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[pvt fc jenkins]

FlyinElk212 wrote...

I always thought that Chakwas's drunk "Or hell, maybe it's you!!" comment was a "Just testing the waters, see what kinda response I get" sorta sentence.

[Centauri2002]

karatemanchan37 wrote...

You have to admit Chakwas is one hell of a MILF 

No I don't, because I really don't want to screw her. 

She's the kind of woman who'll offer advice and have a long drink with you to drown your sorrows, but that's it. 

[karatemanchan37]

centauri2002 wrote...

karatemanchan37 wrote...

You have to admit Chakwas is one hell of a MILF 

No I don't, because I really don't want to screw her. 

She's the kind of woman who'll offer advice and have a long drink with you to drown your sorrows, but that's it. 

Heh - I was expecting some foreplay when she got drunk.

[Centauri2002]

karatemanchan37 wrote...

Heh - I was expecting some foreplay when she got drunk.

Of course, that's what happens when all women get drunk. 

[Mudzr]

Well i'm in full support of same sex romance in ME3.
I actually liked the all bi option of DA2, in fact I think most did but an apparently vocal minority. What's wrong with having everyone available to everyone? Realism? Um that got chucked out the window around the time eezo became the new magic.
But on a more serious note, the reason gays/ lesbian/ bis are such a minority is because of the huge amount of homophobia and general discrimination that is sadly still present in our world.

In a world where relationships with entirely different species are acceptable I see no reason why there wouldn't be more openly bisexual characters, especially amongst the alien species. For them it's more of a case of omnisexuality/ pansexuality anyways, with the idea being that they'd romance someone regardless of their species and gender.

As for the arguments on shepard's sexualities, I think that has been covered by this topic.

Also i'm fully aware of the lesbian options already present in ME1 and ME2 but really, especially concerning kelly and the devs comments concerning the asairi, I'm all for other female such as Tali being available for a lesbian romance, which i'll probably pursue with my femshep.

[pvt fc jenkins]

This thread tends too much towards the over-sensitive side.
I'm outa here.

[Centauri2002]

pvt fc jenkins wrote...

This thread tends too much towards the over-sensitive side.
I'm outa here.

I think you're confusing over sensitivity with irony? 

[karatemanchan37]

Mudzr wrote...

Well i'm in full support of same sex romance in ME3.
I actually liked the all bi option of DA2, in fact I think most did but an apparently vocal minority. What's wrong with having everyone available to everyone? Realism? Um that got chucked out the window around the time eezo became the new magic.
But on a more serious note, the reason gays/ lesbian/ bis are such a minority is because of the huge amount of homophobia and general discrimination that is sadly still present in our world.

In a world where relationships with entirely different species are acceptable I see no reason why there wouldn't be more openly bisexual characters, especially amongst the alien species. For them it's more of a case of omnisexuality/ pansexuality anyways, with the idea being that they'd romance someone regardless of their species and gender.

As for the arguments on shepard's sexualities, I think that has been covered by this topic.

Also i'm fully aware of the lesbian options already present in ME1 and ME2 but really, especially concerning kelly and the devs comments concerning the asairi, I'm all for other female such as Tali being available for a lesbian romance, which i'll probably pursue with my femshep.

I really don't mind - In fact, I think the FemShep-Liara romance is one of the more unqiue options in the game

[Centauri2002]

karatemanchan37 wrote...

I really don't mind - In fact, I think the FemShep-Liara romance is one of the more unqiue options in the game

Agreed! I'm going to ignore the fact that the exact same option was open to MaleShep. 

By the time LotSB rolled around, it definitely felt deeper and more emotional than any other romance I've come across in a game. So even if it did start off as some thinly veiled attempt at straight male pandering, it's become so much more now. At least to me.

Modifié par centauri2002, 25 avril 2011 - 01:31 .

[android654]

centauri2002 wrote...

karatemanchan37 wrote...

Heh - I was expecting some foreplay when she got drunk.

Of course, that's what happens when all women get drunk. 

If you're lucky and get drunk with the right woman that is.

[halokitty]

centauri2002 wrote...

karatemanchan37 wrote...

I really don't mind - In fact, I think the FemShep-Liara romance is one of the more unqiue options in the game

By the time LotSB rolled around, it definitely felt deeper and more emotional than any other romance I've come across in a game. So even if it did start off as some thinly veiled attempt at straight male pandering, it's become so much more now. At least to me.

Agreed! I was fortunate in that I came to ME2 when Shadow Broker was already available, so I didn't have the terrible experience of playing with no f/f option. But the culmination of Liars and Shepard's reunion in LoTSB was incredibly moving and powerful, at least to me! I felt a bit sad about missing out on a femshep/Talk romance, but in the end, reuniting with Liara was amazing.

[Kaedan94]

It would cost a lot of money to get voice actors to do scenes for same-sex relationships... definitely more than they would possibly get from selling the suggested DLC.  But aside from financial reasons...

I have no problem with the idea (it's fine if you want to roleplay a homosexual Shepard), but that doesn't automatically mean that the males (or females for femshep) on the crew have to be or should be open to the idea of it.

[catabuca]

Kaedan94 wrote...

It would cost a lot of money to get voice actors to do scenes for same-sex relationships... definitely more than they would possibly get from selling the suggested DLC.  But aside from financial reasons...

I have no problem with the idea (it's fine if you want to roleplay a homosexual Shepard), but that doesn't automatically mean that the males (or females for femshep) on the crew have to be or should be open to the idea of it.

1) How much more money would it cost, hmm? How many extra lines do you think there are to record? A handful, at most, where gendered pronouns have to be switched out, and a few select lines that mention the particular LI by name. Most conversations don't deal with gendered pronouns anyway. We already know in ME1 at least that the VAs for Shepard recorded the s/s dialogue, and it's easily integrated into the same recording sessions as the rest of the dialogue. If it was intended to be a part of the game during production, the cost of expanding a romance that already existed to make it accessible to the same sex would be negligable. Look: here. There was also a post by Gaider talking about it being relatively little work to implement s/s for an already established LI. I've been searching my bookmarks but it doesn't seem I saved it. I will continue to look for it tomorrow if you want to see it. It's 5am at I don't feel like staying up until it's light searching.

2) Thank you so very much for allowing us to roleplay a homosexual Shepard. Much obliged. Do you not see the double standard in allowing straight-identifying Shepards pursue a relationship while denying it to gay- or bi-identifying Shepards? What if the boot were on the other foot? What if I were to say, well, I don't mind if you want to roleplay a straight Shep, but that doesn't automatically mean the women on the ship will be open to the idea of it, but I'm still going to have my gay romances while you watch from the sidelines. No, not very fair is it. This is about giving choice to all players, rather than only giving choice to some. This is about giving an option to experience all parts of the game to all players, rather than to just some. Just as we can all chat to companions as friends, just as we can all shoot things up, just as we all get access to the galaxy map, just as we all get to do everything else ... all we ask is that we also get to have a romance, because you do.

Modifié par catabuca, 25 avril 2011 - 04:18 .

[thatguy212]

Kaedan94 wrote...

It would cost a lot of money to get voice actors to do scenes for same-sex relationships... definitely more than they would possibly get from selling the suggested DLC.  But aside from financial reasons...

I have no problem with the idea (it's fine if you want to roleplay a homosexual Shepard), but that doesn't automatically mean that the males (or females for femshep) on the crew have to be or should be open to the idea of it.

I'm pretty sure it wouldn't because they recorded audio for same sex relationships for the ash and kaidan in the first game, and i think for everyone except garrus in mass effect 2, they record as much dialogue from the voice actors as they possibly can, i mean didymos1120 has made 19 threads worth of unused audio so i'm pretty sure they have some money to spare to make a same sex love interest

[didymos1120]

thatguy212 wrote...
 i mean didymos1120 has made 19 threads worth of unused audio so i'm pretty sure they have some money to spare to make a same sex love interest

I'm still not done, either.  Just on hiatus.  That and they disabled video embedding, which I find highly annoying and put me off the project for a while.

[Kaedan94]

catabuca wrote...

1) How much more money would it cost, hmm? How many extra lines do you think there are to record? A handful, at most, where gendered pronouns have to be switched out, and a few select lines that mention the particular LI by name. Most conversations don't deal with gendered pronouns anyway. We already know in ME1 at least that the VAs for Shepard recorded the s/s dialogue, and it's easily integrated into the same recording sessions as the rest of the dialogue. If it was intended to be a part of the game during production, the cost of expanding a romance that already existed to make it accessible to the same sex would be negligable. Look: here. There was also a post by Gaider talking about it being relatively little work to implement s/s for an already established LI. I've been searching my bookmarks but it doesn't seem I saved it. I will continue to look for it tomorrow if you want to see it. It's 5am at I don't feel like staying up until it's light searching.

Quite a bit.  If you don't want it to be just a cheezy copy/paste, there would require a quite a bit of new dialogue.  Additionally, they would have to create more cutscenes.  You don't seem to quite understand how much work it would require to make quality content for same-sex romances.  And actors cost a lot of money.

2) Thank you so very much for allowing us to roleplay a homosexual Shepard. Much obliged. Do you not see the double standard in allowing straight-identifying Shepards pursue a relationship while denying it to gay- or bi-identifying Shepards? What if the boot were on the other foot? What if I were to say, well, I don't mind if you want to roleplay a straight Shep, but that doesn't automatically mean the women on the ship will be open to the idea of it, but I'm still going to have my gay romances while you watch from the sidelines. No, not very fair is it. This is about giving choice to all players, rather than only giving choice to some. This is about giving an option to experience all parts of the game to all players, rather than to just some. Just as we can all chat to companions as friends, just as we can all shoot things up, just as we all get access to the galaxy map, just as we all get to do everything else ... all we ask is that we also get to have a romance, because you do.

I'm not "allowing" you anything.  You're free to be you.  You're free to be homosexual, and as such free to roleplay a homosexual Shepard.  That's not me giving you permission... that's me stating a fact of life.  But the boot would never be on the other foot.  The vast majority of relationships in this world are Male/Female, necessitated by reproduction.  While homosexuals aren't rare by any means, I can safely assume that most women I run into will like men and most men I run into will like women.  The standard is that people are heterosexual.  I'm sorry if that offends you, but it's the truth.  So it makes no sense to make opposite statement you did.


But  really bottom line:  EA would add it as DLC if they thought it would be profitable.

I'm personally glad they didn't have it in the game for release.  The lengths they went to to add it to DA2 kinda stretched the boundaries.  Just as you might feel offended that there is no homosexual option in ME, there are many heterosexuals that felt offended by them overdoing it in DA2.  Having one of the cast or even a new character would be great I think.  That would satisfy the people who would like to see same-sex relationships without going overboard.  But it would be pretty ridiculous to have all the squad members be bi-sexual. 

Modifié par Kaedan94, 25 avril 2011 - 05:50 .

[Siansonea]

Ah, arrogance and entitlement rears its head again, as usual.

[ADLegend21]

Siansonea II wrote...

Ah, arrogance and entitlement rears its head again, as usual.

doesn't even surprise me.

[ADLegend21]

Kaedan94 wrote...


I'm personally glad they didn't have it in the game for release.  The lengths they went to to add it to DA2 kinda stretched the boundaries.  Just as you might feel offended that there is no homosexual option in ME, there are many heterosexuals that felt offended by them overdoing it in DA2.  Having one of the cast or even a new character would be great I think.  That would satisfy the people who would like to see same-sex relationships without going overboard.  But it would be pretty ridiculous to have all the squad members be bi-sexual. 

it's already overboard for having more than one person having feelings for comamnder Shepard. This is the military not some dating show. Keep your sisy feelings of romance to yourself and kill who I tell you to , is that clear soldier?! Mass effect is ALL about customization that'sthe point of all these choices. if someone chooses to roleplay a homosexual character they ahve the right to have an option for the shepard to find love in this effed up galaxy. it's 150+ years in the future. Surely humanity has advanced enough to not care about differences in sexuality and even embraced it. If Shepard can convince someone to risk their health to be one, I'm damn cerain they can convince someone to try "swinging from the other side of the plate".

[AngelicMachinery]

ADLegend21 wrote...

Kaedan94 wrote...


I'm personally glad they didn't have it in the game for release.  The lengths they went to to add it to DA2 kinda stretched the boundaries.  Just as you might feel offended that there is no homosexual option in ME, there are many heterosexuals that felt offended by them overdoing it in DA2.  Having one of the cast or even a new character would be great I think.  That would satisfy the people who would like to see same-sex relationships without going overboard.  But it would be pretty ridiculous to have all the squad members be bi-sexual. 

it's already overboard for having more than one person having feelings for comamnder Shepard. This is the military not some dating show. Keep your sisy feelings of romance to yourself and kill who I tell you to , is that clear soldier?! Mass effect is ALL about customization that'sthe point of all these choices. if someone chooses to roleplay a homosexual character they ahve the right to have an option for the shepard to find love in this effed up galaxy. it's 150+ years in the future. Surely humanity has advanced enough to not care about differences in sexuality and even embraced it. If Shepard can convince someone to risk their health to be one, I'm damn cerain they can convince someone to try "swinging from the other side of the plate".

[earthbornFemShep]

I'm not quite sure why people believe that adding gay characters is pandering only to gaymers. A lot of heterosexuals and bisexuals would benefit from these additional characters or character interaction. More choices add diversity to the story; homosexual people are not the only ones accessing 'gay' content. Besides, the Bioware team has pretty good writers--I'm sure they could make a moving and convincing storyline for this type of LI.

You talk about quite a bit of money being invested for this? It is called an investment for a reason: because you get a return on that investment. The ROI determines a lot of business decisions. Adding some content to satisfy this market segment could positively impact the ROI. The reason I kept my DA2 preorder was because I could have a gay character. I decided to give it try, and I'm glad I did--not just because of the LI, but of the game as well. I, in turn, told my friends about the game and convinced several of them to buy it. Guess what? The DA2 dev team's decision to add that content got them several new customers.

[InvincibleHero]

Siansonea II wrote...

Ah, arrogance and entitlement rears its head again, as usual.

Yes in every post from the OP.

This has never been answered by any of those wanting ss relationships in the game.

1. What entitles you to demand BW change Shepard to be what you want? It is their character and they have given gay options in several of their other games. So if they wanted ME to have a male loving Shepard it would have been done. It is their character abnd their dime. They made the property to make money and can use it as they see fit.

2. Are you more important than 1.5+ billion Asians that have no male or female human love interest to represent them? how about all Black males that would like a black female human LI? How about all white females that might want a white male human LI? I could list dozens and dozens? Why are you special and ENTITLED to jump to the head of the line?

3. Any time and resources spent on giving this would take from  other areas of the game. This is immutable fact. They can use their scarce limited resources making features for EVERY gamer to make the experience more pleasing for all.

4. New idea Everyone says it will not hurt the property well admit this you tube and every other video site will have sanctioned OFFICIAL videos of a gay male Shepard posted. Do you think this would have no financial impact on the salability of the character? They want "iconic or marketing Shep aka default" to be heterosexual and they don't want to offend anyone and have received vast negativity from the fanbase here for attempting to explain how Shep isn't gay with Liara. They tried to tell you but no one listens.

I have nothing against love choices in real life but this is a product put out by a company for consumers. They have a right to make what they want and either you buy it or don't. Yeah making suggestions is great but suggesting how to change this character to suit personal preference is not quite what constructive feedback is meant to entail. Not every product is meant for every consumer. Just basic logic.

How about I suggest making Kaiden female that is just as reasonable right? He didn't resonate to me as a male and I want him changed into a hot Arabic woman to suit my taste being a hetero male. All opinions being equal and some such makes this my right.  ER no I would never suggest such a thing.

Modifié par InvincibleHero, 25 avril 2011 - 06:18 .

[Kaedan94]

ADLegend21 wrote...

it's already overboard for having more than one person having feelings for comamnder Shepard. This is the military not some dating show. Keep your sisy feelings of romance to yourself and kill who I tell you to , is that clear soldier?! Mass effect is ALL about customization that'sthe point of all these choices. if someone chooses to roleplay a homosexual character they ahve the right to have an option for the shepard to find love in this effed up galaxy. it's 150+ years in the future. Surely humanity has advanced enough to not care about differences in sexuality and even embraced it. If Shepard can convince someone to risk their health to be one, I'm damn cerain they can convince someone to try "swinging from the other side of the plate".

Character is very imporant in Bioware games.  If you make all characters bi-sexual just for the sake of satisfiying a minority of your audience, it cheapens the characters and cheapens the games. 

Additionally, I find your implication that homosexual or bi-sexual people are somehow more socially evolved to be quite insulting.  Acceptance of people for who they are is socially evolved... insisting that it's more natural for everyone to be bi-sexual is not.

[Kaedan94]

earthbornFemShep wrote...
You talk about quite a bit of money being invested for this? It is called an investment for a reason: because you get a return on that investment. The ROI determines a lot of business decisions. Adding some content to satisfy this market segment could positively impact the ROI. The reason I kept my DA2 preorder was because I could have a gay character. I decided to give it try, and I'm glad I did--not just because of the LI, but of the game as well. I, in turn, told my friends about the game and convinced several of them to buy it. Guess what? The DA2 dev team's decision to add that content got them several new customers.

Yes, and I'm saying the ROI would not be worth the investment.  The crowd they would be pandering to is a minority.  And the fact they didn't have the option and aren't talking about adding anything like this supports that they probably also feel it wouldn't be profitable.

Now, if they added a character that 'happened' to be gay... fine.  But if the motivation behind a new character was just to make him/her gay to satisfy the minority crowd... that's just pandering.  And could possibly damage the IP.

[ADLegend21]

InvincibleHero wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

Ah, arrogance and entitlement rears its head again, as usual.

Yes in every post from the OP.

This has never been answered by any of those wanting ss relationships in the game.

1. What entitles you to demand BW change Shepard to be what you want? It is their character and they have given gay options in several of their other games. So if they wanted ME to have a male loving Shepard it would have been done. It is their character abnd their dime. They made the property to make money and can use it as they see fit.

2. Are you more important than 1.5+ billion Asians that have no male or female human love interest to represent them? how about all Black males that would like a black female human LI? How about all white females that might want a white male human LI? I could list dozens and dozens? Why are you special and ENTITLED to jump to the head of the line?

3. Any time and resources spent on giving this would take form  other areas of the game. This is immutable fact. They can use their scarce limited resources making faetures for EVERY gamer to make the experience more pleasing for all.

4. New idea Everyone says it will not hurt the property well admit this you tube and every other video site will have sanctioned OFFICIAL videos of a gay male Shepard posted. Do you think this would have no financial impact on the salability of the character? They want "iconic or marketing Shep aka default" to be heterosexual and they don't want to offend anyone and have received vast negativity from the fanbase here for attempting to explain how Shep isn't gay with Liara. They tried to tell you but no one listens.

1.) bioware made these boards to listen to us, the fnas the people who buy their games and pay their checks.we don't buy the game they get no moeny, simple as that.

2.) skin color =/= sexual orientation.

3.)it's ALREADY been stated that bioware has already made s/S content for preexisting squddies and ADDED it in DLC's as well and hell there's TONS of unused audio that our friend didymos has made nearly 20 threads and says there still more to come when he gets back to it. so it's not a stretch to assume there'd be nothing taken away from the game.

4,) the "iconic" face is just for someone to be put on the box and in the trailers. Bioware has stated that Shepard is YOUR character which is why he or she is customizable. in the first place. There is no canon romance, canon decision. what YOU play is canon. Bioware makes outcomes for EVERY decision so that everyone's game is different. as it's been said probably  OVER 900 times if oy don't want it in your game, dont' take the choices. you cans till have your straight romance while others have their gay romance.  some people are gay and want gay romances  and some people are srtaight but like seeing some gay roamnces, DEAL WITH IT!