 was released in 2007 or something. If they were going to be bi, it should have been then.

7. Wouldn't it be awkward if the LIs were just suddenly bi? It would seem like it was done just to appease people (which is LAME)

1.) no it wouldn't. It would enrich them because it takes courage to admit you ahve feelings someone, and that's doubled when they're the same gender as you because it could potentially ruin whatever you have with them.
2.)See point one.
3.) it's never unrealistic for someone to develop feelings for someone after a long period of time especially when you've seen them die and come back to life, that could have put a whole new spin on their view of Shepard.
4.)You're point? there's already arguements of who should die and what not, you can't tell someone how they view a characters romance so this is moot.
5.) forget something?
6.)Not at all a simple "Shepard. I've had time to think about this. When I saw you on Horizon, I was mad, but then I realized why...I've...I've developed feelings for you." is all it's takes. they WERE bi in ME1 that's why their S/S content exists on the disc.
7.) not at all. You don't know everything a person is thinking. For all you know, they could have been restraining themselves since you probably are with someone already adn they don't want to distract you form the mission of having two people out for your affection.

[android654]

I love how once a week the same two or three people cone to the same thread to pound their fists about how two naval officers holding hands on a spaceship would ruin the entire franchise. Isn't it a little childish and bigoted to oppose a choice so benign and already given to the majority of players? But if it makes you feel superior to abuse yourself while fantasizing about bubble girl, might I suggest doing that and leave debating to those who actually have an argument to make.

[blazin130791]

Temper_Graniteskul wrote...

blazin130791 wrote...

Isn't it pointless to include them for the sake of including them to satisfy a minority?

No.
No more than anything else that's put into a game which isn't
used/liked by 50%+1 of overall gamers. IIRC, only a minority of gamers
go full Renegade, hardly anyone (by comparison) uses the Engineer class,
and it's almost certain that a minority of players chose to romance any
one specific LI.

There are options for a reason, even if the
majority of players never opt to use them. This option, s/s LIs for
female and male characters, would provide that option for probably
a minority of gamers, yes. But it'd provide an opportunity for some to
see themselves in Shepard, and additional options for people who prefer
different roleplaying options, at no cost for gamers who did not wish to
pursue a s/s romance. Certainly no more cost than an o/s LI that any
individual gamer chose not to pursue, anyway.

Yes there are options for a reason. But the examples you give don't relate to your argument.

And I'm not against the choice being there i''m against the people who (not you yourself though) **** and moan about there not being homosexual relationships in the game as if it is some massive game breaker that needs to be fixed. If Bioware deem it fitting then they will include it but kicking up a fuss and demanding it  will, at the very best, get what you wanted added in as a afterthough and it feeling forced.

Bioware are not neo-****s who will refuse to put gay characters in the game, now that would be worth protesting about, the writers have just made a choice not to include homosexual relationships.

And let's face it ME2, despite being a really good game, isn't exactly a "real" RPG that demans maximum open endness for your PC in that sense. It is about the choices you make that affect the galaxy that matter, your backstory is just to add a little extra depth.

Of course you can argue that adding homosexual relationships would add depth for some people, which I'd agree with, but it wouldn't make a good game. Maybe the efforts would be better directed at thigns that affect more people and affect the game on a much wider scale.

Siansonea II wrote...

blazin130791 wrote...

Isn't it pointless to include them for the sake of including them to satisfy a minority?

OMG, that's like, SO deep. I had no idea you had such an intimate knowledge of the demographics of Mass Effect players and such a clear idea of the amount of support such an initiative has.

Ply your wares elsewhere, child.

I wasn't trying to be deep, I don't see how anyone could come to the conclusion; that was intended to be deep.

Nor do I claim to have vast knowledge of the demographics but I'm making the assumption based off the fact that a fraction of people who play the game use the forum and only a fraction of those people support your cause. With a bit of research you will realise that the amount of people supporting this movement isn't all that great. Another safe assumption is that as the majority of the population is hetrosexual, so the chances are the fanbase of ME isn't some undercover gay utopia. So allthough the majority of players probably wouldn't be against homosexual relationships being included (as I have said I don't have anything against the idea of it) most probably wouldn't use the feature and would rather it not be included if that time could be spent coding something that adds to the game for everyone.

And "child"? Really. For a start I think it is you who are being childish by not responding with a balanced, coherent, argument but with a pathetic attempt at a witty insult. Anyway, in my experience, those who make a point of calling others "child" normally are either pubescent teenagers who are trying to put on a fake air of wisdom and maturity or older people who find solace in the fact they are older when all logic fails.

So to reiterate; you don't really have all that much support, you obviously have a less realistic view of the demographic than me and you suck.

Why is the need for gay romances so strong?

N.B I'm not a homophobe and have no problem with gay people.

[catabuca]

Saeran wrote...

Wow, we're all rather quick to respond. :3

Indeed. A ton of posts all refuting dear old Ramirez with exactly the same points, all within a few minutes. Gee, I guess there must be something to our argument after all.

[jlb524]

centauri2002 wrote...

Saeran wrote...

Wow, we're all rather quick to respond. :3

We've been waiting for this momentous occasion for a while. No one's letting it pass by! 

Oh, now let's wait and see if he acknowledges anyone's counter-points!

[Ramirez Wolfen]

All that during the time it took me to make a sandwich? I think ARWA is behind this......

All right, time to explain. *puts on thinking hat*

First, I will address 1 and 2.

How would they be cheapened and lose their uniqueness? Just by the fact that they are available for both Shepards. I play as both female and male Shepards for the different romances. If the romances are now available to each at the end

[adneate]

blazin130791 wrote...
N.B I'm not a homophobe and have no problem with gay people.

I'm not a racist but I don't see the need to put black people in the game just to satisfy some minority group.

[Ramirez Wolfen]

It cut off half way through??????

[thatguy212]

Ramirez if you don't want a homosexual romance then just avoid, no reason to not have one in the game, and what would be so bad about making an existing character bisexual? are you afraid tali will leave shepard for liara?

Modifié par thatguy212, 24 avril 2011 - 07:06 .

[Destroy Raiden_]

It's like gambling people not every state wants it but everyone thinks they should.

[Jademoon121]

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

All that during the time it took me to make a sandwich? I think ARWA is behind this......

All right, time to explain. *puts on thinking hat*

First, I will address 1 and 2.

How would they be cheapened and lose their uniqueness? Just by the fact that they are available for both Shepards. I play as both female and male Shepards for the different romances. If the romances are now available to each at the end

So by that logic, Liara's romance is cheapened? Despite having a larger fanbase second to Tali?

[android654]

Also, to everyone signing their posts "I'm not a homophobe" I think the content of what you post will speak truer than that statement.

[Cootie]

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

All that during the time it took me to make a sandwich? I think ARWA is behind this......

All right, time to explain. *puts on thinking hat*

First, I will address 1 and 2.

How would they be cheapened and lose their uniqueness? Just by the fact that they are available for both Shepards. I play as both female and male Shepards for the different romances. If the romances are now available to each at the end

Your Tali is available to my Shepard.
Oh, gawd, she is such a cheap romance now, isn't she?
Oh, and so's Miranda. Gee, I'm spotting a trend here.
Oh, goodness, Garrus is available to my FemShep? And yours? Goodness, this is just getting worse by the minute!

So instead of having to make two Shepards of different genders, I could play as whomever I want and romance whomever I want?
How is this terrible?