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[ElitePinecone]

centauri2002 wrote...

AiLeO wrote...

ElitePinecone wrote...

Though I can understand wanting to escape Jacob. >___>

Jacob doesn't come on to you first. It's Shepard and her whole "Mr. Taylor" schtick. *shudders*
But the end result does need escaping, though. >_>

Yeah, it's not Jacob's fault. I feel almost bad for him but I have an aversion to his character because of BioWare's choice with FemShep's dialogue there. I avoided speaking to him at every opportunity on my second play through. >.>

I played my first femShep playthrough just a little while ago, determined to stick with Kaidan from the original ME.

Needless to say, the dialogue/voice acting for Jacob made me totally committed to this. "Hello" became "Hello Mr. Sexypants I want to get to know you!!!!!".

Here's hoping that isn't repeated in ME3. Let players initiate romance and don't make the default conversation paths so dang full of flirting >___>

It did strike me as odd, though, that if you didn't romance some of the characters (Garrus, Jacob, Miranda) there were literally maybe one, two or perhaps three maximum dialogues with them throughout the whole course of the game. Some more depth even in friendship paths would be awesome. 

[Centauri2002]

ElitePinecone wrote...

I played my first femShep playthrough just a little while ago, determined to stick with Kaidan from the original ME.

Needless to say, the dialogue/voice acting for Jacob made me totally committed to this. "Hello" became "Hello Mr. Sexypants I want to get to know you!!!!!".

Here's hoping that isn't repeated in ME3. Let players initiate romance and don't make the default conversation paths so dang full of flirting >___>

It did strike me as odd, though, that if you didn't romance some of the characters (Garrus, Jacob, Miranda) there were literally maybe one, two or perhaps three maximum dialogues with them throughout the whole course of the game. Some more depth even in friendship paths would be awesome. 

I agree. I hope they allow for character exploration outside the confines of romantic dialogue. A romance shouldn't define a character, it should be an added bonus. And no more forced flirting. I'll decide which characters I want to flirt with. D:

[ElitePinecone]

ReallyRue wrote...

Aside from his loyalty quest, I never speak to him. It's a shame, because maybe I'd like him more if I could talk to him without shuddering. Maybe one day I'll import a maleShep and do it that way.

MaleShep is just as bad, I think. 

I'm not sure if femShep has the same dialogue, but at some point just before the suicide mission Jacob complains about the ship and crew being so uptight and serious. There's a renegade line, a neutral line (something like "it's a tough mission, stay serious") and a Paragon line about the ship needing a bar. The one you choose determines the line you hear from Jacob when trying to talk to him on every later occasion.

For the Paragon bar line, it's something horribly awkward and clunky and weird about how they'll spill some drinks on the Citadel and 'get live' once the mission's over. Even the friendship path is hilariously... discomforting - as though Shep was a 'bro. Weirdly out of place in what's usually a realistic retro-feel sci-fi universe with clever humour. 

Does that line also appear for femShep? I avoided Jacob entirely for my femShep playthrough so I never checked. 

[JediMB]

Get Magna Carter wrote...

JediMB wrote...

Get Magna Carter wrote...

Personally I consider Asari to be an exotic gender (between hermaphrodite and female) which does not exist in the real world - calling them all female is simpler than defining a new gender just for them.

If you don't mind my asking, what is it with Asari biology that makes you not consider them truly female?

Also, have you read about parthenogenesis and the New Mexico whiptail?

ultimately because sex is the key defining quality definng male and female

Asari reproduction is not aesexual like the whiptail but requires a mate to take on the male role.
As Asari can take on both male and female roles they can be considered a form of hermaphrodite despite there being no dedicated male organ involved (thus enabling non Asari of any gender to be father of an Asari child).

Now if you can find a real-world species which reproduces by joining nervous systems with mates through skin contact then we may have a more meaningful comparison.

I will add that I do consider Asari to be feminine in physique and stereotypical personality traits and they are consistantly addressed/described with female words.

Asari sex isn't necessarily that different from the whiptail's "mock mating". The joining of nervous systems seems to simply be an alternate way of triggering the egg's meiosis.

Now, one reason why Asari can not be considered a form of hermaphrodite due to taking on a "male" role is, of course, that a human female could fill that exact same role while clearly being 100% female. Another is that there are no male reproductive functions within the species.

Modifié par JediMB, 02 mai 2011 - 03:06 .

[Ryzaki]

Imperium Alpha wrote...

Biotic_Warlock wrote...

They also said making all bi in DA2 was being forceful... WRONG.
The magic option to prevent any romance is there - click that and u dont even remember they are like that.

False. Anders is still trying to rape me thus i'm super agressive againts him to make him shut up and I will kill him because he ****** me off. <_<

There's this magical icon that makes all the flirting go away. 



Use it. 

[Stanley Woo]

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[earthbornFemShep]

ElitePinecone wrote...

Does that line also appear for femShep? I avoided Jacob entirely for my femShep playthrough so I never checked. 

Yup.  My femshep and Jacob are "bros"... sorta.  He also suggests we spill some drinks on the Citadel.

[android654]

You know, all of these people protesting the "all bi" option for fear that they'll be drowned by attention leads me to think it's not something they deal with in their daily lives. People flirt, especially when there's nothing to do but drink, kill, and f*ck. It's quite logical that people would welcome a different way to kill time in-between fights.

[Sinnerous]

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[Clonedzero]

android654 wrote...

You know, all of these people protesting the "all bi" option for fear that they'll be drowned by attention leads me to think it's not something they deal with in their daily lives. People flirt, especially when there's nothing to do but drink, kill, and f*ck. It's quite logical that people would welcome a different way to kill time in-between fights.

no. its more the fact they'd be radically changing established characters. but i guess people dont want to keep the integrity of characters when it suits their agenda. so garrus is bi now completely out of the blue? it completely goes against the mentor type relationship/friendship that garrus and male shepard have established over two full games.

im not anti-same sex relationships, im anti bad writing.

changing characters sexual preference in the third installment of a series is BAD writing. sure you could go "they were bi all along and were too shy to share their feelings" but again, thats HORRIBLE writing.

not against adding in a bi character or two, but dont mess with established characters. it would ruin them, some more than others.

[Shimmer_Gloom]

One, I think people have to have different standards for games than they do 'static' mediums like novels or movies. As bioware has said "there is no cannon." So, if a character was revealed to be gay, or bi, and hadn't been previously... eh? Its a game. Its about chances for interaction, not developing some kind of static story one can look at and say 'this happened.' It's about 'I did this.' And that is a subtle distinction.

I liked the four LI in DA2 idea. In the specific playthrough it makes perfect sense. Anders opens up about being bi if you are into that. If you are playing as a woman it isn't mentioned and for that playthrough he could be totally straight. If the PC can be different in different playthroughs why not the npcs?

Also, do you think it is significantly more difficult to have sex with a male Turrian than a female Turrian? Would Garrus be more attracted to a female Shep than a male Shep? I'm not absolutely sure it would be any less ridiculously awkward and strange for Garrus and Shepard to have sex regardless of Shepard's gender. Or, for that case, Tali.

I mean, once you are jumping across the massive gulf of species its kinda moot what gender they are in my opinion.

[Centauri2002]

Nyoka wrote...

Just remember people, if you ever come out as a gay person, you wouldn't be keeping your character's integrity and your personality will be ruined, as will be your relationships with your friends and coworkers. And you will be to blame for that.

Oh shoot, that's what I've been doing wrong all these years. I can't blame people for saying I'm a poor example of a human being now. Darn it all.

@Shimmer: You may have a point there. If you're going to open yourself up to inter-species relationships, then gender seems slightly insignificant in comparison.

Modifié par centauri2002, 03 mai 2011 - 12:56 .

[lolwut666]

@Shimmer_Gloom

I disagree, because sex between males and females is different than same sex intercourse.

If Garrus is hetero, then he would be more willing to have sex with a female or another species, because I doubt he'd be willing to have passive anal intercourse, as would be the case if he had sex with another male.

[Centauri2002]

lolwut666 wrote...

@Shimmer_Gloom

I disagree, because sex between males and females is different than same sex intercourse.

If Garrus is hetero, then he would be more willing to have sex with a female or another species, because I doubt he'd be willing to have passive anal intercourse, as would be the case if he had sex with another male.

That's assuming he has the same physiology as a human. If he doesn't then his view may be different. 

[android654]

Clonedzero wrote...

android654 wrote...

You know, all of these people protesting the "all bi" option for fear that they'll be drowned by attention leads me to think it's not something they deal with in their daily lives. People flirt, especially when there's nothing to do but drink, kill, and f*ck. It's quite logical that people would welcome a different way to kill time in-between fights.

no. its more the fact they'd be radically changing established characters. but i guess people dont want to keep the integrity of characters when it suits their agenda. so garrus is bi now completely out of the blue? it completely goes against the mentor type relationship/friendship that garrus and male shepard have established over two full games.

So true, a student has never admired a teacher in a romantic or sexual sense. It's practically unheard of. Imagine having a character like Garrus who abandoned his whole life to follow this man across the galaxy, became heralded as a hero, and tried to accomplish the same on his own only to find himself in the company of the same teacher, giving him purpose once again. Nope, nothing romanticized about their meeting ever, you win.

[lolwut666]

@android654

Not everything needs to have a sexual undertone, y'know.

[Centauri2002]

android654 wrote...

So true, a student has never admired a teacher in a romantic or sexual sense. It's practically unheard of. Imagine having a character like Garrus who abandoned his whole life to follow this man across the galaxy, became heralded as a hero, and tried to accomplish the same on his own only to find himself in the company of the same teacher, giving him purpose once again. Nope, nothing romanticized about their meeting ever, you win.

No to mention that FemShep was just as much a mentor to Garrus as MaleShep was. >.>

[lolwut666]

@centauri2002

Your guess is as good as mine about that.

It could be different or it could be similar.

Since we don't actually get to see any intercourse, and the game never goes in-depth about alien sexual practices, I think it's fair to assume that it is similar to ours, otherwise we'd have difficulty relating to it.

[android654]

lolwut666 wrote...

@android654

Not everything needs to have a sexual undertone, y'know.

Depends on the person... Trust me.

Hell even if it's purely platonic, I doubt you could even try to concieve of an argument that states platonic relationships never become romantic or sexual.

[lolwut666]

Well, you said it yourself that it "depends on the person".

And yes, sometimes they do, but not always.

I might be in the minority, but I think a sexual undertone wold cheapen the relationship between Garrus and ManShep.

What happened with pure friendship?

[Centauri2002]

lolwut666 wrote...

@centauri2002

Your guess is as good as mine about that.

It could be different or it could be similar.

Since we don't actually get to see any intercourse, and the game never goes in-depth about alien sexual practices, I think it's fair to assume that it is similar to ours, otherwise we'd have difficulty relating to it.

From a design perspective, I'd tend to agree with you. BioWare have consistently made the races as similar to humans as possible so we can relate to them. It wouldn't surprise me if they decided turians had the exact same parts as a human. If the need ever arises to decide on something like that, that is. >.>

That said, we're talking about this from an in-game perspective so I'm still pretty clueless as to how a different species might view inter-species relationships in comparison to gender relations. It's difficult to put myself in their position without more information on their culture. D:

Oh, and on your reply about friendship with Garrus. Does that mean the mentor relationship with FemShep is cheapened? I liked to think of my FemShep as a teacher for Garrus in ME1. Although, he seemed to have outgrown her in ME2. Of course, she never went beyond friendship with him so the point is rather moot for her. But other FemShep players may disagree.

Modifié par centauri2002, 03 mai 2011 - 01:18 .

[android654]

What's happened to friends with benefits?

[Clonedzero]

android654 wrote...

Clonedzero wrote...

android654 wrote...

You know, all of these people protesting the "all bi" option for fear that they'll be drowned by attention leads me to think it's not something they deal with in their daily lives. People flirt, especially when there's nothing to do but drink, kill, and f*ck. It's quite logical that people would welcome a different way to kill time in-between fights.

no. its more the fact they'd be radically changing established characters. but i guess people dont want to keep the integrity of characters when it suits their agenda. so garrus is bi now completely out of the blue? it completely goes against the mentor type relationship/friendship that garrus and male shepard have established over two full games.

So true, a student has never admired a teacher in a romantic or sexual sense. It's practically unheard of. Imagine having a character like Garrus who abandoned his whole life to follow this man across the galaxy, became heralded as a hero, and tried to accomplish the same on his own only to find himself in the company of the same teacher, giving him purpose once again. Nope, nothing romanticized about their meeting ever, you win.

yeah sure, lets ruin their friendship dynamic. thats awesome.

[android654]

Clonedzero wrote...

android654 wrote...

Clonedzero wrote...

android654 wrote...

You know, all of these people protesting the "all bi" option for fear that they'll be drowned by attention leads me to think it's not something they deal with in their daily lives. People flirt, especially when there's nothing to do but drink, kill, and f*ck. It's quite logical that people would welcome a different way to kill time in-between fights.

no. its more the fact they'd be radically changing established characters. but i guess people dont want to keep the integrity of characters when it suits their agenda. so garrus is bi now completely out of the blue? it completely goes against the mentor type relationship/friendship that garrus and male shepard have established over two full games.

So true, a student has never admired a teacher in a romantic or sexual sense. It's practically unheard of. Imagine having a character like Garrus who abandoned his whole life to follow this man across the galaxy, became heralded as a hero, and tried to accomplish the same on his own only to find himself in the company of the same teacher, giving him purpose once again. Nope, nothing romanticized about their meeting ever, you win.

yeah sure, lets ruin their friendship dynamic. thats awesome.

Isn't that the fun of an rpg? In one playthrough, they'll be friends, in another they'll be involved, or friends that had one sexual encounter. You can still be friends with him, while someone else's shepard rubs his 5 o'clock shadow against his exoskeleton.