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[Cootie]

>_>



What if Kaidan comes out of the closet and breaks up with FemShep in ME-3?

[Abramis brama]

Blacklash93 wrote...

You're purposely trying to discourage us and calling the demise of our cause a gift from God.

That's being spiteful and rude. Like I said, you're capable of nothing other than that with this topic.

That's just my opinion. No need to get mad at opinions.

Siansonea II wrote...

*Paragon Interrupt*

Aand...I've
had enough of your disingenuous assertions. You're "gloating", and you
know it. We know it. Casey Hudson knows it. *narrows eyes at Casey
Hudson again*

Contribute something of substance that doesn't
come across as self-satisfied gloating, and we'll all happily chime in
with our thoughts and feelings. Until then, you can laugh up your
sleeves if it makes you happy.

So, back to a real topic, is there
any other existing male LI other than Kaidan who makes sense as a
potential m/m option? Since we're given to understand that new
characters are no longer on the table, we needs must refocus on
expanding existing characters, unless we hear from the devs, of
course...

[smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/angry.png[/smilie]

There's just nothing to contribute. I know that Bioware is best at doing characters right and won't do the same mistakes as in DA2. They won't mess with character consistency just because couple of... loud people here want that.

[Siansonea]

KawaiiKatie wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

Casey Hudson knows it. *narrows eyes at Casey Hudson again*

I rather doubt that Casey Hudson is reading this forum. But it's fun to pretend. I shall join you in glaring in hopes that it somehow brings us same-sex content in ME3! *glaaaaaaare*

Siansonea II wrote...

So, back to a real topic, is there any other existing male LI other than Kaidan who makes sense as a potential m/m option? Since we're given to understand that new characters are no longer on the table, we needs must refocus on expanding existing characters, unless we hear from the devs, of course...

I think that if Bioware chooses to change a male Love Interest into a bisexual option, it would be Kaidan. But if it's not Kaidan... My next bet would be Thane. Followed by Jacob. Then maybe Zaeed.  

Least likely, in my opion, would be Garrus, but only because I think everyone loves his bromance... But, to be fair, Garrus is the most popular romance overall, so maybe Bioware would make him available to dudes just so we can all experience the inter-species awkwardness? <3

And it would give "headbump" a whole new meaning. Oh yeah, I went there...

[catabuca]

And I'll tell you why there's no dialogue: because they're aware of how the lack of this content makes them look. They're aware of the criticism that happens in respected places outside of bsn, they're aware that they are being cowardly by not giving a clear answer and they're aware that their past comments have been seen to be offensive by many .... and so it's easier to ignore that we exist, ignore the criticisms, to try to close us down whenever possible because that way we stop being a constant reminder of all of that. That's why there's no dialogue, no engagement. We're an annoyance, an inconvenient buzzing in their ear that reminds them and others of their less than stellar record on this issue. They'd rather just swat us and have done with it.

They've given me no reason to believe otherwise.

*and with that, she has gotten all (well, some) of her rage off her chest and disappears back off to spend the rest of the evening with the truly amazing and lovely people she was with before she heard this news (you know who you are - yes you, you right there)*

[Maugrim]

centauri2002 wrote...

makenzieshepard wrote...

Cootie wrote...

Liara is a man, so... I guess he counts?

I've always hoped that Bioware would stick to their guns on the issue of Liara and clarify that she was not female *waits for the gasps to die down* Now wait a minute and hear me out!  That means every male Shepard who romanced her would've engaged in a genderqueer relationship!

Just let that sink in for a second.  All those  'straight macho men'....

 

As amusing as that thought is...

...it also would mean my Shep was not in a same sex relationship. I don't like that thought. 

@Siansonea: You make a very good point! He's not in my main save either though. >.>

Come on now nobody is perfect!

Plus CHud say's it isn't same sex now....

Modifié par makenzieshepard, 06 mai 2011 - 12:11 .

[bluuberg]

To me the easiest 3/4 to implement are Kaidan and Ashley, whichever of them is actually alive and that should have been bi from the start. And Garrus and Tali as they were implemented as Fan Romances to begin with why not increase the fanbase that wants them and make them bi?

[Siansonea]

Abramis brama wrote...

Blacklash93 wrote...

You're purposely trying to discourage us and calling the demise of our cause a gift from God.

That's being spiteful and rude. Like I said, you're capable of nothing other than that with this topic.

That's just my opinion. No need to get mad at opinions.

Siansonea II wrote...

*Paragon Interrupt*

Aand...I've
had enough of your disingenuous assertions. You're "gloating", and you
know it. We know it. Casey Hudson knows it. *narrows eyes at Casey
Hudson again*

Contribute something of substance that doesn't
come across as self-satisfied gloating, and we'll all happily chime in
with our thoughts and feelings. Until then, you can laugh up your
sleeves if it makes you happy.

So, back to a real topic, is there
any other existing male LI other than Kaidan who makes sense as a
potential m/m option? Since we're given to understand that new
characters are no longer on the table, we needs must refocus on
expanding existing characters, unless we hear from the devs, of
course...

[smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/angry.png[/smilie]

There's just nothing to contribute. I know that Bioware is best at doing characters right and won't do the same mistakes as in DA2. They won't mess with character consistency just because couple of... loud people here want that.

And yet you're contributing to this 'nothing', so what does that say about you? You want to know what they called people who before ME2 came out were clamoring for something that couldn't happen in a million years because there were too many reasons not to do it? They called them Talimancers. And those Talimancers, for all that I've tangled with them in the past, at least have one quality that I admire, and that's tenacity. They persevered, and they got what they wanted in the end. No pun intended, of course.

[Ryzaki]

Ah well. I guess my gay Shep will just be asexual.

[Centauri2002]

makenzieshepard wrote...

Come on now nobody is perfect!

Plus CHud say's it isn't same sex now....

Thankfully I'm not a brainless sheep and can recognise a female engaged in a relationship with another female means that it's a same sex romance. 

Unless they want to recant the asari lore they spent two games building on. <_<

[Siansonea]

Cootie wrote...

>_>



What if Kaidan comes out of the closet and breaks up with FemShep in ME-3?

While this wouldn't be a perfect solution, it would still be kinda funny. Kaidan has a lot of m/f relationship fans though, I wouldn't want to deprive them of a part of their game they've been enjoying up to this point.

[Siansonea]

makenzieshepard wrote...

*le grand snip*

Plus CHud say's it isn't same sex now....

Theoretically, a human woman and her asari mate could both be pregnant at the same time, though by different means, of course. If one of them somehow isn't female, well, I guess I need to go back and take 6th grade Life Science again...

Modifié par Siansonea II, 06 mai 2011 - 12:18 .

[Cootie]

Siansonea II wrote...

Cootie wrote...

>_>



What if Kaidan comes out of the closet and breaks up with FemShep in ME-3?

While this wouldn't be a perfect solution, it would still be kinda funny. Kaidan has a lot of m/f relationship fans though, I wouldn't want to deprive them of a part of their game they've been enjoying up to this point.

Oh, pish posh.
They can mod their games and have people call them Sir all the time.

And with all of this rage flying around, I'd like to remind people again that this is not a definite end-of-the-world scenario for this thread.
There's been no evidence or mentioning of s/s romances. That does not mean they do not exist.
And the media was very up in arms about there being no m/m in ME-2, but it was kind of softened due to the sense of "Oh, well, maybe in ME-3," and while the ME-team might choose to still not include it in their final game, I predict a media fork-storm if that happens.

[Siansonea]

Ryzaki wrote...

Ah well. I guess my gay Shep will just be asexual.

I think this is what I'm going to do with my Sentinel too. He's bi, and he went for Liara, then Miranda, but neither of them is his soul mate. The right person just hasn't come along for good ol' Martín Shepard, and if they don't come along in ME3, at least he will have saved the galaxy from the Reaper threat, and that will have to be enough, I suppose. As long as my lesbian Adept can still snog with Liara, she'll be happy, but if we're going for a T for Teen crowd, that might be not be possible either, and she will also have to face the closing credits with no one at her side.

<_<

[bluuberg]

@ Cootie

While that might be true I suspect that ultimately 'they' do not care as long as it makes money.

Modifié par blue.o7, 06 mai 2011 - 12:24 .

[Cootie]

Perhaps I am giving 'them' too much artistic credit.

'Them'.
Sounds ominous.

[KawaiiKatie]

catabuca wrote...

And I'll tell you why there's no dialogue: because they're aware of how the lack of this content makes them look. They're aware of the criticism that happens in respected places outside of bsn, they're aware that they are being cowardly by not giving a clear answer and they're aware that their past comments have been seen to be offensive by many .... and so it's easier to ignore that we exist, ignore the criticisms, to try to close us down whenever possible because that way we stop being a constant reminder of all of that.

The thing that strikes me as odd about this is... Same-Sex supporters are not the only "annoyance!" There's a whole string of fans who want to see female aliens, and Bioware is pretty nonchalant about insulting them. Most recently, an interview was released about Garrus' redesign for ME3, and the subject of female Turians came up. The response?

"We usually try to avoid the females -- cause what do you do with a female turian? Add breasts, what do you do? Add lipstick on her?"

How insulting is that? And yet Bioware makes them pretty consistently on a number of topics. Same-Sex content, though a very volatile subject, is certainly not the only "big issue" in the Mass Effect series. And yet Same-Sex content is the one that gets ignored? I don't understand.

That's why there's no dialogue, no engagement. We're an annoyance, an inconvenient buzzing in their ear that reminds them and others of their less than stellar record on this issue. They'd rather just swat us and have done with it.

Well, see, there I have to disagree with you. There has been no "swat," no jibe--there has been absolutely nothing to make us believe that same-sex content is on their minds at all. There has been nothing but silence. The Mass Effect team hasn't even come out to say that same-sex content won't be included. There was no word prior to ME2, and there has yet to be word on ME3. Even if the outcome does not end favourably for same-sex content, I would love to see Bioware comment on this issue.

Please, Bioware? Can't you give us something?

Modifié par KawaiiKatie, 06 mai 2011 - 12:29 .

[Abramis brama]

Siansonea II wrote...

And yet you're contributing to this 'nothing', so what does that say about you? You want to know what they called people who before ME2 came out were clamoring for something that couldn't happen in a million years because there were too many reasons not to do it? They called them Talimancers. And those Talimancers, for all that I've tangled with them in the past, at least have one quality that I admire, and that's tenacity. They persevered, and they got what they wanted in the end. No pun intended, of course.

Talimancers were at least somewhat reasonable. Bioware didn't change Tali's whole character but it felt like natural progression.

catabuca wrote...

And I'll tell you why there's no
dialogue: because they're aware of how the lack of this content makes
them look. They're aware of the criticism that happens in respected
places outside of bsn, they're aware that they are being cowardly by not
giving a clear answer and they're aware that their past comments have
been seen to be offensive by many .... and so it's easier to ignore that
we exist, ignore the criticisms, to try to close us down whenever
possible because that way we stop being a constant reminder of all of
that. That's why there's no dialogue, no engagement. We're an annoyance,
an inconvenient buzzing in their ear that reminds them and others of
their less than stellar record on this issue. They'd rather just swat us
and have done with it.

They've given me no reason to believe otherwise.

*and
with that, she has gotten all (well, some) of her rage off her chest
and disappears back off to spend the rest of the evening with the truly
amazing and lovely people she was with before she heard this news (you
know who you are - yes you, you right there)*

It's the same thing with female Turians, Krogans. etc. No real dialogue of why the're not shown in game. Just lazy, so lazy.

[Cootie]

Nyoka wrote...

In ME1&2 they at least did the voices and let them there for modders to dig up. Apparently we're not even getting that this time.

We're not?
I haven't heard anything regarding same sex romances and I doubt we will, to be honest.

So just remain hopeful, yeah? O.o
Unless I'm missing some important news.

[Russalka]

Abramis brama wrote...

Talimancers were at least somewhat reasonable. Bioware didn't change Tali's whole character but it felt like natural progression.

And not seeing a squadmate daring to come out as a natural progression is only your opinion.

[catabuca]

@katie -- by "swat" I mean close the threads down. Stifle discussion. Get us out of the way without having to deal with us. They've done it before, plenty of times, and I've no doubt they'll do it again. Thankfully, there are enough people outside of bsn who are aware of it having been done before, that if (when?) it happens again it won't go unnoticed.

[KawaiiKatie]

Russalka wrote...

Abramis brama wrote...

Talimancers were at least somewhat reasonable. Bioware didn't change Tali's whole character but it felt like natural progression.

And not seeing a squadmate daring to come out as a natural progression is only your opinion.

I WOULD DIE FROM GIDDINESS IF KAIDAN CAME OUT TO MY SHEPARD IN ME3. <3

...oh dear... my fangirliness... is showing...

I don't think it would be that far of a stretch to see Kaidan's "natural progression" into a romance with male Shepard. After all, in order to even see the guy in ME3, you have to save him on Virmire. Can't a gay Kaidanmance just play out like the Talimance, where after finally being reunited, Kaidan starts to realize how much he truly cares for male Shepard? 

But only after male Shepard "flirts" with him, of course. By way of Paragon dialogue.

....come on, it wouldn't be that difficult to believe!

[Abramis brama]

Russalka wrote...

Abramis brama wrote...

Talimancers were at least somewhat reasonable. Bioware didn't change Tali's whole character but it felt like natural progression.

And not seeing a squadmate daring to come out as a natural progression is only your opinion.

This game doesn't have nor need that kind of realism. All the romances are gamey "talk 3 times then have sex".  That kind of thing would not be in the spirit of the game.

[Russalka]

Abramis brama wrote...

This game doesn't have nor need that kind of realism. All the romances are gamey "talk 3 times then have sex".  That kind of thing would not be in the spirit of the game.

We disagree.