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[earthbornFemShep]

george martin wrote...

I also support s/s romance but it won't happen in the ME series, they should have done it with the first one but didn't. They won't throw it in now for ME3. Future games need to allow us to select what romances we want in the game before we even start it.

Hi George, thanks for the support.  

Just a clarification question, what do you mean by 'allow us to select what romances we want'?  Do you mean, like a toggle (much like difficulty)? 

[earthbornFemShep]

AngelicMachinery wrote...

earthbornFemShep wrote...

Just a question, but if Bioware decides not to give us any s/s options (other than Liara and Kelli), would you be okay if they supported the modded romances?

What I mean by this is, if you modded a s/s relationship with an LI (Kaidan, Ash, Miri, Thane, Garrus, Tali, Jack, Jacob) and Bioware not only let you use that save file in ME3, but they also had the appropriate dialogue and cinematics recorded for it, would you be okay with it? Technically, it is still a mod because you had to mod your ME1 or your ME2 save file. However, if it worked seemlessly in ME3, would that be acceptable?

I can see this being a decent loophole of sorts,  but,  I'm not sure how other will feel about it.

yeah, I know it is a bit of a cop-out... but it sidesteps the whole "scary homosexuals" thing because the player would have to intentionally mod one of their savefiles... it also sidesteps the pandering because it is an easter egg. 

and it is definitely better than nothing...

I admit, though... I'd prefer an exclusively s/s character.  But I think the easter egg solution might be better than the 'we're all bisexuals' solution. 

[Maugrim]

earthbornFemShep wrote...

AngelicMachinery wrote...

earthbornFemShep wrote...

Just a question, but if Bioware decides not to give us any s/s options (other than Liara and Kelli), would you be okay if they supported the modded romances?

What I mean by this is, if you modded a s/s relationship with an LI (Kaidan, Ash, Miri, Thane, Garrus, Tali, Jack, Jacob) and Bioware not only let you use that save file in ME3, but they also had the appropriate dialogue and cinematics recorded for it, would you be okay with it? Technically, it is still a mod because you had to mod your ME1 or your ME2 save file. However, if it worked seemlessly in ME3, would that be acceptable?

I can see this being a decent loophole of sorts,  but,  I'm not sure how other will feel about it.

yeah, I know it is a bit of a cop-out... but it sidesteps the whole "scary homosexuals" thing because the player would have to intentionally mod one of their savefiles... it also sidesteps the pandering because it is an easter egg. 

and it is definitely better than nothing...

I admit, though... I'd prefer an exclusively s/s character.  But I think the easter egg solution might be better than the 'we're all bisexuals' solution. 

Of course one must realize this option would definitely leave PS3 players out in the cold.  And it could leave out XBO360 players  - I know some  ME  things on the XBOX can be modded but I don't know if relationships can, confirmation from those more knowledgeable would be nice.

The glorious PC gaming master race doesn't have to worry of course! [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/wizard.png[/smilie]

Modifié par makenzieshepard, 26 avril 2011 - 03:23 .

[earthbornFemShep]

makenzieshepard wrote...

Of course one must realize this option would definitely leave PS3 players out in the cold.  And it could leave out XBO360 players  - I know some  ME  things on the XBOX can be modded but I don't know if relationships can, confirmation from those more knowledgeable would be nice.
The glorious PC gaming master race doesn't have to worry of course! [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/wizard.png[/smilie]

Poor PS3 gamers... I didn't know they couldn't mod.

For 360 gamers, it is possible to mod the romance.  I have done it with a few of my Shepards (and I only play ME on the 360).  

Modifié par earthbornFemShep, 26 avril 2011 - 03:24 .

[AngelicMachinery]

earthbornFemShep wrote...

makenzieshepard wrote...

Of course one must realize this option would definitely leave PS3 players out in the cold.  And it could leave out XBO360 players  - I know some  ME  things on the XBOX can be modded but I don't know if relationships can, confirmation from those more knowledgeable would be nice.
The glorious PC gaming master race doesn't have to worry of course! [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/wizard.png[/smilie]

Poor PS3 gamers... I didn't know they couldn't mod.

For 360 gamers, it is possible to mod the romance.  I have done it with a few of my Shepards (and I only play ME on the 360).  

Yea PS3 doesn't really allow tweaking with games,  and Sony will sue you if you attempt to change that.

[earthbornFemShep]

I have a PS3... but I mainly only bought it to play Ratchet and Clank (yeah... I'm a dork). So, I really don't know much about it. Sad that you can't mod your save games though. PS3 used to hail itself as an open system that welcomed Linux with their cute little penguin. Not sure what happened.

So... I guess my solution would leave PS3 gamers out in the cold...

EDIT: now I've got Tom Petty stuck in my head.

Modifié par earthbornFemShep, 26 avril 2011 - 03:40 .

[Maugrim]

earthbornFemShep wrote...

I have a PS3... but I mainly only bought it to play Ratchet and Clank (yeah... I'm a dork). So, I really don't know much about it. Sad that you can mod your save games though. PS3 used to hail itself as an open system that welcomed Linux with their cute little penguin. Not sure what happened.

So... I guess my solution would leave PS3 gamers out in the cold...

I only bought mine once Metal Gear Solid 4 came out.  Even now I only have the Uncharted 1&2, the  Assassin's Creed series and The Force Unleashed 1 (2 can go DIAF).  Plus at the time it was one of the cheapest and best blu-ray players.  Still well worth it.

It almost seems like they've left as much in as they can sometimes, there is a lot of unimplemented S/S romance stuff.  Even in the DLC where it would not be expected.  In LOTSB if you modded the game to romance Miranda with Femshep Hale will speak the romance lines...serious W.T.F. Bioware?

Modifié par makenzieshepard, 26 avril 2011 - 03:39 .

[earthbornFemShep]

makenzieshepard wrote...

I only bought mine once Metal Gear Solid 4 came out.  Even now I only have the Uncharted 1&2, the  Assassin's Creed series and The Force Unleashed 1 (2 can go DIAF).  Plus at the time it was one of the cheapest and best blu-ray players.  Still well worth it.

It almost seems like they've left as much in as they can sometimes, there is a lot of unimplemented S/S romance stuff.  Even in the DLC where it would not be expected.  In LOTSB if you modded the game to romance Miranda with Femshep Hale will speak the romance lines...serious W.T.F. Bioware?

Yeah... it is a bit odd how some are there and some aren't... but I certainly appreciate the ones that are there.

[FlyinElk212]

makenzieshepard wrote...

Of course one must realize this option would definitely leave PS3 players out in the cold.  And it could leave out XBO360 players  - I know some  ME  things on the XBOX can be modded but I don't know if relationships can, confirmation from those more knowledgeable would be nice.

It is.

You just follow these steps and it's the same modding deal on the Xbox360. Thank God for Gibbed!

[earthbornFemShep]

FlyinElk212 wrote...

makenzieshepard wrote...

Of course one must realize this option would definitely leave PS3 players out in the cold.  And it could leave out XBO360 players  - I know some  ME  things on the XBOX can be modded but I don't know if relationships can, confirmation from those more knowledgeable would be nice.

It is.

You just follow these steps and it's the same modding deal on the Xbox360. Thank God for Gibbed!

I did it a different, less complex way... there are some youTube videos that show you how.  However, I've only modded the information carried over from ME1... so I don't have any modded ME2 romances  (like Miri, Thane, etc.)  Thanks for the links.

[Eterna]

 I loling so hard right now.

Modifié par Eterna5, 26 avril 2011 - 04:30 .

[InvincibleHero]

centauri2002 wrote...

InvincibleHero wrote...

Is it correct what I read no f/f with Liara in LOtSB?

You can't look this up yourself? It's all over the forums and a quick image search would certainly answer it for you. I don't know what you read to possibly give you this idea.



I hope that answers it for you.

As for some of the other things you've said on here... you seem to be making some things up to suit your argument. Kelly being a glitch because they couldn't possibly have intended lesbian interaction? What are you going to suggest next? Lesbians aren't real, they're just straight females that accidently fell into other women?

Also, there is no canon Shepard. One interpretation of Shepard is not more valid than another. I play my Shepard the way I want to. She has her own history, her own personality and, yes, her own sexuality. These have not been fully defined by BioWare but I've added them to flesh her out as a person. No one can stick a label on my Shepard for me. She has no interest in men and is only attracted to female characters. She is loyal to Liara. She's a lesbian. Other players' Shepards may not be. I don't care about those though, they don't affect me.

Why does it bother people how I play the game? I don't try to argue that your MaleShep is not straight.

Thank you for answering the question.

I am glad they did not change it as that would have been stupid. I read it several times in this thread and others, and was trusting elitepinecone or someone else would have the answer handy. I trust info other people provide because I do not own it nor did I play LOtSB. I don't buy DLC nor believe in the business model it represents. I only obtain it like buying DA:O Ultimate edition.

Made up now that is just insulting state some examples where you think I did so.

Hey way to ignore the fact I also said they intended to have it and meant it just no confirmation of anything. It is funny that it is acceptable to say hey Kaiden can be gay because he never said I don't like dudes. So yes that is possible despite all the contrary evidence provided, just like the scenario I suggested given a dev said there were no lesbian relationship with Liara in ME. I am not against f/f or m/m in any case. Publishers are free to include it in their products. I just think people read in too much, jump the gun, and assume a great deal.

Well I'll just agree to diasagree on the canon.  Proof is in what they do not what they say. BW determines each and every action any potential Shepard can make. They pick and chose what became canon from ME1 to ME2 didn't they? You are playing a game while BW is creating their canon character. Our games are like the What If of Marvel Comics. BW makes the real version and our playthroughs are the alternate reality that doesn't exist.

There is no my male Shep. He is a video game character I play in a route BW has entirely mapped out. Yes they allow some choice here and there but it is largely illusion. He still does as the puppetmaster BW wants. They have every right to do so. Your male Shep can only be gay IF BW allows it. They haven't as yet. You can think as much as you want it is so, but that is for fanfic.

[AngelicMachinery]

Eterna5 wrote...

 I loling so hard right now.

Was it really neccesary to bring that back to the bottom of the page?  

Modifié par AngelicMachinery, 26 avril 2011 - 04:29 .

[Eterna]

AngelicMachinery wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

 I loling so hard right now.

Was it really neccesary to bring that back to the bottom of the page?  

I suppose you're right, I'll edit it, sorry.

[Maugrim]

InvincibleHero wrote...


Well I'll just agree to diasagree on the canon.  Proof is in what they do not what they say. BW determines each and every action any potential Shepard can make. They pick and chose what became canon from ME1 to ME2 didn't they? You are playing a game while BW is creating their canon character. Our games are like the What If of Marvel Comics. BW makes the real version and our playthroughs are the alternate reality that doesn't exist.

Disagree all you want there is no canon.  There is a default.  Default is not canon.  Default choices were made solely to minimize the amount of people and situations they would have to introduce to people having never played Mass Effect 1.  I'll try to dig up a link to the proof of this but if you even think about it for a moment you'll realize it's true.

Modifié par makenzieshepard, 26 avril 2011 - 04:42 .

[didymos1120]

makenzieshepard wrote...
 I'll try to dig up a link to the proof of this but if you even think about it for a moment you'll realize it's true.

Won't matter.  I, and many others, have had this argument before with IH.  It's futile.  All that seems to matter is the box art (I exaggerate, but not as much as you might think).  I suggest you not waste the time or energy.

Modifié par didymos1120, 26 avril 2011 - 04:52 .

[Maugrim]

didymos1120 wrote...

makenzieshepard wrote...
 I'll try to dig up a link to the proof of this but if you even think about it for a moment you'll realize it's true.

Won't matter.  I, and many others, have had this argument before with IH.  It's futile.  All that seems to matter, is the box art (I exaggerate, but not as much as you might think).  I suggest you not waste the time or energy.

Thanks for saving me the time, much obliged!

[george martin]

earthbornFemShep wrote...

george martin wrote...

I also support s/s romance but it won't happen in the ME series, they should have done it with the first one but didn't. They won't throw it in now for ME3. Future games need to allow us to select what romances we want in the game before we even start it.

Hi George, thanks for the support.  

Just a clarification question, what do you mean by 'allow us to select what romances we want'?  Do you mean, like a toggle (much like difficulty)? 

Exactly. We can choose straight or gay romances, everyone gets what they want.

[InvincibleHero]

makenzieshepard wrote...

InvincibleHero wrote...


Well I'll just agree to diasagree on the canon.  Proof is in what they do not what they say. BW determines each and every action any potential Shepard can make. They pick and chose what became canon from ME1 to ME2 didn't they? You are playing a game while BW is creating their canon character. Our games are like the What If of Marvel Comics. BW makes the real version and our playthroughs are the alternate reality that doesn't exist.

Disagree all you want there is no canon.  There is a default.  Default is not canon.  Default choices were made solely to minimize the amount of people and situations they would have to introduce to people having never played Mass Effect 1.  I'll try to dig up a link to the proof of this but if you even think about it for a moment you'll realize it's true.

You are believing a word they created. Default and canon are one and the same. They just don't want nerdrage thrown their way. Answer one question if they made a ME movie starring Commander Shepard what are the odds there will be a female lead?

[earthbornFemShep]

george martin wrote...

earthbornFemShep wrote...

george martin wrote...

I also support s/s romance but it won't happen in the ME series, they should have done it with the first one but didn't. They won't throw it in now for ME3. Future games need to allow us to select what romances we want in the game before we even start it.

Hi George, thanks for the support.  

Just a clarification question, what do you mean by 'allow us to select what romances we want'?  Do you mean, like a toggle (much like difficulty)? 

Exactly. We can choose straight or gay romances, everyone gets what they want.

Don't forget the bisexuals! 

Yeah, this is mentioned in one of the original posts as an idea.  It has been met with mixed reviews.  Some people find it a bit offputting to have to choose something like that via toggle.  I would tend to agree with them. 

Don't misunderstand me, I can see its merits.  However, when I think about how it would be implemented... it just doesn't sit right.  What would be the default?  How do you present the toggle in a way that doesn't offput people?  It is hard to say.

Some have suggested making an NPC converse with Shepard in the beginning and subtly ask for Shepard's views on homosexuality (or rather, Shep's orientation) and using the player's response to trigger the toggle.  That would be a bit more tactful implementation and I could support that if written properly.  I'm not sure how an NPC would get on a topic like that with Shepard, but I could see it happening.  It wouldn't de-gay or de-straight characters, but it would prevent any unwanted advances from LIs that don't share Shep's orientation.

EDIT: elaborated points... added smilies. :happy:

Modifié par earthbornFemShep, 26 avril 2011 - 05:11 .

[InvincibleHero]

didymos1120 wrote...

makenzieshepard wrote...
 I'll try to dig up a link to the proof of this but if you even think about it for a moment you'll realize it's true.

Won't matter.  I, and many others, have had this argument before with IH.  It's futile.  All that seems to matter is the box art (I exaggerate, but not as much as you might think).  I suggest you not waste the time or energy.

And you can never prove BW is not being disingenuous saying we present you Sheploo but only for marketing purposes while they are indeed establishing that very character in every real meaning. You are falling for their marketing of their marketing. LOL. After a game where they promote choices cannot be seen as they already established the main character. I think they could market the game just fine using both. You would think it would gain sales if hey ladies you can be a space heroine too was more played up.  

Argue all you want default is determined by BW and we cannot change it in any way. Sounds like canon to me, but what do I know?

Answer this what matters perception (there is no canon) or the reality they are creating(you want ME look at this cool dude as CMdr Shep you get to play as)?

If you polled 100 people that heard of ME (seen ads commercials and glanced at reviews), but never played it and asked is Cmdr Shepard male I bet at least 95 say male.

[earthbornFemShep]

InvincibleHero wrote...
If you polled 100 people that heard of ME (seen ads commercials and glanced at reviews), but never played it and asked is Cmdr Shepard male I bet at least 95 say male.

most say, "Commander who?"

Modifié par earthbornFemShep, 26 avril 2011 - 05:06 .

[Maugrim]

You are off topic if you wish to discuss this one of the multiple threads you've created on it feel free. Adios.

[didymos1120]

InvincibleHero wrote...
And you can never prove BW is not being disingenuous saying we present you Sheploo but only for marketing purposes while they are indeed establishing that very character in every real meaning.

Not my problem. It's up to you to prove they are.   You're the one making the claim here.  Support it or drop it.  And that's all I have to say on the subject, so save your replies.

[Dark_Caduceus]

didymos1120 wrote...

InvincibleHero wrote...
And you can never prove BW is not being disingenuous saying we present you Sheploo but only for marketing purposes while they are indeed establishing that very character in every real meaning.

Not my problem. It's up to you to prove they are.   You're the one making the claim here.  Support it or drop it.  And that's all I have to say on the subject, so save your replies.

What a diss from the abyss... But yeah, seriously, if you're making a claim the burden of proof falls on you, not other people for rejecting your assertion.