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[Tirigon]

iCandy is the name of a sex toy.

[Siansonea]

Nadia73 wrote...
you must indulge sometimes... to deprive yourself would turn you into a crankball that goes on forums and argues stuff to death! XD

Oh, that would never hap...

Hey!

I Saw What You Did There.

[FourSixEight]

Siansonea II wrote...

zvbxrpl wrote...

Bryy_Miller wrote...

Eddo36 wrote...

^ Or serial killers.They can't help being born that way.  Representation for that, too. Is that your point?

Dexter should not be in ME. I do not agree with that kind of PR.

You kidding? Space Dexter would be awesome.  Probably more as an NPC than as a squaddie, unless Bioware's big problem with ME2 was that it *just wasn't dark enough.*

Seriously, though, Eddo, this is the kind of comment that makes it impossible to discuss this with you.

Uh, guys? We already have Space Dexter as a potential squad mate. Or do the words "ardat-yakshi" mean nothing to you?

Pfah, Space Dexter is probably giving The-Person-Which-You-Refer-To too much credit. At least Dexter had a halfway decent reason as to why he did the things he did, i.e., not 'FOR THE LULZ.'

[ElitePinecone]

Siansonea II wrote...

The 'friendly' dialogue in ME1 was much better than the paltry morsels of conversation you get in ME2, even including the romance dialogue. Everything is so abbreviated, like Garrus is looking at his watch the whole time you're talking to him. The conversations that are the best to me are the conversations with Samara, I don't feel like she's saying her three lines and then you leave. And I feel like there are more instances of new dialogue with her, whereas with Garrus I feel like he's saying "I can't talk to you again until after Horizon" after what, one conversation?

The downside, I suppose, to the flood of new squadmembers we got thrown in ME2 was the comparative lack of dialogue between primary missions. This was largely due, I think. to the many, many more plot missions in ME2 which opened up new dialogue trees compared to the first Mass Effect. We had something like 8 or 10 recruitment missions and up to 12 loyalty ones, plus Horizon and some other spoiler-y plot ones. It'd be very difficult to make enough conversations for each of the 10 (minus Kasumi and Zaeed) characters to fill every gap, whereas in ME there were only 4 or so plot worlds that needed  conversation fillers, and half the number of characters. I did feel like some of the second-tier recruitable characters (Thane and Samara especially) had so much more dialogue than Garrus it wasn't funny. I talked to Samara/Thane at least 5 times and still don't think I finished their conversation trees. 

And totally agree with the Kaidan comment 

[Bryy_Miller]

FourSixEight wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

zvbxrpl wrote...

Bryy_Miller wrote...

Eddo36 wrote...

^ Or serial killers.They can't help being born that way.  Representation for that, too. Is that your point?

Dexter should not be in ME. I do not agree with that kind of PR.

You kidding? Space Dexter would be awesome.  Probably more as an NPC than as a squaddie, unless Bioware's big problem with ME2 was that it *just wasn't dark enough.*

Seriously, though, Eddo, this is the kind of comment that makes it impossible to discuss this with you.

Uh, guys? We already have Space Dexter as a potential squad mate. Or do the words "ardat-yakshi" mean nothing to you?

Pfah, Space Dexter is probably giving The-Person-Which-You-Refer-To too much credit. At least Dexter had a halfway decent reason as to why he did the things he did, i.e., not 'FOR THE LULZ.'

I always wanted to start a meme.

[Gibb_Shepard]

And turn male shepard gay? **** off, he's not gay, the options to do another guy would be disgusting. This isn't a game about exploring ****** romance fantasies, its a game about a bad ass commander saving the galaxy, while also being able to take part in side activities that normal males would, WOMEN.

[brfritos]

Gibb_Shepard wrote...

And turn male shepard gay? **** off, he's not gay, the options to do another guy would be disgusting. This isn't a game about exploring ****** romance fantasies, its a game about a bad ass commander saving the galaxy, while also being able to take part in side activities that normal males would, WOMEN.

You're sure your name is not John Wayne?

[Bryy_Miller]

Gibb_Shepard wrote...

And turn male shepard gay? **** off, he's not gay, the options to do another guy would be disgusting. This isn't a game about exploring ****** romance fantasies, its a game about a bad ass commander saving the galaxy, while also being able to take part in side activities that normal males would, WOMEN.

"Homosexuals don't even know how to SAVE galaxies!"

[Poaches]

When was romance ever about sex? You'd have to be pretty deprived to think love is equivalent to sex, or immature to let the media outlets drone you into thinking as such. If it is the latter case, I'd have to feel sorry for you.



And what about Fem-shep? she's not made purely for your fantasies you know.



Pff, even without sex involved you'd probably still be against it; a bad ass shepard out to save the galaxy, probably wouldn't be so insecure about themselves in the first place. I don't see a shepard raging so hard when a salarian thinks he's hitting on him.

do you?

[Yana Montana]

I have a super bad ass Renegate Shepard. And he is gay.

[Delta_Echo]

Yes we have and most of us have come to the conclusion that it made no sense to have a predefined character for everything BUT sexual orientation for male Shepards.  This would mean playing Mass Effect as anything other than default male "John" Shepard, the neutral/renegade Soldier, would be "wrong" and technically shouldn't be allowed.

Shepard is an N7 Operative and a Spectre. That's all that's set in stone. Everything else - sex, personality, personal history, sexuality - that's up to the player. 

So basically creative control at Bioware said  "Shepard isn't gay  its not who he/she is. This isn't the same as Dragon Age or Jade Empire where the character is an empty shell  or a place holder for the players personality"  Shepard is a character that is significantly developed that can be influenced by the player, but he's not simply an empty placeholder for the player, and he's not gay, sorry.

And you whine: " But I want him to be gay! Make him gay!

I think that about sums it up.

[Wittand25]

Delta_Echo wrote...
So basically creative control at Bioware said  "Shepard isn't gay  its not who he/she is. This isn't the same as Dragon Age or Jade Empire where the character is an empty shell  or a place holder for the players personality"  Shepard is a character that is significantly developed that can be influenced by the player, but he's not simply an empty placeholder for the player, and he's not gay, sorry.

And you whine: " But I want him to be gay! Make him gay!

I think that about sums it up.

No we say that Shepard beeing predefined sexual orientation makes no sense because Shepard does not even have a predefined sex. Not to mention that if Shepard is female in both games same sex encounters ( ok in ME1 only with discount lesbians) exist.
If Shepard was predefined there would be far less discussion about this topic but as it stands the player controls Shepard´s sex, appearance, birth place,the reason why (s)he was choosen as specter canditate and Shepard´s skillset even before ME1 starts. There is nothing in Shepard´s past prior to ME1 that the player has no control over so saying that Shepard is a significally developed is simply wrong. ME is not like Alpha Protocol or the Witcher that have predefined characters that only allow the player to control skillselection.

Modifié par Wittand25, 07 juillet 2010 - 09:38 .

[Poaches]

Delta_Echo wrote...

So basically creative control at Bioware said  "Shepard isn't gay  its not who he/she is. This isn't the same as Dragon Age or Jade Empire where the character is an empty shell  or a place holder for the players personality"  Shepard is a character that is significantly developed that can be influenced by the player, but he's not simply an empty placeholder for the player, and he's not gay, sorry.

And you whine: " But I want him to be gay! Make him gay!

I think that about sums it up.

So basically, you were in such desperation to throw in that dead horse argument that you never bothered to read the OP.

Figures.

Modifié par Poaches, 07 juillet 2010 - 04:33 .

[Stanley Woo]

Let's remember to keep it civil and mature, please. We can disagree with each other without resorting to name-calling or insults. Thank you.

[Siansonea]

It's amazing how many people try to ride dead horses and then wonder why they never get anywhere. "Shepard Is A Predefined Character" is only one of many dead horse arguments we've seen. "Asari Aren't Female" is another one. What are some other equine corpses we've seen on this thread and its predecessors? I'm kind of drawing a blank. It would be helpful to review what ground we've covered so we can start talking about something fresh.

[Nordic Einar]

I think "homosexuality hurts sales" could be listed under the "rotting equines" list, considering the success of games like DA:O, both Fables, etc.

[SorenTrigg]

Nordic Einar wrote...

I think "homosexuality hurts sales" could be listed under the "rotting equines" list, considering the success of games like DA:O, both Fables, etc.

Well, that, and people don't seem to count f/f as homosexuality or being gay. Since ME1 had it , KOTOR had it, Jade Empire had it (as well as m/m), and Bioware is still making games.
So it is not like having m/m in Mass Effect 3 is going to bankrupt them.

[staldore13]

as i said on the last of these threads

im all for it with several conditions

1. the homosexual characters are all new no spontanious flipping of sexuallity for preexisting characters

2.no achievents for specific romance interests like what dragon age did

3. NO CLONES OF ZEVRAN!

that is all

[MarchWaltz]

I dont care. I actually want (in general) when your talking to someone an option where it says *FLIRT*/*ROMANCE* and it takes you to another dialog wheel, like how investigate does. That could be for romance only.



I want to get to know Jack, or Miranda, or talk to Tali, and not be able to give the slightest hint of flirtation or what not.

[Bryy_Miller]

Siansonea II wrote...

It's amazing how many people try to ride dead horses and then wonder why they never get anywhere. "Shepard Is A Predefined Character" is only one of many dead horse arguments we've seen. "Asari Aren't Female" is another one. What are some other equine corpses we've seen on this thread and its predecessors? I'm kind of drawing a blank. It would be helpful to review what ground we've covered so we can start talking about something fresh.

I find it utterly disappointing when people go "you can't use your imagination! Nuuuuuuuuuuu!".

[SorenTrigg]

staldore13 wrote...

1. the homosexual characters are all new no spontanious flipping of sexuallity for preexisting characters

What is wrong with having preexisting characters become open? None of them have set sexualities until one of them actually comes out and says 'Sorry Shepard, I am only into guys.' or what have you.
As it stands, no matter what prior relationships one of them had, they could very well be bisexual.

[Siansonea]

SorenTrigg wrote...

staldore13 wrote...

1. the homosexual characters are all new no spontanious flipping of sexuallity for preexisting characters

What is wrong with having preexisting characters become open? None of them have set sexualities until one of them actually comes out and says 'Sorry Shepard, I am only into guys.' or what have you.
As it stands, no matter what prior relationships one of them had, they could very well be bisexual.

I assume he means it would be unsatisfactory if a character who is open to opposite-sex romance in previous games suddenly becomes exclusively homosexual. I would disagree with that as well. It's perfectly natural if some of the existing characters reveal themselves to be bisexual, all they have to say is "I didn't know you swung that way Shepard, or I would have said something sooner". Voilá, plot hole discussion abyss averted.

[elearon1]

>>As it stands, no matter what prior relationships one of them had, they could very well be bisexual.<<



Agreed, sometimes people become open to this later; sometimes it takes them a while to come to terms with their feelings if this is the first time they've had them for a character of the same sex. This is why I really wouldn't mind seeing Tali become a f/f romance in the third game, as she might be struggling with the issue in the second game and not yet come to accept her feelings. (that would also serve as an explanation as to why she seems to be flirting with femshep as much as male shep, but never takes that last step in ME2)



I have known people who consider themselves heterosexual, but stated that if they were emotionally attracted to someone they would be willing to overlook sex.

[Nordic Einar]

MarchWaltz wrote...

I dont care. I actually want (in general) when your talking to someone an option where it says *FLIRT*/*ROMANCE* and it takes you to another dialog wheel, like how investigate does. That could be for romance only.

I want to get to know Jack, or Miranda, or talk to Tali, and not be able to give the slightest hint of flirtation or what not.

That... is actually a fantastic idea. I don't think I've ever seen this suggested before, either. It certainly would
solve the "accidental romance" problems with both same-sex and heterosexual romances, as well as providing deeper character interaction between the party, since you'll be able to speak to Jacob w/o accident throughly your breasts at him.

I'm a big fan of this post. +1!