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[Ryzaki]

centauri2002 wrote...

@Ryzaki: Believe me, I'd prefer it if they were exclusively into female members of a species, but I think that would be pandering to my own tastes somewhat. Still, I see the logic in your argument. I can also see how their views might be different as well. It does make me wonder what asari generally find sexually attractive though if they can mate with just about anyone.

Hm a good question.

Ah well as long as my Shepard remains single, I at least want to be able to kiss Conrad. It's not like *he's* gonna say no.

[ADLegend21]

pvt fc jenkins wrote...


Woops, no harm ment.

nope.

[Maugrim]

centauri2002 wrote...

makenzieshepard wrote...

I prefer to think of it as being generous of myself

Aria has plenty of sneers and snide remarks to go around, no need to keep her to yourself. 

My Renegade FemShep wishes she'd been a LI, would have been perfect for her. *le sigh*

Hmm Kelly and Aria.... *glances at ME kmeme link*

[AngelicMachinery]

jlb524 wrote...

centauri2002 wrote...

@Ryzaki: Believe me, I'd prefer it if they were exclusively into female members of a species, but I think that would be pandering to my own tastes somewhat. Still, I see the logic in your argument. I can also see how their views might be different as well. It does make me wonder what asari generally find sexually attractive though if they can mate with just about anyone.

I've discussed this with others before and feel that it would make sense biologically if asari were pretty much exclusively attracted to other asari (and perhaps female humans/quarians by extension) given that it seems there is a physical component to their mating (along with the mental stuff) and that they evolved for millenia having sex with only other asari.  I think having them all of a sudden jump ship for other aliens that look nothing like asari (including male's of our species) is a bit ridiculous. 

However, Liara is still an option for both Shepard's, b/c if she wasn't, people would feel left out b/c they wanted to romance her with a male and etc. etc.  Well, that's fine. 

But I don't like this:  It's okay when they take a species that was for all intents and purposes lesbian pre-space flight and make them pansexual or whatever so MaleShep can have a chance at a hetero romance with one, but when we talk about doing something similar with one character (but going from 'straight' only to 'bi'), oh noes!  That's so terrible and would kill immersion!!! 

This argument has convinced me that all Asari should be lesbians... 

[catabuca]

makenzieshepard wrote...

Foryou wrote...

dragon age 2 didn't help the cause

Because of a few crybabies?

DA2 did more for the cause then we could ever hope to.

Indeed it did.

[pvt fc jenkins]

ADLegend21 wrote...

pvt fc jenkins wrote...

*Political****stormsnip*
Woops, no harm ment.

nope.

Sorry, I dig image posts.

Modifié par pvt fc jenkins, 24 avril 2011 - 11:33 .

[Centauri2002]

jlb524 wrote...

I've discussed this with others before and feel that it would make sense biologically if asari were pretty much exclusively attracted to other asari (and perhaps female humans/quarians by extension) given that it seems there is a physical component to their mating (along with the mental stuff) and that they evolved for millenia having sex with only other asari.  I think having them all of a sudden jump ship for other aliens that look nothing like asari (including male's of our species) is a bit ridiculous. 

However, Liara is still an option for both Shepard's, b/c if she wasn't, people would feel left out b/c they wanted to romance her with a male and etc. etc.  Well, that's fine. 

But I don't like this:  It's okay when they take a species that was for all intents and purposes lesbian pre-space flight and make them pansexual or whatever so MaleShep can have a chance at a hetero romance with one, but when we talk about doing something similar with one character (but going from 'straight' only to 'bi'), oh noes!  That's so terrible and would kill immersion!!! 

We couldn't possibly have all the straight males incapable of banging some of the most desirable characters in the game. Inconceivable. 

It does make sense that they'd be attracted to species similar to them, just as we are. Female humans are the closest in appearance to an asari so it's likely that they'd be the most appealing for a sexual partner outside their own species. If they're going to go for the all-female lesbian species (pre-space flight) then they might as well stay consistent. 

It irks me to some extent since it could be interpretted as a lesbian race only needing to meet males in order to set them (no pun intended) straight. That's perhaps reading into it too much but the implication is there all the same.

Then again, the fandom and the game itself is full of double standards, particularly around the sexuality issue. People need to grow up and stop worrying about what other people are doing in the privacy of their own bedrooms. Or, in this case, what other Shepards might be doing in the privacy of their own save files.

[Centauri2002]

makenzieshepard wrote...

Hmm Kelly and Aria.... *glances at ME kmeme link*

Aria and Kelly? Together? Oh, hell no! *covers eyes* Tralalala.

[FlyinElk212]

rynluna wrote...

Clonedzero wrote...

but not established characters, that'd lead to bad writing and i hate bad writing!

How is knowing someone for several years and then finally giving into your feelings bad writing?  This has never happened in the ME series.  It's always get to know someone while on your mission then sleep together before you face death in one game.

I think therein lies the best argument against the inclusion of s/s romances in ME3...and it actually has nothing to do w/ the fact that the romances are s/s.

The fact of the matter is this: introducing any romance that occurs within the third game of a trilogy has to be done in a way that doesn't feel rushed or contrived--for ME3, I think that's impossible. I'd be surprised if Bioware gave us ANY option to romance anyone other than our first two game choices.

Instead of becoming an intriguing storyline that details Shepard's love life, and his struggle to find the 1 person he truly can connect with, romances would become little more than a video game device, a "Sims"-esque scenario where you can choose whoever you want to be with! Hooray! Bouncing around from 1 character in ME1, to a new character in ME2, to a new character again in ME3 just makes Shepard look like a player- it cheapens the impact of his overarching romance subplot.

So it's not that I have anything against s/s romances--I just have something against any new romance that conveniently pops up in game 3. If they were to release a ME2 Love DLC pack, then fantastic, bring on the s/s for ME3! Just as long as the romances you chose from ME1 and/or ME2 remain your only options in ME3.

[Ryzaki]

FlyinElk212 wrote...
Instead of becoming an intriguing storyline that details Shepard's love life, and his struggle to find the 1 person he truly can connect with, romances would become little more than a video game device, a "Sims"-esque scenario where you can choose whoever you want to be with! Hooray! Bouncing around from 1 character in ME1, to a new character in ME2, to a new character again in ME3 just makes Shepard look like a player- it cheapens the impact of his overarching romance subplot.

That changes from what it is now...to...what exactly? It's already the bolded I hate to break it to you.

And you're trying to say it's impossible to find someone you can connect with in live or death situation (you know like during a suicide mission?).

Also most of my Shepards have no LI. So they wouldn't be "bouncing." they would be finding someone to be with. And Shepard can bounce just fine in ME1 and ME2 so it the impact of the overaching romance subplot can already be cheap.

The romances are lack thereof are only as cheap as the player makes them.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 24 avril 2011 - 11:45 .

[pvt fc jenkins]

centauri2002 wrote...

makenzieshepard wrote...

Hmm Kelly and Aria.... *glances at ME kmeme link*

Aria and Kelly? Together? Oh, hell no! *covers eyes* Tralalala.

But seriously, doesn't that seem a little far-fetched?

Modifié par pvt fc jenkins, 24 avril 2011 - 11:47 .

[catabuca]

Sheesh, I guess if Shepard's going to be too busy to get into a new relationship in ME3 we'd better remove the old ones too. I mean, impending doom = no time for sexings. Right?

[FlyinElk212]

Ryzaki wrote...

That changes from what it is now...to...what exactly? It's already the bolded I hate to break it to you.

And you're trying to say it's impossible to find someone you can connect with in live or death situation (you know like during a suicide mission?).

Also most of my Shepards have no LI. So they wouldn't be "bouncing." they would be finding someone to be with. And Shepard can bounce just fine in ME1 and ME2 so it the impact of the overaching romance subplot can already be cheap.

The romances are lack thereof are only as cheap as the player makes them.

Truth, and nothing's stopping a player from making the romance nothing more than a "who can I bed next" fest. I was also unaware that it was possible to be in a romance with no one--I thought that ME1 made this impossible, and that in the end, whether or not you bedded them, you have to have the flag "in a romance w/" checked with VS or Liara.

But no, I'm not trying to say it's impossible to find someone you can connect w/ in live or death situations. What I'm saying is that those scenarios have already existed within ME1 & 2, and both scenarios have already provided Shepard with ample opportunity to connect w/ a romance interest. Creating a 3rd situation where this case arises, where Shepard can choose yet another different person to romance, cheapens the entire effect-- what was the point of romancing the first two people? Why wasn't person 3 an option during the past two times?

Modifié par FlyinElk212, 24 avril 2011 - 11:53 .

[Ryzaki]

Why does everyone assume because something's cheap to *them* it's cheap to everyone else? I don't comprehend that.

I find the thought of my Shepard falling in love in ME3 with the Reapers on the loose very romantic.

[pvt fc jenkins]

catabuca wrote...

Sheesh, I guess if Shepard's going to be too busy to get into a new relationship in ME3 we'd better remove the old ones too. I mean, impending doom = no time for sexings. Right?

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRtVEzx1P9Bjtyc8g0Nfvu768g_dP6SMgYFqf25iBdmcKNKdcum&t=1

[Centauri2002]

pvt fc jenkins wrote...


But seriously, doesn't that seem a little far-fetched?

Aria would chew Kelly up and spit her out in seconds. And not in a sexy way!

[Ryzaki]

FlyinElk212 wrote...
Truth, and nothing's stopping a player from making the romance nothing more than a "who can I bed next" fest. I was also unaware that it was possible to be in a romance with no one--I thought that ME1 made this impossible, and that in the end, whether or not you bedded them, you have to have the flag "in a romance w/" checked with VS or Liara.

Not it was quite possible to end ME1 without a romance. (I had to use a nuke to do it but it was done.)

No, I'm not trying to say it's impossible to find someone you can connect w/ in live or death situations. What I'm saying is that those scenarios have already existed within ME1 & 2, and both scenarios have provided Shepard with ample opportunity to connect w/ a romance interest. Creating a 3rd situation where this case arises, where Shepard can choose yet another different person to romance, cheapens the entire effect-- what was the point of romancing the first two people? Why wasn't person 3 an option during the past two times?

And I wasn't interested in the ME1 and ME2 Lis (the ones my Shepard was allowed to romance anyway). Why would it be cheap if Shepard finds love with a completely different character? Everyone doesn't find the current line up of LIs appealing.

And it's already been 2 situations where the case arises. The third times the charm eh? 

And again. I didn't romance any of the previous people so it's not cheap to me. Person 3 wasn't an option because (most likely) person 3 wasn't there for Shepard to fall in love with. There's nothing about this that cheapens any relationship unless the player deliberately tries to cheapen them. And that would happen regardless.

Are you arguing that having the option to get with Miranda in ME2 would cheapen the romance (if someone stayed loyal to Ash) from ME1? That...that's odd. It needs to have no impact at all on your game. Just ignore the new LIs like those who stayed faithful to the VS chose to do.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 24 avril 2011 - 11:57 .

[FlyinElk212]

Ryzaki wrote...

Why does everyone assume because something's cheap to *them* it's cheap to everyone else? I don't comprehend that.

I find the thought of my Shepard falling in love in ME3 with the Reapers on the loose very romantic.

Yes, but that's only for your scenario-- I'd wager that very few people have successfully navigated both games without a single love interest.

Wouldn't you be annoyed if Garrus was suddenly a M/M romance option, despite him not even showing a hint of romantic interest in Male Shepards in the past two games?

Wouldn't you say, "Well that's cheap! Why wasn't Garrus an option in the previous games?"

If not, then I respect you for that, but have a differentiating opinion. I'm down for s/s romances in ME3, provided they add DLC content in 2 to lay believable foundations for such relationship.

[pvt fc jenkins]

centauri2002 wrote...

Aria would chew Kelly up and spit her out in seconds. And not in a sexy way!

(Hope I'm not bothering anyone with the image posts)

[Ryzaki]

FlyinElk212 wrote...
Yes, but that's only for your scenario-- I'd wager that very few people have successfully navigated both games without a single love interest.

I'd wager the opposite actually. Most people I met don't care about the romances.

Wouldn't you be annoyed if Garrus was suddenly a M/M romance option, despite him not even showing a hint of romantic interest in Male Shepards in the past two games?

Like he became an romance option in ME2 without showing romntic interest in FemShep in ME1? No I wouldn't be annoyed.

Wouldn't you say, "Well that's cheap! Why wasn't Garrus an option in the previous games?"

No I wouldn't. I'd be happy I got the option to romance him with male characters as well given that it was explained in a reasonable manner.

If not, then I respect you for that, but have a differentiating opinion. I'm down for s/s romances in ME3, provided they add DLC content in 2 to lay believable foundations for such relationship.

And that's your right. I just don't agree with the necessity of having it as DLC (which I doubt would be cost effective and is unlikely to happen.) .

Modifié par Ryzaki, 25 avril 2011 - 12:00 .

[FlyinElk212]

Ryzaki wrote...

Not it was quite possible to end ME1 without a romance. (I had to use a nuke to do it but it was done.)

LOL! That's awesome.

And I wasn't interested in the ME1 and ME2 Lis (the ones my Shepard was allowed to romance anyway). Why would it be cheap if Shepard finds love with a completely different character? Everyone doesn't find the current line up of LIs appealing.

And it's already been 2 situations where the case arises. The third times the charm eh? 

And again. I didn't romance any of the previous people so it's not cheap to me. Person 3 wasn't an option because (most likely) person 3 wasn't there for Shepard to fall in love with. There's nothing about this that cheapens any relationship unless the player deliberately tries to cheapen them. And that would happen regardless.

Valid. The argument's not failproof, as there will still be fans in your situation as well. I simply believe that it's the best counter-argument the anti-s/s side has.

Which I guess in retrospect isn't saying much...

[AngelicMachinery]

FlyinElk212 wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Why does everyone assume because something's cheap to *them* it's cheap to everyone else? I don't comprehend that.

I find the thought of my Shepard falling in love in ME3 with the Reapers on the loose very romantic.

Yes, but that's only for your scenario-- I'd wager that very few people have successfully navigated both games without a single love interest.

Wouldn't you be annoyed if Garrus was suddenly a M/M romance option, despite him not even showing a hint of romantic interest in Male Shepards in the past two games?

Wouldn't you say, "Well that's cheap! Why wasn't Garrus an option in the previous games?"

If not, then I respect you for that, but have a differentiating opinion. I'm down for s/s romances in ME3, provided they add DLC content in 2 to lay believable foundations for such relationship.

Garrus becoming gay is different than introducing a new M/M love interest.  I'm not seeing the parrels.

[Biotic_Warlock]

pvt fc jenkins wrote...

catabuca wrote...

Sheesh, I guess if Shepard's going to be too busy to get into a new relationship in ME3 we'd better remove the old ones too. I mean, impending doom = no time for sexings. Right?

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRtVEzx1P9Bjtyc8g0Nfvu768g_dP6SMgYFqf25iBdmcKNKdcum&t=1

haha, nice one.

[Ryzaki]

FlyinElk212 wrote...
LOL! That's awesome.

Hey what can I say? My Shep's a charmer. :innocent:

Valid. The argument's not failproof, as there will still be fans in your situation as well. I simply believe that it's the best counter-argument the anti-s/s side has.

Which I guess in retrospect isn't saying much...

It isn't.

But ironically enough that is a pro for the s/s side more than a con. Opening an LI to bisexuality means there's less LIs in general to deal with. Making an old LI (like Ash or Kaidan) romanceable to a new Shepard in ME3 (of either gender) means that

A. Less characters to deal with
B. Not having to write up these new characters and such and giving them a history with Shepard
C. Having a history with Shepard and the romance can flow from all three games

Of course there are holes in that as well. But thanks for the insight you'e given me something to think about.

Not adding new Lis isn't the same as making a past LI bisexual.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 25 avril 2011 - 12:04 .

[FlyinElk212]

AngelicMachinery wrote...

Garrus becoming gay is different than introducing a new M/M love interest.  I'm not seeing the parrels.

True, but that's getting into an entirely different category of problems: introducing new characters to a trilogy instead of further developing established characters.

Besides, I'd feel rather slated if Bioware opted to fix the S/S problem by simply creating a new s/s character to appease us. "Oh, cool, James "I don't care if I mack w/ dudes" Sanders......where were you in the first two games, exactly?"