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[pvt fc jenkins]

[quote]Ryzaki wrote...

Are Garrus and Tali's romances cheaper than Ashely's and Kaidan's? [/quote]
I'ma jump back in:

Are Garrus and Tali's romances cheaper than Ashely's and Kaidan's? [/quote]
No, they are equally explicable. Either Garrus or Tali could have had feelings for Sheperd that they were either unwilling or unable to express in the first game. After reuniting with Sheperd in the second game either of them could have realized that this may be their last chance to express their feelings and get with Sheperd.
Likewise, either Ashley or Kaiden could have developed similar feelings and also been unable to express them. This could have even contributed to how they acted on horizon, adding sexual tension to their feelings of being deceived and betrayed.
(Maybe that's just because I like that both Tali and Garrus were romancable, and would like it if Ashley and/or Kaiden were bi)

[Ryzaki]

pvt fc jenkins wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Are Garrus and Tali's romances cheaper than Ashely's and Kaidan's?

I'ma jump back in:
No, they are equally explicable. Either Garrus or Tali could have had feelings for Sheperd that they were either unwilling or unable to express in the first game. After reuniting with Sheperd in the second game either of them could have realized that this may be their last chance to express their feelings and get with Sheperd.
Likewise, either Ashley or Kaiden could have developed similar feelings and also been unable to express them. This could have even contributed to how they acted on horizon, adding sexual tension to their feelings of being deceived and betrayed.
(Maybe that's just because I like that both Tali and Garrus were romancable, and would like it if Ashley and/or Kaiden were bi)

Oh I agree with this .

Horizon makes more sense if I just take it as them being overemotional and feeling betrayed. Otherwise. Bleh. <_<

Modifié par Ryzaki, 24 avril 2011 - 10:24 .

[Cootie]

Ryzaki wrote...

Blacklash93 wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

centauri2002 wrote...
Why do we have to keep explaining this? D:

I guess he's right about one thing, they're not really bisexual. They're more omnisexual since they can mate with most things, whether they're defined by sex or not.

True.

Asari are female.

Straight from the codex.

Didn't you make a thread arguing the exact opposite the other day?

Anyway, it just goes to show how little the doctors and Hudson know about their own IP.

I did. Just so people could rip the arguement to pieces.

You ought to make one concerning Tali. To see if we can't find some people whose arguments also apply for the inclusion of s/s romances.

I know you want to.

[Blacklash93]

I hated the Garrus/Tali romances. They reeked of so much fanservice it felt like bad fanfiction.

[Ryzaki]

Cootie wrote...
You ought to make one concerning Tali. To see if we can't find some people whose arguments also apply for the inclusion of s/s romances.

I know you want to.

The temptation. *looks over at trollhat*

It's calling me.

[Centauri2002]

ADLegend21 wrote...
Some asari are.

How can they be? They can mate with any species and any sex. They're not restricted by concepts of gender. 

That said, I suppose they could have been considered homosexual pre-space flight. There's no need to though since they only have one sex. It's redundant. But that's not important to this discussion. >.>

[i[Edited to fix the big fail of a typo.[/i]

Modifié par centauri2002, 24 avril 2011 - 10:40 .

[Jademoon121]

[quote]pvt fc jenkins wrote...

[quote]Ryzaki wrote...

Are Garrus and Tali's romances cheaper than Ashely's and Kaidan's? [/quote]
I'ma jump back in:

Are Garrus and Tali's romances cheaper than Ashely's and Kaidan's? [/quote]
No, they are equally explicable. Either Garrus or Tali could have had feelings for Sheperd that they were either unwilling or unable to express in the first game. After reuniting with Sheperd in the second game either of them could have realized that this may be their last chance to express their feelings and get with Sheperd.
Likewise, either Ashley or Kaiden could have developed similar feelings and also been unable to express them. This could have even contributed to how they acted on horizon, adding sexual tension to their feelings of being deceived and betrayed.
(Maybe that's just because I like that both Tali and Garrus were romancable, and would like it if Ashley and/or Kaiden were bi)[/quote]

This.

[Ramirez Wolfen]

@catabuca

I've actually answered some of these questions, it's just that the response has been more or less

"I reject your reality and substitute my own!"

I'm providing a link that basically says what I'm trying to say here, as I have other things to do (I would stay, but I have other things IRL to do).

http://social.biowar...index/6706768/1

[ADLegend21]

[quote]pvt fc jenkins wrote...

[quote]Ryzaki wrote...

Are Garrus and Tali's romances cheaper than Ashely's and Kaidan's? [/quote]
I'ma jump back in:

Are Garrus and Tali's romances cheaper than Ashely's and Kaidan's? [/quote]
No, they are equally explicable. Either Garrus or Tali could have had feelings for Sheperd that they were either unwilling or unable to express in the first game. After reuniting with Sheperd in the second game either of them could have realized that this may be their last chance to express their feelings and get with Sheperd.
Likewise, either Ashley or Kaiden could have developed similar feelings and also been unable to express them. This could have even contributed to how they acted on horizon, adding sexual tension to their feelings of being deceived and betrayed.
(Maybe that's just because I like that both Tali and Garrus were romancable, and would like it if Ashley and/or Kaiden were bi)[/quote]
hmm, you make a good point pvt fc jenkins.

[Ramirez Wolfen]

@rynluna I suspect you are a member of ARWA, so I may be ignoring you out of fear of a massive ARWA surge.

[ADLegend21]

centauri2002 wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...
Some asari are.

How can they be? They can mate with any species and any sex. They're not restricted by concepts of gender. 

That said, I suppose they could have been considered heterosexul pre-space flight. There's no need to though since they only have one sex. It's redundant. But that's not important to this discussion. >.>

oh I see. yeah let's leaveit it at that.

[Centauri2002]

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

@catabuca

I've actually answered some of these questions, it's just that the response has been more or less

"I reject your reality and substitute my own!"

I'm providing a link that basically says what I'm trying to say here, as I have other things to do (I would stay, but I have other things IRL to do).

http://social.biowar...index/6706768/1

Could you maybe point out the exact post that magically answers all of our questions? It's not exactly fair to ask us to read through all of those pages. 

ETA: What the heck is ARWA? 

Modifié par centauri2002, 24 avril 2011 - 10:31 .

[catabuca]

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

@catabuca

I've actually answered some of these questions, it's just that the response has been more or less

"I reject your reality and substitute my own!"

I'm providing a link that basically says what I'm trying to say here, as I have other things to do (I would stay, but I have other things IRL to do).

http://social.biowar...index/6706768/1

You are so unintentially hilarious.

*laughs*

You are point blank refusing to answer the questions put to you here.

I'd suggest you stop posting here until you have something worthwhile to say.

[Biotic_Warlock]

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

@rynluna I suspect you are a member of ARWA, so I may be ignoring you out of fear of a massive ARWA surge.

*whispers*
pssssst. What is ARWA?

[AngelicMachinery]

A right wing America?

Wait, I found it!  http://alruralwater.com/

Modifié par AngelicMachinery, 24 avril 2011 - 10:35 .

[Maugrim]

You know I'll give Ramirez Wolfen one thing, he is one of the better examples of the cross between an Artful Dodger and a Target He does provide a useful service in letting use have an easy to dismantle opponent and release valve from the everyday pressures.  You've got to admit there is a lot of camaraderie in this thread because of the shared laughter!

Modifié par makenzieshepard, 24 avril 2011 - 10:36 .

[JediMB]

centauri2002 wrote...

That said, I suppose they could have been considered heterosexual pre-space flight. There's no need to though since they only have one sex. It's redundant. But that's not important to this discussion. >.>

Since they only have one sex, they could only have been considered homosexual pre-space flight.

[thatguy212]

Anti Ramirez Wolfen Alliance?

[Centauri2002]

Biotic_Warlock wrote...

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

@rynluna I suspect you are a member of ARWA, so I may be ignoring you out of fear of a massive ARWA surge.

*whispers*
pssssst. What is ARWA?

I'm going to guess and say it might be something like anti-Ramirez Wolfen... something. Just a stab in the dark.

If that's the case... that's a tad self-important. >.>

Modifié par centauri2002, 24 avril 2011 - 10:38 .

[catabuca]

centauri2002 wrote...


ETA: What the heck is ARWA? 

I've just been asking myself the same question.

Wikipedia tells me: Arwa is an Arabic feminine name. It means "satisfied", "pleasant", "fresh". But in some cases it could mean "mountain goat" or "deer".

I'm no closer to understanding.

[Ryzaki]

Eh at least he let me read something interesting.

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...
I'm a writer. I've written for games before (NOT bioware RPGs). For me, this debate is about two factors: How many hours of work would it take for me to add a bisexual romance option, and could I maintain character
consistency while doing so?

Note: I give time investment estimates for implementing a particular bisexual option. These are based
on my knowledge of the NWN scripting system and other in-game content management applications. It is possible that it is MUCH more difficult and time-intensive (or that it is much less difficult and time intensive) to work within Bioware scriptiong system, so take these esptimates with a grain of salt.

How possible it is to add in a relationship without altering the character's personality depends on several factors: 

1 .How much does evidence of a character's predilictions spill outside of the romance dialogue trees?
2. How much change would be required withinexisting romantic dialogue trees? Is it possible to write dialogue that
would be believable, given the opposite gender's dialogue as cannon?
3. Is it possible to avoid accidentally flirting with the person, if your Shepard is not interested?
4. What do we know about that particular race or species's normal sexuality?

Now, let's look at Tali: 

1.
Tali is equally friendly with both genders of Shepard. I am unaware of
any dialogue outside her romance trees where she expresses a strong
gender preference.
2. Tali's romantic dialogue trees refer to shared experiences with Shepard that created these romantic feelings.
Since Tali has shared these experiences no matter what Shepard's gender is, it would be easy to find and replace gender pronouns and reuse the same dialogue with no other changes, similar to Liara.

3. No matter the gender, dialogue before flirtation with Tali is similar - theonly change being that there is an option to explicitly start flirting if you are a male, while the dialogue ends for a female.  A romance could be added while still allowing those who wish to remain platonic with Tali to do so.

4. We know little about Quarian sexuality, other than the fact that it isn't especially taboo for them to have
relationships with other species, and that they often use nerve stimulation to do so without risking infection.

Development time required to implement bisexual romance:  Less than an hour of writing. 1-2 hours of dialogue recording. 1 hour of data  entry. Possibility of maintaining character personality consistency given romantic and
non-romantic playthroughs on different genders: High. It is easy to keepTali as a platonic friend. The only thing that changes is the romantic dialogue trees. It is also easy to know Tali without ever determining what her sexual preferences are.

This is why, from a writer-developer standpoint, I don't think ALL mass effect romances should be bi, but I think that certain characters could be made Bi at a minimal expense and with minimal story impact.
While composing this, I made little notes about dialogue possibility and time estimates
for most other characters, from this same writer/developer standpoint. Ican do this with any ME romance, if anyone has any specific questions.

Edit: I don't agree with her analysis on Kaidan personally (admitting to liking woman doesn't stop someone from being bisexual. Add that to the "time constraints" and his lack of approaching Shepard becomes obvious.) but I think her about Tali is spot on.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 24 avril 2011 - 10:41 .

[Biotic_Warlock]

AngelicMachinery wrote...

A right wing America?

Wait, I found it!  http://alruralwater.com/

or

Automatic ready wheatabix awesomeness.

[Ryzaki]

DP of DOOM

DOOOM

Modifié par Ryzaki, 24 avril 2011 - 10:37 .