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[bluuberg]

ReveurIngenu wrote...

Umm..so, scans from PC Gamer are out, and apparently, there will be no new love interests. I seriously doubt that they'll suddenly make some of the past LIs bi, so I'm thinking they're going to conclude the trilogy without same sex romances and if questioned about it, they'll probably just say they'll include in further games.

I mean, I could always be wrong, but I really feel like nothing is pointing to it.

This is just about the saddest news possible....a new bi LI of each gender seemed way more likely than Bioware finally making the past ones bi as they always should have been from ME 1. I guess we now have our answer. ME shall remain a purely Het Romance area except for the double standard of Lesbian Asari Romance...

[android654]

Guess that settles it.

[Cootie]

makenzieshepard wrote...

KawaiiKatie wrote...

Do you guys... do you really think they'll make Kaidan retroactively bisexual? I want to hope for it. I really do. But it just seems so unlikely...

I hate to bring it up almost because I know what the ensuing posts will sound like but tough cookies!

Anders.

Relevant because he wasn't a retcon.  Neither would a bisexual Kaidan be so.  Now to see if the ME team is brave enough.

Basically, we're just wondering if Bioware's got the guts to stand by their decisions in the ME-series.
It'd be a first, and it would make me respect them as artists.

The DA-team's still got my vote, though.

[KawaiiKatie]

blue.o7 wrote...

This is just about the saddest news possible....a new bi LI of each gender seemed way more likely than Bioware finally making the past ones bi as they always should have been from ME 1.

Agreed. It always seemed more likely to me that ME3 would introduce new bisexual characters, rather than adding bisexual content to existing ones. The news that there will be no new romances at all is extremely disheartening.

blue.o7 wrote...

I guess we now have our answer. ME shall remain a purely Het Romance area except for the double standard of Lesbian Asari Romance...

And Kelly Chambers. Let us not forget the double standard that is Kelly Chambers.

makenzieshepard wrote...

I hate to bring it up almost because I know what the ensuing posts will sound like but tough cookies!

Anders.

Relevant because he wasn't a retcon.  Neither would a bisexual Kaidan be so.  Now to see if the ME team is brave enough.

This is very true. It wouldn't have to be a huge retcon to add a same-sex option to Kaidan or Ashley, especially given to precedent of Garrus and Tali. Given, Garrus and Tali are heterosexual romances, but they still went from "regular squadmate" to "love interest" with no real explanation. They never stop and say, "Wow, Shepard, why didn't you hit on me before?" I think the same nonchalant additon of romance could easily apply to Kaidan and Ashley's bisexuality.

And while the example of Anders does give me hope.... It seemed to me that his bisexuality in DA2 was more coincidental than deliberate. All of the love interests in DA2 were bisexual, so naturally Anders followed suit. I'm not convinced that Bioware would single out any of the currently heterosexual love-interests and make him/her bisexual as readily. In my view, it's much easier for them to just make a formerly "straight" character bisexual under the guise of conforming to the rest of the bisexual cast, rather than making him or her the only bisexual in a line-up of love-interests.
.....does that make sense at all? I'm feeling rather depressed and jumbled over this subject.

Modifié par KawaiiKatie, 05 mai 2011 - 10:38 .

[bluuberg]

android654 wrote...

Guess that settles it.

Pretty much, ME team leaders have shown twice now that the "Straight Male Gamer" and his needs come before anyone else. That we should count ourselves lucky enough to even be playing the game. *sigh*

[MisterDyslexo]

So yeah... apparently we got Mass Effect 3 pushed back three months or so just to create a m/m love interest.


Coolio

Modifié par MisterDyslexo, 05 mai 2011 - 10:36 .

[jlb524]

It would be sad, IMO, if ME only has one s/s romance during an entire three game arc (and that's a dubious one that they won't admit to) while DA2 had 4 options.

But, it's two different teams and they want to draw in an even bigger audience with ME3 and blah blah blah.

[android654]

You know, all of this inclusiveness for the main demographic of gamers isn't necessarily good for the overall product.

[bluuberg]

It is seemingly good for EA and Bioware's pockets though, that the "Straight Male Gamer" isn't deterred from shoving money into them.

[jlb524]

android654 wrote...

You know, all of this inclusiveness for the main demographic of gamers isn't necessarily good for the overall product.

No I agree. I don't think including a few more s/s options would be bad for the product either.

So...they just won't do it.  It seems to me they want a certain image associated with ME (I'm going back to Hudson's "PG-13" comment) and certain values.

[Maugrim]

Don't forget DA2 was going for the larger audience too.  That argument gives as much hope as it does damage. We ended up getting all BI LI's! I'm not saying people shouldn't be pessimistic/realistic but it's only a nail in the coffin, not the final nail. Hope is very much alive.

Modifié par makenzieshepard, 05 mai 2011 - 10:52 .

[jlb524]

There's really only one more thing left, make Ashley and Kaidan a new bisexual option. I'm not sure how likely that is, though it would be nice.

[android654]

jlb524 wrote...

android654 wrote...

You know, all of this inclusiveness for the main demographic of gamers isn't necessarily good for the overall product.

No I agree. I don't think including a few more s/s options would be bad for the product either.

So...they just won't do it.  It seems to me they want a certain image associated with ME (I'm going back to Hudson's "PG-13" comment) and certain values.

That's exactly what I'm saying. Making the game appealing almost entirely for the main demo of video game players won't make it a good product. I'm rather miffed that there's no s/s options for the game.

[Cootie]

Well, unless we hear some news close to the game's release, I've made up my mind that I won't be buying ME-3 any time soon.
If it's just gonna' be Hollywood-ised drivel, I'll just, uhm, be in my corner over here.

[android654]

Well, I guess my reading list for this year just grew a bit. guess I'll start with some Robert Litell.

[KawaiiKatie]

android654 wrote...

That's exactly what I'm saying. Making the game appealing almost entirely for the main demo of video game players won't make it a good product. I'm rather miffed that there's no s/s options for the game.

What happened to:

The romances in the game are not for "the straight male gamer". They're for everyone. We have a lot of fans, many of whom are neither straight nor male, and they deserve no less attention.

Oh, wait, that was David Gaider. About Dragon Age. *headdesk*

I really wish that the Mass Effect team shared the Dragon Age team's ideals. Restricting same-sex content honestly hinders my enjoyment of the Mass Effect franchise, and it makes me seriously question if I will purchase ME3.

Modifié par KawaiiKatie, 05 mai 2011 - 11:10 .

[catabuca]

Trying very hard to stay strong for you guys, but I'll just be over here in the corner in a ****ing crumpled heap crying and shaking and generally feeling like ****ing ****.

[Siansonea]

My worry is that Mass Effect 3 won't even be an "M for Mature" game, but rather a "T for Teen" game. That would certainly fit the criteria for "reaching a wider audience" that is so cryptically referred to in that announcement.

If that's the case, say goodbye to a LOT of things. I think they would even plot-force the Liara/FemShep romance to end, possibly all Liara romances. I wonder, would the anti-gay types be happy in that case? A 'more mature' Jack sans F-bombs and nipple bra? No more asari strippers? No alien love interests? I mean, after all, if having a tame romance with a member of your own species (who happens to be the same gender) isn't PG-13 enough, then certainly Sex With Aliens has to be considered to be some form of bestiality by the standards of Concerned Moms Everywhere, I would think.

So it would be Kaidan and Jacob for the FemSheps and Ashley, Miranda and Jack for the ManSheps. And they'd have to be married before they can sleep in the same bed, or hold hands without a chaperone.

Would that make the intolerant types happy, I wonder?

[Rychen]

I havnt lost all hope yet. I still think old crewmates may become romanceable in particular kaidan/ashley. With DA2 its apparent that Bioware is willing to try it out and hopefully it will continue. As far as how it can be implimented so that everyone is happy I think it could be quite easy. If i remember correctly, in LotSB theres a scene with liara crying and the chat wheel opens up and one of the options other than talking is [hug her]. As i had no intention to start a romance with Liara I did not choose it because it was rather obvious how it would affect her view of me. Same could be done with the virmire survivor. They meet you again in whatever sense bioware has planned for the reunion and after saying that theyre glad you survived chat wheel pops up with dialoge options and [hug (insert gender here)], you click hug and voila romance is inititated. No need for hearts or pink writing and if someone who clicks that option and is mad that kaidan is now making passes at them its their own fault (bro hugs dont belong in my ME, they make me laugh). Bioware is more than capable of making an adequate story decision on how the LI reacts to shepards new feelings (they will already need to do so for characters that started in ME2 and didnt have the option to romance the survivor in ME1).

Anyways, heres hoping!

[Maugrim]

While I can see us not getting any new LI's AFAIK this has not even been confirmed.  Priestly even said in the PC Gamer thread that anything that isn't proceeded by  something like "Casey Hudson said" is just their own conclusions.
Again don't get me wrong I bet they are right, but why not wait to leap off the cliff ? 

[Siansonea]

KawaiiKatie wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

So, move on now or this gets closed.

Is it just me, or is this the only comment we ever hear from Devs and Moderators on this forum?

No, it's not just you. There are a grand total of 6 responses with the BioWare tag, and they're all from Stanley Woo or Chris Priestly saying for us to stay on topic, don't post spam, etc. Nothing from devs at all. But we know you're reading this, Casey Hudson. We know you're reading this. *narrows eyes*

I really wish that Bioware would give us a constructive, back-and-forth dialogue about same-sex content in Mass Effect, or the lack thereof. They've been very tight-lipped on the issue for a long time, with the occasional exception of rathering confusing interviews.

Yeah, so far they've done next to nothing and said next to nothing about it, which isn't cause for optimism. But for that matter, the overall quality of Arrival isn't cause for optimism either. I sincerely hope that Mass Effect 3 is a great game that I can enjoy in spite of the romance content being subpar. It would have to be stellar in every other respect, because a lot of my enjoyment of Dragon Age 2 stems from the very different scenarios that are available to my Hawke with regards to relationships with the squadmates. Hookups, true love, even threesomes...oh my! What a way to set apart the different Hawkes I create. If all six of my Shepards are forced into just continuing or breaking off their existing relationships, I will need something else in the game to keep me entertained. 

Why can female Shepard engage in same-sex relationships (both with a human female and several "female" aliens) but male Shepard cannot? In short, why is male Shepard "pre-determined" as heterosexual, but female Shepard is not? Why was same-sex content recorded, but ultimately removed from in-game? Should we gamers hold out any hope at all that same-sex content will be made available for both male and female Shepard?

This thread is called "Fight for the Love," where "we'd like for some same-sex romances to be open, by way for a ME2 DLC or ME3." It has been shut down and restarted multiple times. But not once has Bioware made a meaningful statement about the exclusion or implementation of same-sex content in Mass Effect. I, for one, would like to see some dialogue between Bioware and the fans. That's what the forums are for, right? Well, Bioware, it's your turn. We fans have been talking in circles about same-sex content for quite some time, and I'm tired of being told to stay on topic. This is the topic. So please, share your thoughts!

It's always been a one-way conversation with the Mass Effect team. That's nothing new. In the absence of dialogue, all we can do is try to create the most compelling monologue we can.

[Blacklash93]

Abramis brama wrote...

-No new LIs in ME3

Aand... this thread is meaningless. Thank god for that. Literally.

Please take your unwanted and needlessly spiteful comments somewhere else. You've proven yourself capable of nothing more when it comes to this topic.

Modifié par Blacklash93, 05 mai 2011 - 11:34 .

[jlb524]

Rychen wrote...

I havnt lost all hope yet. I still think old crewmates may become romanceable in particular kaidan/ashley. With DA2 its apparent that Bioware is willing to try it out and hopefully it will continue.

We're talking about two completely different teams and franchises though.

The lead of the ME team won't even admit that Liara is an f/f romance.

[catabuca]

jlb524 wrote...

Rychen wrote...

I havnt lost all hope yet. I still think old crewmates may become romanceable in particular kaidan/ashley. With DA2 its apparent that Bioware is willing to try it out and hopefully it will continue.

We're talking about two completely different teams and franchises though.

The lead of the ME team won't even admit that Liara is an f/f romance.

And here we have the kicker. That both teams originate from the same company is mindboggling.

*brings knees up to chest and rocks backward and forward*

[KawaiiKatie]

makenzieshepard wrote...

Again don't get me wrong I bet they are right, but why not wait to leap off the cliff ?

Fair enough.

I feel really bad for my gay male Shepard. Maybe I'm getting too caught up in his roleplay, but I just feel so sorry for him! He's been all alone since ME1, and if only I'd made him a woman, he would have been alllowed to find happiness with Kelly Chambers or Liara or a string of Asari affairs. My gay!Shep has saved the day so many times, and will keep saving the day in ME3... but why can't he find a pair of strong, masculine arms to confide in?

I know that it's my fault for making him a homosexual male. I am entirely to blame for his loneliness. But Shepard's identity is supposed to be a fluid concept, customizable down to race and gender and morals, and I wanted to play a homosexual male. I just wish that my Shepard could express it!