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[android654]

bigotry wakes up early 'round here.

[ElitePinecone]

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

@ElitePinecone Bioware doesn't have a "friendship path" in their romances. What if I just want to be friends? I can't, as rejecting them pretty much ends everything (the relationship, that is), which then ruins my characters.

True. But that's a failure of content in general. It applies equally to the heterosexual romances as well as any hypothetical s/s ones. Garrus had what, three conversations in ME2 if you didn't romance him? Less? 

ME3 is expected to tie up a lot of the characterisation of previous games, and even players who 'rejected' Liara were treated to a compelling 'friendship' arc in Lair of the Shadow Broker.

If this type of storytelling or something similar were available in ME3, even for characters whose romances you rejected (hypothetically assuming they exist), would you still have a problem with them becoming s/s options? 

I should also point out that in my view, the odds of Garrus ever becoming a romance option are... infinitesimally small. I think it's a fair bet that the character so many see as a 'bro' (for some reason it's only ever Garrus? I don't know why...) won't become an s/s option in  ME3/ 

[Ramirez Wolfen]

@android64 Posting an inflammatory remark (calling me a bigot) is trolling. Please refrain from that.

@ElitePinecone If Bioware was good at "friendship paths" (meaning they have implemented them and they worked before, not just one time that I'm not so sure about), I wouldn't be so strongly against it.

[MrGone]

To Ramirez Wolfen:





From: The rest of this board.

Except MrGone. I like you. You seem to use your logic parts mostly.

[Centauri2002]

I don't see your friendship reasoning as destroying the characters though, Ramirez. As we are aware, BioWare haven't been particularly good at implementing them and, even if you don't have the option to romance a character, you can't really form a strong bond of friendship with them. It would be the same relationship whether you rejected their romantic advances or if there was never a romantic advance in the first place.

Now, if you're talking about your own personal headcanon, that's another matter. But you shouldn't go pushing your own personal Shepard story on other people's games.

ETA: And in most cases you have to pursue the romance in the first place. So there's no real problem there either.

Modifié par centauri2002, 25 avril 2011 - 11:48 .

[Ramirez Wolfen]

@MrGone Unless you are being funny, I would like it better of you refrain from that, as it detracts the thread.

[android654]

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

@android64 Posting an inflammatory remark (calling me a bigot) is trolling. Please refrain from that.

You're right, when I quoted and named you specifically and called you a bigot was totally out of line. Hold on, I'll edit that previous post.... That's weird, I didn't mention you at all, but the fact that you thought it was directed at you speaks volumes.

[Ramirez Wolfen]

@centauri2002 The same can be said for you as well, though.

[Centauri2002]

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

@centauri2002 The same can be said for you as well, though.

No, it can't, because I'm not pushing my Shepard's story on anyone else. Point out where I did. 

ETA: It'd be nice if you addressed the point I was making as well.

Modifié par centauri2002, 25 avril 2011 - 11:50 .

[Ramirez Wolfen]

I wasn't talking about you, specifically.

[MrGone]

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

@MrGone Unless you are being funny, I would like it better of you refrain from that, as it detracts the thread.

Well I was trying to, but I forgot that this thread was Serious Business.

[Kaedan94]

android654 wrote...

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

@android64 Posting an inflammatory remark (calling me a bigot) is trolling. Please refrain from that.

You're right, when I quoted and named you specifically and called you a bigot was totally out of line. Hold on, I'll edit that previous post.... That's weird, I didn't mention you at all, but the fact that you thought it was directed at you speaks volumes.

Then who were you insulting?  Just because you didn't name names doesn't mean you weren't making inflamatory remarks. 

I really think you should look up the definition of bigotry.  Because I don't see many posts that qualify (Invinciblehero or whatever may have made some bigoted remarks though...not sure and don't care to read back through them). 

Modifié par Kaedan94, 25 avril 2011 - 11:58 .

[Ramirez Wolfen]

@centauri2002 It would be nice if you waited, too. Patience is a virtue.

And regarding your point, that depends on your perception on whether it is a strong bond or not.

[Centauri2002]

@Ramirez: I waited for your response and then replied. Isn't that how forums work? >.>

It's not about perspective really. Dialogue in-game doesn't change after the fact whether you reject romantic interest or not so what's the problem with adding it?

Modifié par centauri2002, 25 avril 2011 - 12:00 .

[android654]

Kaedan94 wrote...

android654 wrote...

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

@android64 Posting an inflammatory remark (calling me a bigot) is trolling. Please refrain from that.

You're right, when I quoted and named you specifically and called you a bigot was totally out of line. Hold on, I'll edit that previous post.... That's weird, I didn't mention you at all, but the fact that you thought it was directed at you speaks volumes.

Then who were you insulting?  Just because you didn't name names doesn't mean you were making inflamatory remarks. 

I really think you should look up the definition of bigotry.  Because I don't see many posts that qualify (Invinciblehero or whatever may have made some bigoted remarks though...not sure and don't care to read back through them). 

If you don't care, then why ask? If you must know, it was directed to invincible. However, if someone else see's it and feels they're being attacked, that says more than anyone finger pointing.

[Stealthy Giraffe]

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

@Nyoka

Like I said before what happened in ME2 with Tali and Garrus =/= do it again in ME3 with Tali, Garrus, Kaidan, Ashley, Miranda, and/or Jacob.

Mass Effect has enough fan service. Do I think of the Tali and Garrus romance as fan service? To be honest, I don't know and I don't care.

Because you're a fan who's already been serviced?

[ElitePinecone]

Might be good to tone down the personal responses and sniping, thanks. Please take it to PM if you have a personal disagreement with somebody.

[Ramirez Wolfen]

@Stealthy Giraffe

No, because it already happened so what are we going to do about it now?

@android654 If it was aimed at someone else (I interpreted it as an insult directed at me, as I was the only "opposition" posting at the time of your comment), you should make that clear so there isn't a misunderstanding.

[Stealthy Giraffe]

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

@Stealthy Giraffe

No, because it already happened so what are we going to do about it now?

Embrace the opportunity to allow other players to possibly get something they would like in the game, just as you were able to romance Tali in ME2.

[Ramirez Wolfen]

@Stealthy Giraffe

I don't mind having new characters being gay or bi. That way, everyone gets what they want. Isn't that a good compromise?

[android654]

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

@Stealthy Giraffe

No, because it already happened so what are we going to do about it now?

@android654 If it was aimed at someone else (I interpreted it as an insult directed at me, as I was the only "opposition" posting at the time of your comment), you should make that clear so there isn't a misunderstanding.

Unless you thought you wrote something bigoted, why even think it was directed towards you? I get you were around a few minutes ago, whatever, but if it bugs you there's a reason for it and it's not me.

[Ramirez Wolfen]

@android654

[ElitePinecone]

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

@Stealthy Giraffe

I don't mind having new characters being gay or bi. That way, everyone gets what they want. Isn't that a good compromise?

I think it is, definitely. It's at least something that most reasonable people can agree is fair. It also avoids all the messy questions of former characters. Only the "eww, gays" crowd would seem to have a problem with it, as far as I can see. 

[MrGone]

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

@Stealthy Giraffe

I don't mind having new characters being gay or bi. That way, everyone gets what they want. Isn't that a good compromise?

I tried pointing this out - AGES AGO.

But the think I realized on this thread is that the people advocating their stance are blind to logic. They seem to want a VERY specific thing and it seems slightly different for each of them.

Trying to bring any sort of logic here is like trying to bring an Ice cube to a guy living in the middle of a volcano, it's going to be nearly impossible, it's probably not worth the effort and in all liklihood you're going to get burned by the flames.