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[Siansonea]

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

@Cootie I think we are past that, though, as I have made other points.

@centauri2002 Like I said before:

Adding an service and retcons (if you believe it is) in ME2 =/= adding more fanservice and retcons (if you believe it is) in ME3

Ah, here we go with Ramirez Wolfen Math™ again. Actually doing something in ME2 is the exact same thing as doing that same something in ME3. When you do something once, and then do that same thing another time, it's equivalent. You keep using =/= as if it somehow disproves people's logic, but here's a formula maybe you can understand.

Use of =/= and other Fake Math DOES NOT EQUAL refuting a logical parallel introduced by a person on the other side of the argument.

Seriously, is this what kids are learning in school now? I shudder to think what Social Studies is like if Mathematics is getting such short shrift.

[Cootie]

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

@Cootie Isn't that what I said?

It's quite close to what you said, but absolutely not what you meant, at all. Rather the opposite. I'm claiming that exclusive heterosexuality is catering to a minority, where as your posts are the other way around.

At least I think they are.
I'm very confused now.

[Siansonea]

lolwut666 wrote...

This topic is absolutely disgusting, and not because of the subject being discussed.

I've never seen a more egocentric, inflammatory, profiling, unreasonable and self-righteous bunch anywhere on the Internet.

If you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen.

[Ramirez Wolfen]

Siansonea II, your post is a bit rude. I would like to discuss this in a polite manner, and it would be nice if you did to.

[ADLegend21]

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

Adding an service and retcons (if you believe it is) in ME2 =/= adding more fanservice and retcons (if you believe it is) in ME3

YES IT DOES! what aren't you getting about this Ramirez?! Tali will DIE from impregnation from Male Shepard, DIE, dead, killed, death, final cut any phras emeaning finality will do. Yet that's okay with you but not Ashley going "Hey SKipper, I know we're both women, but I'm extremely attracted toy ou so I'm finally admitting it to see how you feel." "I feel the same" "Great, let's go do some affectionate stuff since we're both human and there's little to no danger about that" , that's wrong to you? the tali and Garrus retcons are PERFECT examples of why there should be same sex content added, becuase there was NO way Tali and garrus owuld be romanceable if it wasn't for Tali and Garrus fans asking for it. I'd rather have same sex romance then Kill my LI or have my LI put me in shock from sex. But that's okay with you.

[Siansonea]

Siansonea II wrote...

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

@jlb524 Regardless of whether it's full of fail or not, it's in the game, and as far as I know, it's staying. What can I say?

@Stealthy Giraffe. Please refer to my argument about the friends and friend zone thing. It's a few pages back.

You do understand that the Talimance, fail or no fail, set a precedent, right? That regardless of a characters existing circumstances, if the character is popular enough, pretty much "anything goes"? Tali is a quarian, can't share food with a human, is one of a race of aliens with a very low population and therefore every quarian has a responsibility to have children if at all possible, and yet Tali throws all of that out the window just for some antibiotic-smeared sexytimes with a human? That to me is way more farfetched than Miranda saying to FemShep "I didn't know you felt that way Shepard, and it hadn't crossed my mind before, but now that I think about it, why not? Yeah, let's give it a shot." Because you see, in the latter scenario, both parties are the same species.

It cracks me up that people claim that two humans of the same sex hooking up is unrealistic unless both parties wear I Am Bisexual T-shirts in ME1 and ME2, but a human shagging a quarian or a turian is totally understandable, realistic, and normal. They're ALIENS. For all we know, they smell like mildew. And I'm thinking that the likelihood of compatible naughty bits is rather low.

@Ramirez Wolfen: No response?

[Eiliestl]

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

@Cootie Isn't that what I said?

@Eiliestl Please don't post things like this. If you do not like the topic or do not wish to discuss it, please ignore the thread, as this can come off as insulting and will detract the thread.

I would love to ignore this. But these people will ruine ME3 or many other Bioware games to come if I do because Bioware likes to please their fans.I would like to keep the gay stuff out of my video games.

[Ramirez Wolfen]

@Siansonea II What were you asking me?

@ADLegend21 Where does it say that Tali will die?

[Centauri2002]

Eiliestl wrote...

I would love to ignore this. But these people will ruine ME3 or many other Bioware games to come if I do because Bioware likes to please their fans.I would like to keep the gay stuff out of my video games.

Oh, "those people" eh? Careful, wouldn't want to catch anything from this thread.

[Saeran]

Eiliestl wrote...

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

@Cootie Isn't that what I said?

@Eiliestl Please don't post things like this. If you do not like the topic or do not wish to discuss it, please ignore the thread, as this can come off as insulting and will detract the thread.

I would love to ignore this. But these people will ruine ME3 or many other Bioware games to come if I do because Bioware likes to please their fans.I would like to keep the gay stuff out of my video games.

You can keep the "gay stuff" out of your games. By not selecting the option that pursues the "gay stuff". See how simple that was?

[Cootie]

I am not sure if the actual homosexuality of the characters is what's bothering our Ram-Wolf. I think it's more the fact that characters are altered for no other reason than to please fans.
Which is contradictory since it's already happened once, and he's fine with that change.

In my opinion, it is a bit selfish to not allow others to enjoy the same kind of fanservice.

[NICKjnp]

Siansonea II wrote...

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

@jlb524 Regardless of whether it's full of fail or not, it's in the game, and as far as I know, it's staying. What can I say?

@Stealthy Giraffe. Please refer to my argument about the friends and friend zone thing. It's a few pages back.

You do understand that the Talimance, fail or no fail, set a precedent, right? That regardless of a characters existing circumstances, if the character is popular enough, pretty much "anything goes"? Tali is a quarian, can't share food with a human, is one of a race of aliens with a very low population and therefore every quarian has a responsibility to have children if at all possible, and yet Tali throws all of that out the window just for some antibiotic-smeared sexytimes with a human? That to me is way more farfetched than Miranda saying to FemShep "I didn't know you felt that way Shepard, and it hadn't crossed my mind before, but now that I think about it, why not? Yeah, let's give it a shot." Because you see, in the latter scenario, both parties are the same species.

It cracks me up that people claim that two humans of the same sex hooking up is unrealistic unless both parties wear I Am Bisexual T-shirts in ME1 and ME2, but a human shagging a quarian or a turian is totally understandable, realistic, and normal. They're ALIENS. For all we know, they smell like mildew. And I'm thinking that the likelihood of compatible naughty bits is rather low.

I just like to keep continuity.  I wouldn't have minded if they were written at bisexual from the beginning but I just don't like retcon.  I didn't like it with Tali and Garrus.  I don't want it with existing characters.  I would prefer they make new LI's be exclusively gay or lesbian.

I liked the decision that they did in DA2 to make all LI's bisexual...but I don't think it would work in ME3.  I don't want characters changed simply because people demand they are changed.  So giving people viable choices (LI's that are only gay or lesbian) means that everyone is happy.

[ADLegend21]

Eiliestl wrote...

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

@Cootie Isn't that what I said?

@Eiliestl Please don't post things like this. If you do not like the topic or do not wish to discuss it, please ignore the thread, as this can come off as insulting and will detract the thread.

I would love to ignore this. But these people will ruine ME3 or many other Bioware games to come if I do because Bioware likes to please their fans.I would like to keep the gay stuff out of my video games.

It won't be in your game if you don't pursue it. Just like all things with bioware games, there's a CHOICE. Don't want the outcome? don't take the choice.

[Siansonea]

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

Siansonea II, your post is a bit rude. I would like to discuss this in a polite manner, and it would be nice if you did to.

Well, some would say that ALL my posts are a bit rude, but hey, I've always favored a rather direct discussion style. I'm not going to treat you kids with kid gloves. You're not porcelain dolls, you won't break. And I'm certainly not going to mollycoddle people with backward attitudes who spout prejudice as if it's perfectly justifiable. No, I'm not the 'passive resistance' type. But we can argue about my rapier wit in some other venue, what you should be doing is actually responding to the points I'm making, not deflecting with "you're rude" comments every time I make a point you don't have a response for.

[Siansonea]

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

@Siansonea II What were you asking me?

@ADLegend21 Where does it say that Tali will die?

Do you need glasses? Reposted for the THIRD time:

You do understand that the Talimance, fail or no fail, set a precedent, right? That regardless of a characters existing circumstances, if the character is popular enough, pretty much "anything goes"? Tali is a quarian, can't share food with a human, is one of a race of aliens with a very low population and therefore every quarian has a responsibility to have children if at all possible, and yet Tali throws all of that out the window just for some antibiotic-smeared sexytimes with a human? That to me is way more farfetched than Miranda saying to FemShep "I didn't know you felt that way Shepard, and it hadn't crossed my mind before, but now that I think about it, why not? Yeah, let's give it a shot." Because you see, in the latter scenario, both parties are the same species.

It cracks me up that people claim that two humans of the same sex hooking up is unrealistic unless both parties wear I Am Bisexual T-shirts in ME1 and ME2, but a human shagging a quarian or a turian is totally understandable, realistic, and normal. They're ALIENS. For all we know, they smell like mildew. And I'm thinking that the likelihood of compatible naughty bits is rather low.

Modifié par Siansonea II, 25 avril 2011 - 05:06 .

[Ramirez Wolfen]

If you don't like Eiliestl's post, please ignore it, as by responding to it in a negative matter detracts the thread.

[Eiliestl]

Saeran wrote...

Eiliestl wrote...

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

@Cootie Isn't that what I said?

@Eiliestl Please don't post things like this. If you do not like the topic or do not wish to discuss it, please ignore the thread, as this can come off as insulting and will detract the thread.

I would love to ignore this. But these people will ruine ME3 or many other Bioware games to come if I do because Bioware likes to please their fans.I would like to keep the gay stuff out of my video games.

You can keep the "gay stuff" out of your games. By not selecting the option that pursues the "gay stuff". See how simple that was?

OR they could just not put it in AT ALL. They force it on us in the real world. Don't need it in our video games.

[Cootie]

Eiliestl wrote...

OR they could just not put it in AT ALL. They force it on us in the real world. Don't need it in our video games.

Except it's already in your game.
Enjoy your Liara.

Liara's a man, by the way.

[Centauri2002]

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

If you don't like Eiliestl's post, please ignore it, as by responding to it in a negative matter detracts the thread.

But, then you're not really adding to this thread either. People have given you paragraphs of reasons behind their arguments but you always seem to answer with a single line, often ignoring points completely. It's frustrating to those who take the time to explain their thoughts when you're not bothering. 

If you don't have the time to sit down and write out a well constructed reply then just don't bother replying at all, better that than have people repeat themselves continuously.

[Centauri2002]

Eiliestl wrote...

OR they could just not put it in AT ALL. They force it on us in the real world. Don't need it in our video games.

Yes, I'm sure there's two lesbians going at it in the room with you right now.

[Ramirez Wolfen]

@Cootie Yes, I have no problem with homosexuality, just altering characters. Regardless of whether it happened before, and whether I liked it or not, what exactly would be the point of complaining about it?

@Siansonea II I don't expect you to be 100% nice, but I do expect a level of respect (as I have shown you), and if you won't do that, I do not wish to discuss with you.

[ADLegend21]

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

@ADLegend21 Where does it say that Tali will die?

Biology. Their make up is the Opposite of ours therefore should bolidy fluids be exchanged, it could cause her a severe allergic reaction resulting in death. Same with Garrus and the rest of the Turians.

[Saeran]

People wonder why this thread is particularly defensive a lot of the time. You are right Ramirez, we shouldn't respond to Eilie's post. It's just difficult when we are all the same but apparently have to be treated differently. As if most of us were a mistake from birth, as if we can't be as "manly" as "men's men". As if we can't romance. So yes it get's very defensive in this thread, apologies if I myself get defensive over it.

As I've said.. I would "like" that option. Not demanding it, but would definately enjoy the game a whole lot more if I could take part in that aspect. At the moment.. I can't.

[Ramirez Wolfen]

@ADLegend21

It's a science fiction game.

[ADLegend21]

Eiliestl wrote...

Saeran wrote...

Eiliestl wrote...

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

@Cootie Isn't that what I said?

@Eiliestl Please don't post things like this. If you do not like the topic or do not wish to discuss it, please ignore the thread, as this can come off as insulting and will detract the thread.

I would love to ignore this. But these people will ruine ME3 or many other Bioware games to come if I do because Bioware likes to please their fans.I would like to keep the gay stuff out of my video games.

You can keep the "gay stuff" out of your games. By not selecting the option that pursues the "gay stuff". See how simple that was?

OR they could just not put it in AT ALL. They force it on us in the real world. Don't need it in our video games.

Some people are gay Deal with it.

Modifié par ADLegend21, 25 avril 2011 - 05:20 .