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[ElitePinecone]

Poaches wrote...

Wittand25 wrote...

It does not need to be that blunt. A conversation with Joker can be something like the following.
Joker: I notice you keep a professional distance to your crew. (If no romance in ME1 and 2)
or
Joker: I know that you are not opposed to fraternisation. (If you import a Shepard with a romance)
Possible Answers:
Left side of the wheel: 1. right woman ( only possible female LIs for that Shepard get unlocked)
                                         2. right man ( only possible male LIs get unlocked)
                                         3. right person (all possible LIs get unlocked)
Right side of the wheel: 1. Mission more important (all possible LIs unlocked, plus paragon points)
                                            2. None of your buisness (same as above but you get renegade points)
                                

My only problem with that; is explaining how squadmates joining up in the middle of the game would know this information and not be a plothole.

?: I looked up your files the other day and noticed you're single!

 yea...

I really like this idea. It combines the best parts of 'player sets their orientation toggle' and 'player uses dialogue to start romances', making the options clear, unambiguous and impossible to misinterpret. Plus, having it as a conversation with Joker means it can take place before squadmembers are gathered - just slot it in organically as part of the opening exposition (presumably new players will need to be told what's going on...).

As for how new squadmembers would know of Shepard's relationship status - perhaps ship gossip? Judging by some of Kasumi's comments the Normandy is a hotbed of rumours, misinformation and the occasional pregnancy. Otherwise, looking at a file would work in a pinch.

[Thajocoth]

sw33ts wrote...

Well, since I went back and read the posts I missed...the only other compromise I can offer is since it seems that some people think the colored font is uh...I don't know rude/unfair, for lack of a better word.

I think people misunderstood the idea of using an alternate color, thinking that only same-sex romance options would have it.  If implemented, I'd like ALL romance options to have it, which I don't think anyone directly opposed.  Somebody correct me if I'm wrong?  Do any of you dislike the idea of, for everyone that you can romance, using an alternate text color for the option that starts it up?

[ElitePinecone]

Thajocoth wrote...

sw33ts wrote...

Well, since I went back and read the posts I missed...the only other compromise I can offer is since it seems that some people think the colored font is uh...I don't know rude/unfair, for lack of a better word.

I think people misunderstood the idea of using an alternate color, thinking that only same-sex romance options would have it.  If implemented, I'd like ALL romance options to have it, which I don't think anyone directly opposed.  Somebody correct me if I'm wrong?  Do any of you dislike the idea of, for everyone that you can romance, using an alternate text color for the option that starts it up?

I interpreted 'coloured font' as applying to all romances too. It also serves another function, apart from being a handy S/s Avoidance Device - it allows players of any orientation or preference to avoid romances they don't wish to enter into, with all the potential problems they might bring. Given that it's relatively easy to enter a romance one doesn't actually wish to, clearly highlighting romantic dialogue or triggers would improve romance options and LIs in general. Or at least that's my view.  

[MaxQuartiroli]

Thajocoth wrote...

sw33ts wrote...

Well, since I went back and read the posts I missed...the only other compromise I can offer is since it seems that some people think the colored font is uh...I don't know rude/unfair, for lack of a better word.

I think people misunderstood the idea of using an alternate color, thinking that only same-sex romance options would have it.  If implemented, I'd like ALL romance options to have it, which I don't think anyone directly opposed.  Somebody correct me if I'm wrong?  Do any of you dislike the idea of, for everyone that you can romance, using an alternate text color for the option that starts it up?

I wouldn't like it 'cause It would be just irrealistic.. Like if in our life we could be able to know exactly what will be the reaction of every person to our single word we say... Sometimes people can also misunderstand.. Didn't ever happen to you that you tried to be kind with a person and this person just thought that you could have an interest for her, and therefore she acted as a consequence of that? And after some times when you realize this you have to say "Well.. maybe we had a misunderstanding"...

Therefore I agree and I would ask for most clear dialogue lines but I don't like the idea of colors acting like warnings...

[Nox Ferocia]

=/ most of the dialog options in ME2 were as subtle as an m-920. And it was overwhelmingly clear that the writers expected female Shepherd to go after Jacob like a dog in heat.



to me there was a lot more wrong with the romance plots than just lack of options. It started with awarding achievement points for it at all, continued with penalizing players for being faithful for their previous ME1 romances, and culminated with rewarding players for dropping their current relationships in the post win section of ME2... wtf is up with all that?



I'll accept that having even a psuedo non-hetero relationship in the first one was a chancy pass with media, but the fuss was pretty low, and generated more positive reaction than negative (especially for BW's wallet) and the options in DA barely generated a foot note.



then we get ME2 where the only non-hetero options end in death, probable death / meaningless in game terms, and lack of follow through / also meaningless in game terms.



it all felt kinda like a slap in the face.



I'm sure someone at BW thought it felt "more realistic to limit non-hetero relationships", but there's another reality I'd wish they'd considered... it's obvious that there's a demand for more options, and not just from the lesbian and gay players, but the masses of bi, etc players too (some of them work for you!). it may stretch realism in the terms of the game universe for such high concentration of non-hetero options, but it doesn't need to be cannon, it'd just be nice to have the option, even if all romance was moved to something like the cerberus DLC content for suture releases (oh look, then all the conversation options could be added as obviously new options... and you wouldn't have to beat people with a hammer to tell them it's a romance option)



tl;dr?

hey BW, more romance options, stick em ALL in DLC, and remove the squik factors of awarding points for it, and rewarding unfaithfulness... would you kindly with a biotic dominate on top... er... pretty please... yeah... that's what I meant.

[Siansonea]

Eddo36 wrote...

That was uncalled for, I was only pointing out the fact. Was stating that it's always sad to see someone lose.

Did I hurt your feelings? If so, I'm sorry. If you're just trying to stir the pot, then I'm not sorry.

[Strykermp5]

i support it so long as there is a "Renegage Interrupt" available when shep gets hit on by either same sex or opposite sex (whatever floats your boat) that cause shep to draw his/her weapon and execute the offending party... point blank... and in a hail of bullets. As he/she ejects the thermal clip he/she says, "I dont swing that way"

of... course this would ruin your chance at a "keeping everyone alive" acheivement.

Modifié par Strykermp5, 06 juillet 2010 - 08:02 .

[Siansonea]

Strykermp5 wrote...

i support it so long as there is a "Renegage Interrupt" available when shep gets hit on by either same sex or opposite sex (whatever floats your boat) that cause shep to draw his/her weapon and execute the offending party... point blank... and in a hail of bullets. As he/she ejects the thermal clip he/she says, "I dont swing that way"

of... course this would ruin your chance at a "keeping everyone alive" acheivement.

Riiiight.

Because the appropriate response to unwanted romantic interest is...murder.

The future of human society, ladies and gentlemen. <_<

[zvbxrpl]

Strykermp5 wrote...

i support it so long as there is a "Renegage Interrupt" available when shep gets hit on by either same sex or opposite sex (whatever floats your boat) that cause shep to draw his/her weapon and execute the offending party... point blank... and in a hail of bullets. As he/she ejects the thermal clip he/she says, "I dont swing that way"

of... course this would ruin your chance at a "keeping everyone alive" acheivement.

GRATUITOUS LETHAL FORCE IN RESPONSE TO SMALL IRRITATIONS IS FUNNY LAWL.

*facepalm*

[Bryy_Miller]

Eddo36 wrote...

^ Or serial killers.They can't help being born that way.  Representation for that, too. Is that your point?

Dexter should not be in ME. I do not agree with that kind of PR.

[zvbxrpl]

Bryy_Miller wrote...

Eddo36 wrote...

^ Or serial killers.They can't help being born that way.  Representation for that, too. Is that your point?

Dexter should not be in ME. I do not agree with that kind of PR.

You kidding? Space Dexter would be awesome.  Probably more as an NPC than as a squaddie, unless Bioware's big problem with ME2 was that it *just wasn't dark enough.*

Seriously, though, Eddo, this is the kind of comment that makes it impossible to discuss this with you.

[Poaches]

Someone always *suggests* this; like in every similar topic; in every game. Like some kind of forced meme for reinforcing your manhood or something.



Slightly better than that one suggestion that any m/m LI should be ugly, fat, flaming and ****ty though.



And I swear killing off teamates you don't like in BW games has become a sort of tradition. "Heroic Sacrifice"? more like witch burning.

[elearon1]

>>Eddo36 wrote...



^ Or serial killers.They can't help being born that way. Representation for that, too. Is that your point?<<



Actually, that is a common misconception about serial killers - the psychopathology surrounding the phenomenon is vastly more complicated than that ... but I won't waste thread space here educating you on it.



As for Heroic Sacrifice as a way of getting rid of people you don't like ... I think that depends on your playthrough. I did sacrifice Kaiden the first time because I liked Ash better. (even if my femshep couldn't romance her) But this playthrough I'm playing a male and both romancing, then sacrificing Ash - it will add to the trauma of my character's story and when he romances Miranda in the second game there will be some serious psychological undertones to that decision.



On the topic of dialog and romance, I know a lot of people complain when you reach the point in the game where you're about half way through and you'd said everything you can to the crew, so they brush you off from that point on. I think it would be a great incentive to pursue a romance if doing so opened up some more conversation material with that individual ... thus people would want to romance each person at least once throughout their varied playthroughs just to see what the additional dialog was.

[Tirigon]

MaxQuartiroli wrote...

SorenTrigg wrote...

Again people. Mono means one. Asari are not lacking in sex.
They have breasts. They have children. They all have female voice actors. They all use female pronouns.

And don't forget the dialogue between male Shepard and Kaidan after you rescue Liara in ME1, when they argue about who must have the priority with that "cute girl"

Kaidan is an idiot who knows nothing about aliens....

Modifié par Tirigon, 06 juillet 2010 - 10:24 .

[Siansonea]

zvbxrpl wrote...

Bryy_Miller wrote...

Eddo36 wrote...

^ Or serial killers.They can't help being born that way.  Representation for that, too. Is that your point?

Dexter should not be in ME. I do not agree with that kind of PR.

You kidding? Space Dexter would be awesome.  Probably more as an NPC than as a squaddie, unless Bioware's big problem with ME2 was that it *just wasn't dark enough.*

Seriously, though, Eddo, this is the kind of comment that makes it impossible to discuss this with you.

Uh, guys? We already have Space Dexter as a potential squad mate. Or do the words "ardat-yakshi" mean nothing to you?

[Tirigon]

MaxQuartiroli wrote...

And I trust that no one ever tried to consider a romance  between a male Shep and Liara like something different from an heterosexual relationship between a man and a woman.

I did, therefore

Therefore a romance between fem Shep and Asari is s/s romance....

is now wrong.

[Siansonea]

Tirigon wrote...

MaxQuartiroli wrote...

SorenTrigg wrote...

Again people. Mono means one. Asari are not lacking in sex.
They have breasts. They have children. They all have female voice actors. They all use female pronouns.

And don't forget the dialogue between male Shepard and Kaidan after you rescue Liara in ME1, when they argue about who must have the priority with that "cute girl"

Kaidan is an idiot who knows nothing about aliens....

But he's sooooo dreamy!

Seriously though I like Kaidan a lot better than some characters. Characters whose names start with T and end in ali'Zorah. Kaidan will talk to a Shepard of either gender about his past without getting weird about it (Ashley) or coquettish (Liara).

The 'friendly' dialogue in ME1 was much better than the paltry morsels of conversation you get in ME2, even including the romance dialogue. Everything is so abbreviated, like Garrus is looking at his watch the whole time you're talking to him. The conversations that are the best to me are the conversations with Samara, I don't feel like she's saying her three lines and then you leave. And I feel like there are more instances of new dialogue with her, whereas with Garrus I feel like he's saying "I can't talk to you again until after Horizon" after what, one conversation?

Modifié par Siansonea II, 06 juillet 2010 - 10:32 .

[Tirigon]

Siansonea II wrote...
But he's sooooo dreamy!

Seriously though I like Kaidan a lot better than some characters. Characters whose names start with T and end in ali'Zorah. Kaidan will talk to a Shepard of either gender about his past without getting weird about it (Ashley) or coquettish (Liara).

The 'friendly' dialogue in ME1 was much better than the paltry morsels of conversation you get in ME2, even including the romance dialogue. Everything is so abbreviated, like Garrus is looking at his watch the whole time you're talking to him. The conversations that are the best to me are the conversations with Samara, I don't feel like she's saying her three lines and then you leave. And I feel like there are more instances of new dialogue with her, whereas with Garrus I feel like he's saying "I can't talk to you again until after Horizon" after what, one conversation?

I agree with most of what you said, but Kaidan still doesn´t know anything about aliens:P
He even admits it.

[Siansonea]

Tirigon wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...
But he's sooooo dreamy!

Seriously though I like Kaidan a lot better than some characters. Characters whose names start with T and end in ali'Zorah. Kaidan will talk to a Shepard of either gender about his past without getting weird about it (Ashley) or coquettish (Liara).

The 'friendly' dialogue in ME1 was much better than the paltry morsels of conversation you get in ME2, even including the romance dialogue. Everything is so abbreviated, like Garrus is looking at his watch the whole time you're talking to him. The conversations that are the best to me are the conversations with Samara, I don't feel like she's saying her three lines and then you leave. And I feel like there are more instances of new dialogue with her, whereas with Garrus I feel like he's saying "I can't talk to you again until after Horizon" after what, one conversation?

I agree with most of what you said, but Kaidan still doesn´t know anything about aliens:P
He even admits it.

Yeah I know. I was just trying to steer away from that abyss named "what gender are asari?"

[Siansonea]

Nadia73 wrote...

just swinging by for support and to leave some goodies for my peeps...

Ooooh nooooo!!!! Carbs!!!!

[Siansonea]

True. However, none of the carbs pictured are good. But they're just eye candy anyway.

[Siansonea]

Get it? Eye candy? Because it's a picture of candy...



Never mind.