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[Wittand25]

System Wrecker wrote...

I'm committed to seeing it through. It would seriously be a stupid thing to suddenly add M/M romance into Shepard's story. If it wasn't in ME 1 or ME2, it shouldn't be in ME3. It wouldn't make any sense at all.

There are a lot of things in ME3 that were neither in ME1 or ME2. If all of them get left out only a pretty boring game would remain.


On the topic of no new LIs : I do not buy it for various reasons.
a.)What about players new to the franchise ?
b.) No way in hell Bioware would announce something like that at the very first preview, months before release and then to a single previewer
c.)Mr. Priestly was very quick to point out that not all information in the article is correct.

[Siansonea]

System Wrecker wrote...

I'm committed to seeing it through. It would seriously be a stupid thing to suddenly add M/M romance into Shepard's story. If it wasn't in ME 1 or ME2, it shouldn't be in ME3. It wouldn't make any sense at all.

Well thank you for your contribution. That was really insightful.

[KawaiiKatie]

System Wrecker wrote...

I'm committed to seeing it
through. It would seriously be a stupid thing to suddenly add M/M
romance into Shepard's story. If it wasn't in ME 1 or ME2, it shouldn't
be in ME3. It wouldn't make any sense at all.

I disagree here, because one could make the argument that it didn't "make sense" to give Shepard the chance to romance Garrus or Tali, because it wasn't an option in ME1. Why did Bioware decide that it was "Suddenly" okay to sleep with non-humanoid aliens? IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE!

...it actually does make sense. I was being sarcastic. My point is, if the option to be gay was made available in ME3, you can bet that Bioware would make it believable and true to the story.

System Wrecker wrote...

Tell you what, Bioware. I bought two copies of ME1 and ME2. One for the PC and one for the 360. If you continue to let Male Shepard be straight like he should be (because two other stories didn't have the option)

Can't you see that it's unbalanced and unfair to allow female Shepard to be gay, but male Shepard is strictly "straight like he should be?"

I, for once, have a gay Shepard. Just because he hasn't found a man that he can sleep with doesn't make him straight. Female Shepard had many females that she can choose to sleep with, and for the sake on equality, I will not buy ME3 if they don't give male Shepard the same option to express his sexuality.

Male Shepard is never "forced" to be straight. Neither is female Shepard. Roleplaying a homosexual Shepard is a completely valid option, even with or without the ability to express it.

System Wrecker wrote...

I will continue buying two copies. You know, you can ignore her money for my money.

"Her" money.... Oh, you mean me? ....interesting...

I'm reminded of a friend I had who ate extra helpings meat for every vegetarian he knew. Fascinating fellow, though a little flawed in his logic. We were still great pals, though.

[System Wrecker]

Siansonea II wrote...

System Wrecker wrote...

I'm committed to seeing it through. It would seriously be a stupid thing to suddenly add M/M romance into Shepard's story. If it wasn't in ME 1 or ME2, it shouldn't be in ME3. It wouldn't make any sense at all.

Well thank you for your contribution. That was really insightful.

It make sense in the Dragon Age because the characters are new. Shepard is not new. He's established. Can you tell me how an established character suddenly decides to love men tastefully?

[ADLegend21]

System Wrecker wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

System Wrecker wrote...

I'm committed to seeing it through. It would seriously be a stupid thing to suddenly add M/M romance into Shepard's story. If it wasn't in ME 1 or ME2, it shouldn't be in ME3. It wouldn't make any sense at all.

Well thank you for your contribution. That was really insightful.

It make sense in the Dragon Age because the characters are new. Shepard is not new. He's established. Can you tell me how an established character suddenly decides to love men tastefully?

He must not be that established if he can also be a SHE you know.

[Siansonea]

Wittand25 wrote...

System Wrecker wrote...

I'm committed to seeing it through. It would seriously be a stupid thing to suddenly add M/M romance into Shepard's story. If it wasn't in ME 1 or ME2, it shouldn't be in ME3. It wouldn't make any sense at all.

There are a lot of things in ME3 that were neither in ME1 or ME2. If all of them get left out only a pretty boring game would remain.


On the topic of no new LIs : I do not buy it for various reasons.
a.)What about players new to the franchise ?
b.) No way in hell Bioware would announce something like that at the very first preview, months before release and then to a single previewer
c.)Mr. Priestly was very quick to point out that not all information in the article is correct.

It never ceases to amaze me how someone ELSE having a Gay Shepard is somehow just breaking the wheels off the roller coaster, but having every single Shepard working for Cerberus (you know, those terrorists from the first game that are now masters of life, death, and plot devices) doesn't make anyone bat an eyelash. Really.

[AngelicMachinery]

System Wrecker wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

System Wrecker wrote...

I'm committed to seeing it through. It would seriously be a stupid thing to suddenly add M/M romance into Shepard's story. If it wasn't in ME 1 or ME2, it shouldn't be in ME3. It wouldn't make any sense at all.

Well thank you for your contribution. That was really insightful.

It make sense in the Dragon Age because the characters are new. Shepard is not new. He's established. Can you tell me how an established character suddenly decides to love men tastefully?

I can't even believe this is a question...

[Siansonea]

System Wrecker wrote...

KawaiiKatie wrote...

Fat Headed Wolf wrote...

Honestly, I'm a bit surprised this thread has survived this long-- I guess you can't put a limit on human determination, however. But how long are you guys willing to fight this fight? Let's say ME3 comes out and there isn't a M/M romance. Are you done? Are you gonna stay and voice your opinion until a M/M option is available in a future ME product? Or are you just gonna take you ball and go home?

If there's no male same-sex romance in ME3, I won't buy ME3. I will voice my opinion the only way consumers can voice their opinion: with my wallet.

The only reason I got into the Mass Effect franchise in the first place was because I received it as a gift. But I don't want to spend my own money on a series that constantly implies that heterosexual and lesbian relationships are okay, while homosexual male relationships are not.

So in answers to your question: Yes, if ME3 fails to represent heterosexual and homosexual content equally, I'm done. I will voice my disappoint on this forum and promptly move all of my support to the Dragon Age franchise.

Tell you what, Bioware. I bought two copies of ME1 and ME2. One for the PC and one for the 360. If you continue to let Male Shepard be straight like he should be (because two other stories didn't have the option) I will continue buying two copies. You know, you can ignore her money for my money.

Also, Dragon Age is can continue to be a gay fest because I hate mico managing my team. I mean, srsly, the mechanics make me hate that game.

Well, at least you're willing to pay good money to make sure people you don't know aren't able to play Gay Shepards. Because that's not odd AT ALL.

[Maugrim]

KawaiiKatie wrote...

I, for once, have a gay Shepard. Just because he hasn't found a man that he can sleep with doesn't make him straight. Female Shepard had many females that she can choose to sleep with, and for the sake on equality, I will not buy ME3 if they don't give male Shepard the same option to express his sexuality.

Hey hey now, let's not get stingy here there is plenty of gayness to go around!  We all know the various insulting issue we have with the "lesbian" LI's.  How about more bi-LI for everyone and a human one of each gender so that Bioware can knock off with the insulting waffiling on whether or not there are s/s relationships in ME? 

[Maugrim]

You know what I love best of all? That all these anti-gay guys spend time in s/s thread to the point of exclusivity. I let you all draw your own conclusions. No other friends, no polls no other posts....just 100% party in the biggest gay thread on the forums.....

Modifié par makenzieshepard, 06 mai 2011 - 05:47 .

[System Wrecker]

KawaiiKatie wrote...

System Wrecker wrote...

I'm committed to seeing it
through. It would seriously be a stupid thing to suddenly add M/M
romance into Shepard's story. If it wasn't in ME 1 or ME2, it shouldn't
be in ME3. It wouldn't make any sense at all.

I disagree here, because one could make the argument that it didn't "make sense" to give Shepard the chance to romance Garrus or Tali, because it wasn't an option in ME1. Why did Bioware decide that it was "Suddenly" okay to sleep with non-humanoid aliens? IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE!

...it actually does make sense. I was being sarcastic. My point is, if the option to be gay was made available in ME3, you can bet that Bioware would make it believable and true to the story.

System Wrecker wrote...

Tell you what, Bioware. I bought two copies of ME1 and ME2. One for the PC and one for the 360. If you continue to let Male Shepard be straight like he should be (because two other stories didn't have the option)

Can't you see that it's unbalanced and unfair to allow female Shepard to be gay, but male Shepard is strictly "straight like he should be?"

I, for once, have a gay Shepard. Just because he hasn't found a man that he can sleep with doesn't make him straight. Female Shepard had many females that she can choose to sleep with, and for the sake on equality, I will not buy ME3 if they don't give male Shepard the same option to express his sexuality.

Male Shepard is never "forced" to be straight. Neither is female Shepard. Roleplaying a homosexual Shepard is a completely valid option, even with or without the ability to express it.

System Wrecker wrote...

I will continue buying two copies. You know, you can ignore her money for my money.

"Her" money.... Oh, you mean me? ....interesting...

I'm reminded of a friend I had who ate extra helpings meat for every vegetarian he knew. Fascinating fellow, though a little flawed in his logic. We were still great pals, though.

Man, I'd love to break it up the way you did, but I honestly can't. I hate these forums.

1. No, I can't believe Bioware would make it enter tastelfully. DA:2 was not really tasteful at all. They could also easily introduce those former characters as love interests. It did make sense, you could easily write the story into it. Tali was too young and focused. Garrus was a different man. Hell by the end of ME2 it feels like Garrus would jump even Male Shep if he could.

2. Would it be so hard for you to comprehend that maybe he's not gay nor do the story tellers ever want to make him gay? Just because you want something doesn't mean the story tellers have to bend to what you want. Besides, male shep is totally the canonl version. Who cares about fem shep? (Haw)

3. Well the vegetarian is flawed for going against the fact that humans are ominvores.

[System Wrecker]

ADLegend21 wrote...

System Wrecker wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

System Wrecker wrote...

I'm committed to seeing it through. It would seriously be a stupid thing to suddenly add M/M romance into Shepard's story. If it wasn't in ME 1 or ME2, it shouldn't be in ME3. It wouldn't make any sense at all.

Well thank you for your contribution. That was really insightful.

It make sense in the Dragon Age because the characters are new. Shepard is not new. He's established. Can you tell me how an established character suddenly decides to love men tastefully?

He must not be that established if he can also be a SHE you know.

Too bad female shep isn't the canon shepard, isn't it?

[KawaiiKatie]

System Wrecker wrote...

It make sense in the Dragon Age because the characters are new. Shepard is not new. He's established. Can you tell me how an established character suddenly decides to love men tastefully?

It makes sense because my Shepard has always been gay. No, he wasn't allowed to flirt with his male companions, but this restriction does not make him straight. Moreover, the game never once forces my Shepard to sleep with a woman. He is gay.

Shepard is customizable, down to race and gender and sexuality. Female Shepard merely has the option to express her homosexuality, being surrounded by bisexual human women and bisexual "monogendered" alien women. Homosexual male Shepard isn't quite so lucky. Introducing a bisexual male for my homosexual Shepard to have a romance with will not change anything "established." He will simply be able to express what was there all along.

Moreover, adding a bisexual male love-interest will not change anything to your heterosexual male Shepard. You will not be forced to sleep with him, just as my Shepard was never forced to sleep with a woman. You would be allowed to reject the unwanted advances, just as you've been allowed to reject unwanted heterosexual advances in past Mass Effect games.

[ElitePinecone]

I think it's important to keep this discussion going, even if the result is disappointing for ME3.

That being said, I'm definitely going to buy ME3 (assuming it's a good game) - I don't really agree with boycotting what should be an excellent storytelling experience just because it doesn't include something I wished it did. 

Also, it's very likely, from the comments we've heard, that Bioware and EA have more planned for the Mass Effect IP. I'd like to think that future games, unconstrained by that pesky artificial construct called 'continuity', would be free to include s/s romances if the developers so choose. 

[Siansonea]

System Wrecker wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

System Wrecker wrote...

I'm committed to seeing it through. It would seriously be a stupid thing to suddenly add M/M romance into Shepard's story. If it wasn't in ME 1 or ME2, it shouldn't be in ME3. It wouldn't make any sense at all.

Well thank you for your contribution. That was really insightful.

It make sense in the Dragon Age because the characters are new. Shepard is not new. He's established. Can you tell me how an established character suddenly decides to love men tastefully?

Well, if I was a man, I could show you.

And not every male Shepard has pursued romance, so not all Shepards are heterosexual. Some have been waiting for the right man to come along. And some Shepards swing both ways, but they just haven't had the right man come along. Not every Shepard is John Shepard, King Of All Douchebags, Quaffer of Brewskis, Tapper Of Dat Azz. Some are, you know, not that at all. I have three male Shepards. One of them would like to have a go with another dude. Nothing the game ever forced into the game ever contradicted that decision I made for the character. One of my guys is True Blue, a Liara man until the day he dies. Another is a man**** who hit dat blue and then went tattoo. But my other guy is much more adventurous. He just hasn't met the right guy yet.

Or has he...?

[Maugrim]

You know what I want for any future ME games? I want anyone from the DA teams who posts semi-regularly to be assigned to a Lead position on the ME team. At least we might get some damn communication every once in a blue moon then!

[ADLegend21]

System Wrecker wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

System Wrecker wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

System Wrecker wrote...

I'm committed to seeing it through. It would seriously be a stupid thing to suddenly add M/M romance into Shepard's story. If it wasn't in ME 1 or ME2, it shouldn't be in ME3. It wouldn't make any sense at all.

Well thank you for your contribution. That was really insightful.

It make sense in the Dragon Age because the characters are new. Shepard is not new. He's established. Can you tell me how an established character suddenly decides to love men tastefully?

He must not be that established if he can also be a SHE you know.

Too bad female shep isn't the canon shepard, isn't it?

Too bad no Shepard is canon isn't it.

[Maugrim]

Oh it's another one of those people who can't tell the difference between canon and default. What a waste....

[KawaiiKatie]

makenzieshepard wrote...

KawaiiKatie wrote...

I, for once, have a gay Shepard. Just because he hasn't found a man that he can sleep with doesn't make him straight. Female Shepard had many females that she can choose to sleep with, and for the sake on equality, I will not buy ME3 if they don't give male Shepard the same option to express his sexuality.

Hey hey now, let's not get stingy here there is plenty of gayness to go around!  We all know the various insulting issue we have with the "lesbian" LI's.  How about more bi-LI for everyone and a human one of each gender so that Bioware can knock off with the insulting waffiling on whether or not there are s/s relationships in ME? 

"More bi-LI for everyone" sounds great! But to be completely fair, at least you gay femSheps have Kelly Chambers and Liara and Samara and Sha'ira and, heck, even Shiala makes a pass at you.... My gay maleShepard would kill for a male equivalent of Kelly. Like, for serious. A young man to come dance and cuddle in Sheploo's private quarters? Yes please. <3

[Siansonea]

ElitePinecone wrote...

I think it's important to keep this discussion going, even if the result is disappointing for ME3.

That being said, I'm definitely going to buy ME3 (assuming it's a good game) - I don't really agree with boycotting what should be an excellent storytelling experience just because it doesn't include something I wished it did. 

Also, it's very likely, from the comments we've heard, that Bioware and EA have more planned for the Mass Effect IP. I'd like to think that future games, unconstrained by that pesky artificial construct called 'continuity', would be free to include s/s romances if the developers so choose. 

Ah, yes "continuity"...*cough* workingforCerberuswhoareterrorists *cough*
havingsexwithaliensyoucantevensharefoodwith *cough* thermalclips *cough* omnigel *cough* Sheparddyingandthenmagicallybeingbroughtbacktolifejusttoresettheskillmenu *cough* *cough* *cough*

We have dismissed that claim.

[ADLegend21]

makenzieshepard wrote...

Oh it's another one of those people who can't tell the difference between canon and default. What a waste....

hurr duurrrr default @nD C@N0n R t3h siinoniims

[Siansonea]

ADLegend21 wrote...

makenzieshepard wrote...

Oh it's another one of those people who can't tell the difference between canon and default. What a waste....

hurr duurrrr default @nD C@N0n R t3h siinoniims

Yeah, I never played as Cannon Shepard either. I have Devon Shepard, Simone Shepard, Ashley Shepard, Leah Shepard, Ethan Shepard, and Martín Shepard. But no Cannon Shepard.

[Rychen]

System Wrecker wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

System Wrecker wrote...

I'm committed to seeing it through. It would seriously be a stupid thing to suddenly add M/M romance into Shepard's story. If it wasn't in ME 1 or ME2, it shouldn't be in ME3. It wouldn't make any sense at all.

Well thank you for your contribution. That was really insightful.

It make sense in the Dragon Age because the characters are new. Shepard is not new. He's established. Can you tell me how an established character suddenly decides to love men tastefully?

What you are failing to see is that youre shepard is established the way you established him to be, just as my shepard is established the way I've made him to be. Your Shepard may have romanced one of the many female characters and as such you have made the choice to establish your Shepard as straight; however, I have not. My shepard has been propositioned by every female character and each time has told them hes just not interested in them. My Shepard, yours as well, does not make choices for himself, I do and I have made the active choice to make mine hold out for for someone of the same gender. My Shepard does not have to suddenly decide to love men suddenly, hes been designed by me to be that way from the beginning. Shepard is a blank wall where we, as the player, choose to determine how he acts, what he says, and yes who he beds. If Shepard was a preestablished narrative character, which some claim, then there would be no reason to give any player the choice. All those wonderful choices we're given throughout the game that have a meaningful impact on the next game would not exist and youd have another MGS, GoW, (insert other generic third person shooter here) rehash. No one is depriving you of the choice to allow your shepard to develop how you see fit, the only thing we ask is that we be allowed to do the same.

Anyways Im sure its a troll, but I figuered this was still on point as far as the topic goes

[ElitePinecone]

makenzieshepard wrote...

You know what I want for any future ME games? I want anyone from the DA teams who posts semi-regularly to be assigned to a Lead position on the ME team. At least we might get some damn communication every once in a blue moon then!

That might be a little unfair, ME3's team are probably very busy sculpting movingly heterosexual conclusions for their romances. 

I'm not that worried, it's up to the individual dev to decide to engage in communication and maybe nobody on the ME team has the time or the inclination to submit to a barrage of forum posts? You've seen the virtriol hurled around by some people. 

However, I did like David Gaider's engagement with the DA2 forums, especially his defence of including s/s. Certainly wouldn't complain if more ME members decided to engage, but I can understand why they can't or don't want to. 

[Siansonea]

ElitePinecone wrote...

makenzieshepard wrote...

You know what I want for any future ME games? I want anyone from the DA teams who posts semi-regularly to be assigned to a Lead position on the ME team. At least we might get some damn communication every once in a blue moon then!

That might be a little unfair, ME3's team are probably very busy sculpting movingly heterosexual conclusions for their romances. 

I'm not that worried, it's up to the individual dev to decide to engage in communication and maybe nobody on the ME team has the time or the inclination to submit to a barrage of forum posts? You've seen the virtriol hurled around by some people. 

However, I did like David Gaider's engagement with the DA2 forums, especially his defence of including s/s. Certainly wouldn't complain if more ME members decided to engage, but I can understand why they can't or don't want to. 

Oh, you know they've got crack teams of special operatives working on each romance. I'm sure the Tali romance team of writers and artists probably have massage chairs in their specially designed conference room as well as state-of-the-art prototype computers from Apple. They probably have full-scale quarian spacesuits that they wear during the work day so they can learn what it 'feels' like to be a quarian, as well as offsite retreats at the Center For Disease Control. The Jacob romance team is probably an intern in a janitor's closet working on a used first-gen iPhone. Basically, if you can prove that There Are Enough Of You To Matter, BioWare will care. Well, that's what it feels like sometimes, anyway.