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it's already overboard for having more than one person having feelings for comamnder Shepard. This is the military not some dating show. Keep your sisy feelings of romance to yourself and kill who I tell you to , is that clear soldier?! Mass effect is ALL about customization that'sthe point of all these choices. if someone chooses to roleplay a homosexual character they ahve the right to have an option for the shepard to find love in this effed up galaxy. it's 150+ years in the future. Surely humanity has advanced enough to not care about differences in sexuality and even embraced it. If Shepard can convince someone to risk their health to be one, I'm damn cerain they can convince someone to try "swinging from the other side of the plate".Posted Image



Character is very imporant in Bioware games.  If you make all characters bi-sexual just for the sake of satisfiying a minority of your audience, it cheapens the characters and cheapens the games. 

Additionally, I find your implication that homosexual or bi-sexual people are somehow more socially evolved to be quite insulting.  Acceptance of people for who they are is socially evolved... insisting that it's more natural for everyone to be bi-sexual is not.

Tali: Oh Shepard I always loved you, despite the fact that I only said facts about my people and showed my racist tendencies towardsarace my people wronged 300 years ago. I dont' care that you can kill me with the reproductive process, I love you!

Character must not be that important since Tali was made romanceable due to Popular Demand. Garrus too.

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Ah, arrogance and entitlement rears its head again, as usual.


Yes in every post from the OP.

This has never been answered by any of those wanting ss relationships in the game.

1. What entitles you to demand BW change Shepard to be what you want? It is their character and they have given gay options in several of their other games. So if they wanted ME to have a male loving Shepard it would have been done. It is their character abnd their dime. They made the property to make money and can use it as they see fit.

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LIES!!!!! I clearly remember Bioware Marketing Shepard as MY Shepard and your whole post sounds like a your angry that people want to play their Shep a different way.

PS:

Vagina(Femshep)+Vagina(Liara)= GAY SEX

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Just read the last... 22 pages... trying to catch up. *wipes brow*

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I really don't mind - In fact, I think the FemShep-Liara romance is one of the more unqiue options in the game


I agree, even though it's not my thing, so to speak. Playing through the Lair of the Shadow Broker with femShep having romanced Liara was an amazing few hours of gameplay. Bioware really excelled themselves with the romance arc there. 

InvincibleHero wrote...

This has never been answered by any of those wanting ss relationships in the game.

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1.  Nobody is claiming entitlement. Nobody. 

It's a polite request, just like every other thread that asks for ship combat, moar guns or 45 hours of Tali dancing. Bioware have absolutely no obligation to listen to anything that is said in this thread. But we still want to discuss it.

2. Again. No entitlement. If somebody else wants to make a thread for those topics, they're welcome to it. 

3. Your argument makes little sense. Based on Bioware's own metrics, only a tiny fraction of the player base uses the Engineer class. Just 19% of playthroughs (or players?) in ME2 used a female Shepard. Very few played through all the optional content and N7 missions.

50% of ME2 players didn't even finish the game!

Are you seriously suggesting Bioware cut choices just because people won't use them? That ridicules the whole point of customisation. David Gaider said more people than expected took up the Zevran m/m romance in DAO. More people than you think would use such content. 

4. Marketing is Bioware's concern. The positive media attention for DA2's s/s romances was significant. Whatever implications you draw from this are up to you. Whatever implications Bioware draws from this are up to them. We're only making a suggestion. 

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Kaedan94 wrote...

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You talk about quite a bit of money being invested for this? It is called an investment for a reason: because you get a return on that investment. The ROI determines a lot of business decisions. Adding some content to satisfy this market segment could positively impact the ROI. The reason I kept my DA2 preorder was because I could have a gay character. I decided to give it try, and I'm glad I did--not just because of the LI, but of the game as well. I, in turn, told my friends about the game and convinced several of them to buy it. Guess what? The DA2 dev team's decision to add that content got them several new customers.



Yes, and I'm saying the ROI would not be worth the investment.  The crowd they would be pandering to is a minority.  And the fact they didn't have the option and aren't talking about adding anything like this supports that they probably also feel it wouldn't be profitable.

Now, if they added a character that 'happened' to be gay... fine.  But if the motivation behind a new character was just to make him/her gay to satisfy the minority crowd... that's just pandering.  And could possibly damage the IP.


Ah yes, Mass Effect 3 should only be developed to please the majority of players. To that end, they've decided to dispense with things like FemShep and all the male Lis, and the majority of the female LIs as well. Ladies and gentlemen, in the interest of excluding as many 'minorities' of players as possible, I give you what the majority wants, the cover of Mass Effect 3:

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InvincibleHero wrote...

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Ah, arrogance and entitlement rears its head again, as usual.


Yes in every post from the OP.

This has never been answered by any of those wanting ss relationships in the game.

1. What entitles you to demand BW change Shepard to be what you want? It is their character and they have given gay options in several of their other games. So if they wanted ME to have a male loving Shepard it would have been done. It is their character abnd their dime. They made the property to make money and can use it as they see fit.

2. Are you more important than 1.5+ billion Asians that have no male or female human love interest to represent them? how about all Black males that would like a black female human LI? How about all white females that might want a white male human LI? I could list dozens and dozens? Why are you special and ENTITLED to jump to the head of the line?

3. Any time and resources spent on giving this would take from  other areas of the game. This is immutable fact. They can use their scarce limited resources making features for EVERY gamer to make the experience more pleasing for all.

4. New idea Everyone says it will not hurt the property well admit this you tube and every other video site will have sanctioned OFFICIAL videos of a gay male Shepard posted. Do you think this would have no financial impact on the salability of the character? They want "iconic or marketing Shep aka default" to be heterosexual and they don't want to offend anyone and have received vast negativity from the fanbase here for attempting to explain how Shep isn't gay with Liara. They tried to tell you but no one listens.

I have nothing against love choices in real life but this is a product put out by a company for consumers. They have a right to make what they want and either you buy it or don't. Yeah making suggestions is great but suggesting how to change this character to suit personal preference is not quite what constructive feedback is meant to entail. Not every product is meant for every consumer. Just basic logic.

How about I suggest making Kaiden female that is just as reasonable right? He didn't resonate to me as a male and I want him changed into a hot Arabic woman to suit my taste being a hetero male. All opinions being equal and some such makes this my right.  ER no I would never suggest such a thing.


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ADLegend21 wrote...

InvincibleHero wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

Ah, arrogance and entitlement rears its head again, as usual.


Yes in every post from the OP.

This has never been answered by any of those wanting ss relationships in the game.

1. What entitles you to demand BW change Shepard to be what you want? It is their character and they have given gay options in several of their other games. So if they wanted ME to have a male loving Shepard it would have been done. It is their character abnd their dime. They made the property to make money and can use it as they see fit.

2. Are you more important than 1.5+ billion Asians that have no male or female human love interest to represent them? how about all Black males that would like a black female human LI? How about all white females that might want a white male human LI? I could list dozens and dozens? Why are you special and ENTITLED to jump to the head of the line?

3. Any time and resources spent on giving this would take form  other areas of the game. This is immutable fact. They can use their scarce limited resources making faetures for EVERY gamer to make the experience more pleasing for all.

4. New idea Everyone says it will not hurt the property well admit this you tube and every other video site will have sanctioned OFFICIAL videos of a gay male Shepard posted. Do you think this would have no financial impact on the salability of the character? They want "iconic or marketing Shep aka default" to be heterosexual and they don't want to offend anyone and have received vast negativity from the fanbase here for attempting to explain how Shep isn't gay with Liara. They tried to tell you but no one listens.


1.) bioware made these boards to listen to us, the fnas the people who buy their games and pay their checks.we don't buy the game they get no moeny, simple as that.

2.) skin color =/= sexual orientation.

3.)it's ALREADY been stated that bioware has already made s/S content for preexisting squddies and ADDED it in DLC's as well and hell there's TONS of unused audio that our friend didymos has made nearly 20 threads and says there still more to come when he gets back to it. so it's not a stretch to assume there'd be nothing taken away from the game.

4,) the "iconic" face is just for someone to be put on the box and in the trailers. Bioware has stated that Shepard is YOUR character which is why he or she is customizable. in the first place. There is no canon romance, canon decision. what YOU play is canon. Bioware makes outcomes for EVERY decision so that everyone's game is different. as it's been said probably  OVER 900 times if oy don't want it in your game, dont' take the choices. you cans till have your straight romance while others have their gay romance.  some people are gay and want gay romances  and some people are srtaight but like seeing some gay roamnces, DEAL WITH IT!Posted Image


1. Do you think there is a cause and effect relationship there? LOL. If a few hundred or even as the thousand or so members all decide to not buy ME3 because no gay male Shep they'd lose what 50,000 tops. It might cost more than that to include it in the game. Besides it is likely they are not done with Shepard and future sales of all related products will dwarf that number. You still didn't reply to whay haven't they made him gay yet?

2. Same thing. They don't have a love interest to make Shepard like them like gays want. Fair is fair.

3. Umm no. Did they directly state that. Unused audio doesn't count. It makes sense if you pay someone say 50,000 (no idea no quote so don't say made up) to make them say everything you can instead of having to pay more later. It was not utilized in the retail version of the game in an unmodded playthough so they did not intend you to use it.

4. if you believe that I have land on Noveria to sell you. I don't want to get into another Shep is male canon argument but actions do speak louder than words and I'll now end this.

Problem is you want to tell BW what to put into the game to begin with. Do you tell your chef what to put in your chicken alfredo? Do you tell Betty Crocker what to put in their cakes? Not your call.

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InvincibleHero wrote...
1. What entitles you to demand BW change Shepard to be what you want? It is their character and they have given gay options in several of their other games. So if they wanted ME to have a male loving Shepard it would have been done. It is their character abnd their dime. They made the property to make money and can use it as they see fit.

Tali and Garrus, Bioware tries to give players what they want. We say that we want s/s romances. This is no more entitlement than any other request.

2. Are you more important than 1.5+ billion Asians that have no male or female human love interest to represent them? how about all Black males that would like a black female human LI? How about all white females that might want a white male human LI? I could list dozens and dozens? Why are you special and ENTITLED to jump to the head of the line?


I do not think that a) there are that many racist B) there are people asking for specifically a black woman

3. Any time and resources spent on giving this would take from  other areas of the game. This is immutable fact. They can use their scarce limited resources making features for EVERY gamer to make the experience more pleasing for all.

According to the DA team scrapping all romances would have saved barely enough resources for another squad-mate. Also since straight romances are practically guarantied allowing said LIs to be romanced by both genders would require nothing more than 3 lines of dialog and one cut-scene.

4. New idea Everyone says it will not hurt the property well admit this you tube and every other video site will have sanctioned OFFICIAL videos of a gay male Shepard posted. Do you think this would have no financial impact on the salability of the character? They want "iconic or marketing Shep aka default" to be heterosexual and they don't want to offend anyone and have received vast negativity from the fanbase here for attempting to explain how Shep isn't gay with Liara. They tried to tell you but no one listens.

Youtube is already full of videos of MShepard making out with thane/Garrus/Jacob and straight out telling Liara that he only likes men.

I have nothing against love choices in real life but this is a product put out by a company for consumers. They have a right to make what they want and either you buy it or don't. Yeah making suggestions is great but suggesting how to change this character to suit personal preference is not quite what constructive feedback is meant to entail. Not every product is meant for every consumer. Just basic logic.

Logic would also suggest a product that appeals to more customers is better than one that caters to a smaller crowd

How about I suggest making Kaiden female that is just as reasonable right? He didn't resonate to me as a male and I want him changed into a hot Arabic woman to suit my taste being a hetero male. All opinions being equal and some such makes this my right.  ER no I would never suggest such a thing.

Hyperbolic straw-man. Do you really want anyone to address this argument ?

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Siansonea II wrote...

Somebody's bucking for a Massengill Award™. Keep on tryin', little camper, keep on tryin'. Maybe this year will be the year.


I see you can't quite respond in a rational respectful humane way I see. Nothing but spam here moving on.

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Ah yes, Mass Effect 3 should only be developed to please the majority of players.



Actually yes... that should be how it is.  More specifically, the game should be developed with the majority of their target audience in mind. 

There are many decisions that need to be made when developing content for an audience.  And when those decisions create conflicts, you have to make a choice.  And the best choice to make is the one that satisfies the majority. 

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InvincibleHero wrote...

How about I suggest making Kaiden female that is just as reasonable right? He didn't resonate to me as a male and I want him changed into a hot Arabic woman to suit my taste being a hetero male. All opinions being equal and some such makes this my right.  ER no I would never suggest such a thing.


Transgendered Kaiden?  Bioware gets enough flack for bisexuality, I don't think it would go over very well.

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@Invincable Hero
1.)you missed my point entirely, return to square one please. the point was they made this place because they LISTEN TO THE FANS. that's the bottom line here.
2.)Shepard can be of any ethnicity, black white, hispanic asian, etc. that's what matters. the game is about SHEPARD, not the other characters.
3.)it was stated here, if you paid attention you'd know that. That's why my femshep gets to hug Ashley on Horizon (hug only if romanced same with the letter) it's also why Liara asks her if she's fighting to protect Miranda, who she romanced in ME2 and she responds in Jennifer hale's vice, not Mark Meers. S/S was made then cut before the game went "gold" (meaning done if you didn't know) it's there, we're just asking for it to make it to gold this time.
4.) There is NO Canon from Bioware. canon is the players it's been said in plenty of interviews of devs and tweeted about by Devs as well. Ray Muzaka even acknowledged that Shepard can be female!!! there goes you "male Shep is canon" failarguement. We're not telling Bioware what to put, we're ASKING them to include a certain romance path that has been made before but is only available with modifications. Does Betty crokcer have a message boards where they ask for customer imput, cuz I'd love to request some triple lemon cake right about now >.>

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InvincibleHero wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

Somebody's bucking for a Massengill Award™. Keep on tryin', little camper, keep on tryin'. Maybe this year will be the year.


I see you can't quite respond in a rational respectful humane way I see. Nothing but spam here moving on.

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David Gaider, Bioware lead writer, said the following in the Dragon Age forums approximately eight months ago:

"Romance options are just that-- optional. They're an extra part of the game and not really central to its purpose. Perhaps you think they should be, but that's beside the point. They're not. Being an option means that they're essentially a luxury, and while people may argue as to exactly who's luxury they get to be they don't go beyond that. They're not a right, and treating them like one is taking it a step too far. We put in content as we can afford it, based on the size of the audience that content is likely to be used by-- not according to what's "fair".

This comes with a few caveats, however:

1) We'll always put in content for smaller portions of the audience, whenever we can. In essence, anything that's available as an optional choice only applies to a smaller portion of the audience and really it's just a matter of degrees. If we only put in content that 100% of the audience would see then you would have no choices at all. That's not really what we're about, even if we do have to be realistic.

2) You don't get to argue that an option you don't like and don't intend to use shouldn't exist at all, for anyone. Sorry, but our only concern here is that there are people who will like it. If you don't, then opt not to use it. That's why it's a choice.

3) Persuant to the above, beware of majority privilege. It's very easy for people who don't have an issue that the minority feel (and this applies to race and gender-- in gaming, particularly-- as well as to sexual orientation) to believe that something is "not a problem". "I don't see why you're so uptight about it!" Realize when you make these sorts of comments that you have no idea what you're talking about, for all our sakes. You don't know what it feels like to be marginalized, and it behooves those in the majority to use at least a modicum of sensitivity when it comes to addressing such issues. No, games aren't a platform for social change, but that doesn't mean we are also absent of responsibility when we include content in our games where such issues can arise. If we were to claim "majority privilege" as our only guide, we do nothing but add to the problem. That said, we do face other limitations-- not least of which, as I said, is that this isn't the point of the game and thus is only ever going to get limited resources.

Insofar as the male-male romance content goes specifically, there's no evidence to suggest it affected sales in the slightest. In fact, our own telemetry shows that the content was used by more players than most people would assume (you can draw your own conclusions from that). If the only objection someone can muster is "it makes me uncomfortable" then there's not too much to say-- there's lots of things in a Mature-rated game that could potentially make someone uncomfortable, some of them not even optional. That's the risk you take, I guess, when you play something that is not, by design, intended to be inoffensive to all. Trying to object from an economic standpoint, however, really doesn't wash."

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InvincibleHero wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

Ah, arrogance and entitlement rears its head again, as usual.


Yes in every post from the OP.

This has never been answered by any of those wanting ss relationships in the game.

1. What entitles you to demand BW change Shepard to be what you want? It is their character and they have given gay options in several of their other games. So if they wanted ME to have a male loving Shepard it would have been done. It is their character abnd their dime. They made the property to make money and can use it as they see fit.

2. Are you more important than 1.5+ billion Asians that have no male or female human love interest to represent them? how about all Black males that would like a black female human LI? How about all white females that might want a white male human LI? I could list dozens and dozens? Why are you special and ENTITLED to jump to the head of the line?

3. Any time and resources spent on giving this would take from  other areas of the game. This is immutable fact. They can use their scarce limited resources making features for EVERY gamer to make the experience more pleasing for all.

4. New idea Everyone says it will not hurt the property well admit this you tube and every other video site will have sanctioned OFFICIAL videos of a gay male Shepard posted. Do you think this would have no financial impact on the salability of the character? They want "iconic or marketing Shep aka default" to be heterosexual and they don't want to offend anyone and have received vast negativity from the fanbase here for attempting to explain how Shep isn't gay with Liara. They tried to tell you but no one listens.

I have nothing against love choices in real life but this is a product put out by a company for consumers. They have a right to make what they want and either you buy it or don't. Yeah making suggestions is great but suggesting how to change this character to suit personal preference is not quite what constructive feedback is meant to entail. Not every product is meant for every consumer. Just basic logic.

How about I suggest making Kaiden female that is just as reasonable right? He didn't resonate to me as a male and I want him changed into a hot Arabic woman to suit my taste being a hetero male. All opinions being equal and some such makes this my right.  ER no I would never suggest such a thing.


1. I'd say Shepard as a character with very little defined canon, least of which his/her romances, could hardly be called a character, and should, until player input canonizes his history in their game, be referred to as Bioware's character ideal or template. I have no qualms with the idea that people are entitled to homosexual romances is wrong, entitlement period is pretty stupid, though it's a double edged sword: You seem to assume that because there are romances, heterosexual relationships are standard protocol and therefore players are entitled to that. Correct me if wrong.

2. A fair point, and although we can make statements about the difference between race and sexuality that would just be a stupid debate, as in the Mass Effect universe all those types you mentioned are non-existent as romances. Let me throw this at you though, why should the current romances be continued after getting some screen time when so many groups are unrepresented romantically? Why do heterosexuals end up at the front of the line automatically?

Your argument here is insulting if you're only using it to back up why homosexuals aren't included in LI situations because by lumping the absence of racial and sexual minorities within the crew spectrum together you are barring them from being represented by the same argument, and if that's the case then you don't really care about those minorities, you're just using them as a tool to preserve a character and universe you agree with.

3. Resources will be taken up by any romance, resources will be taken up by really badly done assignments or missions or good ones, resources will be taken up adding features to Shepard's cabin or by allowing players to customize Shepard's face. This argument is fallacious and it demonstrates that you feel you are entitled to a higher priority on the list than other people.

4. Mass Effect WILL sell regardless of whether some people who don't like homosexuality get their knickers in a knot. Gay players who are denied a feature they would like have pulled their heads in and said: "Well this sucks, and it feels unfair, but the game at its core is still good and I will buy it", why is it so much to ask for heterosexual people who don't like homosexuality to do the same? Because there are less homosexuals than heterosexuals? I'm sure there bisexuals who have something to say on the issue.

The argument of changing a character to suit people isn't entirely unfair however when you then go on to suggest female arab Kaidan then you are just being silly. It's been established that at some point in the development of Mass Effect, Kaidan was intepreted as potentially having a same sex relationship with a male Shepard, however it was phased out for some reason. Yet, in-game Kaidan has never given any inclination to be only heterosexual only that he is at least attracted to women, it is less changing a character and more exploring an avenue that has potentially existed from the beginning.

If Shepard can be intepreted by players by the allowed variables to a heterosexual male or a heterosexual, bisexual or homosexual female and those are clear expressions of sexual preference, why then are two categories mysteriously removed? In a game about choices, having an uneven field of sexual preferences for whatever reason does not seem right, and to claim that Bioware's Mass Effect team shouldn't respond favorably to the fans feedback and cries for equal representation so that their preference is catored in an act to balance the field is just insulting.

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InvincibleHero wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

Somebody's bucking for a Massengill Award™. Keep on tryin', little camper, keep on tryin'. Maybe this year will be the year.


I see you can't quite respond in a rational respectful humane way I see. Nothing but spam here moving on.


Pffft. Like you're spouting anything but persiflage? Whatever dude.

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1. Key word is they provide what they want. They thought it was a good idea in those instances to grant fan requests. It isn't the same thing as changing Shepard though. You just made Tali and Garrus available to the player while Shepard is still how they want him/her.

2. Who said it would be racist because a black man might want a black woman? Just because they aren't vocal about it means nothing. Just like because Shepard or Kaiden doesn't say I don't like men apparently makes them fair game. The idea is they would likely prefer someone like them just like a gay man would prefer a male LI. Like to like is so true in the vast majority of relationships nothing racist about it.

Most people accept the product they get. There are only so many options that are feasible after all. They can't put in 100 LIs and a lot of people get second or third choices or nothing.

3. Is DA Mass Effect? Nope. Resource allocation might vary. ME devs say it is expensive so who do you believe? Even if it is very cheap to make an already present LI bi as you suggest, it still remains ME devs/BW/EA controls the decision.

4. Not real. People can make what they want, but it does not represent any actual gameplay footage. I can make a video of Al Gore kissing Michael Moore does that make them gay? Nope. Just I'd be sued. BW was quite kind allowing those videos to not be yanked. Yet they still get hostility.

5. Nope too many cooks can spoil the broth to use a cliche. Too many features has doomed many a product. Games not being stream-lined enough has met with critical and financial failure again and again.

No not really. Just pointing out the impropriety in such demands. I believe no one has any right to tell a creator of any IP be it book, movie or video game to fundamentally alter the characters.

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@Wittand25

1. Key word is they provide what they want. They thought it was a good idea in those instances to grant fan requests. It isn't the same thing as changing Shepard though. You just made Tali and Garrus available to the player while Shepard is still how they want him/her.

2. Who said it would be racist because a black man might want a black woman? Just because they aren't vocal about it means nothing. Just like because Shepard or Kaiden doesn't say I don't like men apparently makes them fair game. The idea is they would likely prefer someone like them just like a gay man would prefer a male LI. Like to like is so true in the vast majority of relationships nothing racist about it.

Most people accept the product they get. There are only so many options that are feasible after all. They can't put in 100 LIs and a lot of people get second or third choices or nothing.

3. Is DA Mass Effect? Nope. Resource allocation might vary. ME devs say it is expensive so who do you believe? Even if it is very cheap to make an already present LI bi as you suggest, it still remains ME devs/BW/EA controls the decision.

4. Not real. People can make what they want, but it does not represent any actual gameplay footage. I can make a video of Al Gore kissing Michael Moore does that make them gay? Nope. Just I'd be sued. BW was quite kind allowing those videos to not be yanked. Yet they still get hostility.

5. Nope too many cooks can spoil the broth to use a cliche. Too many features has doomed many a product. Games not being stream-lined enough has met with critical and financial failure again and again.

No not really. Just pointing out the impropriety in such demands. I believe no one has any right to tell a creator of any IP be it book, movie or video game to fundamentally alter the characters.


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@Invincable Hero
1.)you missed my point entirely, return to square one please. the point was they made this place because they LISTEN TO THE FANS. that's the bottom line here.
2.)Shepard can be of any ethnicity, black white, hispanic asian, etc. that's what matters. the game is about SHEPARD, not the other characters.
3.)it was stated here, if you paid attention you'd know that. That's why my femshep gets to hug Ashley on Horizon (hug only if romanced same with the letter) it's also why Liara asks her if she's fighting to protect Miranda, who she romanced in ME2 and she responds in Jennifer hale's vice, not Mark Meers. S/S was made then cut before the game went "gold" (meaning done if you didn't know) it's there, we're just asking for it to make it to gold this time.
4.) There is NO Canon from Bioware. canon is the players it's been said in plenty of interviews of devs and tweeted about by Devs as well. Ray Muzaka even acknowledged that Shepard can be female!!! there goes you "male Shep is canon" failarguement. We're not telling Bioware what to put, we're ASKING them to include a certain romance path that has been made before but is only available with modifications. Does Betty crokcer have a message boards where they ask for customer imput, cuz I'd love to request some triple lemon cake right about now >.>


1. Really then why is this topic still here? It was argued from ME1. They don't even satisfy a small fraction of the demands on these forum and thatnk goodness for that. Their games would be garbage if they did so. Imagine if Zulu or smudboy got their way on all their rants. Posted Image

2. BINGO. Shepard is not you but a created fictional character with a life of his/her own. BW determines what you can control about Shepard. So then why exactly are you and others wanting a gay Kaiden then? Other characters don't matter right?

3. Still no written proof of a dev saying sorry we wanted to include this but....

4. So you believe only one form of their marketing where they give you the illusion you have control over Shepard's destiny. LOL. I can show you a banana and call it an apple so you would believe apple right? They don't even throw in a token fem Shep appearance now and then. They built up the male Shepard brand fact.
 
If they make a ME movie with Shepard would you bet male or female? I'd stake my life savings on male. They didn't spend millions to promote a male Shepard for nothing. shutting up now about this. Posted Image

Of course you can play a female Shepard in the game I have 2 characters myself.


5. All companies have ways you can contact them just google.

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InvincibleHero wrote...

3. Still no written proof of a dev saying sorry we wanted to include this but....


Here it is.

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@ Elitepinecone

Never said they couldn't or shouldn't make them when they want to in their games. I'm suggesting they are not going to make Shepard gay because they already haven't despite making games with gay LIs. They don't have to make every one of their games like that.

As for sales impact one game that is a sequel doesn't constitute hard facts. It sold strongly based on DA:O And awakening fans. It seems there is quite a lot of negativity around that game for many reasons. I might never buy it while loving DA:O my new #1 RPG. It could affect future sales of all BW titles.

Actually you can interpret it as there is no right to a gay LI. As I said they provide what they want and people are getting too worked up about it.

BW can make a game with all gay LI and that would be great. I would not buy it, but like I said many times there is no expectation on my part that any product has to suit me and my tastes 100%.

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InvincibleHero wrote...

1. Really then why is this topic still here? It was argued from ME1. They don't even satisfy a small fraction of the demands on these forum and thatnk goodness for that. Their games would be garbage if they did so. Imagine if Zulu or smudboy got their way on all their rants. Posted Image

2. BINGO. Shepard is not you but a created fictional character with a life of his/her own. BW determines what you can control about Shepard. So then why exactly are you and others wanting a gay Kaiden then? Other characters don't matter right?

3. Still no written proof of a dev saying sorry we wanted to include this but....

4. So you believe only one form of their marketing where they give you the illusion you have control over Shepard's destiny. LOL. I can show you a banana and call it an apple so you would believe apple right? They don't even throw in a token fem Shep appearance now and then. They built up the male Shepard brand fact.
 
If they make a ME movie with Shepard would you bet male or female? I'd stake my life savings on male. They didn't spend millions to promote a male Shepard for nothing. shutting up now about this. Posted Image

Of course you can play a female Shepard in the game I have 2 characters myself.


5. All companies have ways you can contact them just google.

1.)a small fraction is any characters fan base. Talimancer and Garrus amcners included but their requests were answered. that's the entire point of the BSN. Bioware listens to it's fans that's why we're having this conversation. also asking for romantic content is not criticizing the plot and telling bioware hwo to write their story.
2.)Shepard's romnce is part of sheaprd and Bioware has said Shepard is ours. that's why none of the novels and comics (aside from the ps3 comic about me1) contain Shepard they contain the other characters that bioware controls not the player. Bioware gave us the protaginist to do what we please with them. I can name a Male shep Unicorns and Glitter Shepard and he'd still be a badass. I can name female Shepard Chuck Norris Shepard and she'd still be sexy as all get out after she leaves the Character Creator.
3.)they didn't have to, they already created it. I have pics if you like.
4.)Commercial is one thing, actual game is another. Jennifer hale was nominated for awards as Femshep so there must be some professiional body that recognizes her, if you don't want to that's your loss buddy Also Femshep has her own website, google it sometime.
5.)but do all companies create message boards specifically designed to get fan imput on their product? I think not. that's what the BSN isPosted Image

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To your first point: I agree, nobody knows what Bioware will do. All we're making is a suggestion. You're welcome to make the opposite suggestion. At the end of the day Bioware know what they're doing, hopefully, and ME3 will still be amazing with or without s/s romances.

I also agree that there's no "right" to a gay or lesbian LI. But some - many? - would really appreciate it if there were. We can even argue, reasonably logically, I think, that more diversity in romance options is generally a good thing, even for players who would appreciate the experience without being gay or lesbian themselves.

I would find it hard to accept that DA2's less than stellar performance was a result of its romances, rather than the other 98% of its gameplay that doesn't involve same-sex love interests. That's a topic for another thread, though.

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@ Elitepinecone

Never said they couldn't or shouldn't make them when they want to in their games. I'm suggesting they are not going to make Shepard gay because they already haven't despite making games with gay LIs. They don't have to make every one of their games like that.

As for sales impact one game that is a sequel doesn't constitute hard facts. It sold strongly based on DA:O And awakening fans. It seems there is quite a lot of negativity around that game for many reasons. I might never buy it while loving DA:O my new #1 RPG. It could affect future sales of all BW titles.
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look at the hyocrite. Me mentioning that if we don't buy games had you saying "what difference would it make" but YOU don't buy one game and it could affect the future sales. My god you must burp rainbows and butterfly, cry golden tears and your dead skins cells turn into currency.Posted Image /snarkiness.

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ADLegend21 wrote...

InvincibleHero wrote...

@ Elitepinecone

Never said they couldn't or shouldn't make them when they want to in their games. I'm suggesting they are not going to make Shepard gay because they already haven't despite making games with gay LIs. They don't have to make every one of their games like that.

As for sales impact one game that is a sequel doesn't constitute hard facts. It sold strongly based on DA:O And awakening fans. It seems there is quite a lot of negativity around that game for many reasons. I might never buy it while loving DA:O my new #1 RPG. It could affect future sales of all BW titles.
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look at the hyocrite. Me mentioning that if we don't buy games had you saying "what difference would it make" but YOU don't buy one game and it could affect the future sales. My god you must burp rainbows and butterfly, cry golden tears and your dead skins cells turn into currency.Posted Image /snarkiness.


Now, there's no need for that.  Let's keep this thread civil.

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u know i once tried to romance tali with a femshep back in the early days of the release. i think tali is bi-curious but isnt willing to make the leap. i think it suits her actually. a young woman exploring her sexuality and all.