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[AK404]

I figure it's a sudden suggestion, but a part of me thinks that a gay Shepard of either gender is something of a lost cause.  I'm beginning to understand Bioware's hesitance in suddenly announcing the possibility, and as someone has already pointed out, Shep is a fairly well-established character, and it would feel considerably tacked-on to suddenly reveal such an important character aspect so late in the series, especially when all previous evidence points to the contrary.  Hell, if Bioware treats a clearly hetero relationship like Jacob and fem Shep with such a clumsy touch, do you really want to imagine what kind of havoc they'd wreak on a same-sex relationship?

Which brings up another observation of mine: we all fall in love for different reasons.  (It's one of the reasons I enjoy the Jack and Garrus romances: one is based on the 'knight in shining armor' ideal, while the other is based on respect and mutual trust, and both involve two people carefully stepping around landmines.)  "We're both gay" shouldn't be one of them because it's limiting, short-sighted, and as ridiculous as "we're both straight."

However, there's nothing that says that Shepard can't play a part in helping two homosexual people find each other, ala inter-party romance from DA, demonstrating that while the Commander may not be gay, they certainly have some understanding of what the other person might be going through.  (Or they'll be Renegade enough to tell them to stop being ****s.)  If nobody's noticed, the Normandy has never had a psychologist or religious figure on-deck, someone to help the crew through what could only be described as spiritual problems.  (I'm no expert on naval or military matters, but one would think that a chaplain, priest, imam, rabbi, or religious figurehead would be a necessity on a combat vessel headed towards a suicide mission.)   Lacking anyone to speak to, troubled crewmates would have to speak to their commanding officer for any greivances they might have, including romantic ones.  It might also be an opportunity for Bioware to work on the inter-party banter as other squadmates started sticking their noses in the wrong sorts of business.

It's not the same thing, of course, but the game has always been about widening one's perspective, even when that person has no personal stake in the outcome.  (Paragons experience this, while Renegades experience the polar opposite: closing their eyes from other points of view.)  (I'd be happy just trying to get Miranda and Jack play nice together, honestly.)

What I'd petition for is a significant sign of homosexual relations somewhere in the game, and while asari are certainly feminine enough to qualify for lesbians, Bioware gave them an escape clause that erases the very idea of gender from their personal vocabulary.  There's a glimpse of what might be a homosexual relationship in the series from Gavorn only (who is happily not proclaiming to the world that he's an inter-species homosexual), so it continues to amaze and astound me that Shepard has served on two crews and in all that time, has run into one gay (or exceptionally open-minded) person...and one very flustered salarian scientist who gets hit on by everyone.

To be clear, I'm not breaking away from the 'where is the same-sex love in ME?' camp.  (Please pardon the pun.)  Rather, I'm probably siding in a new camp that asks, 'where is the same-sex love in the ME universe, period?'

Modifié par AK404, 07 mai 2011 - 04:07 .

[ElitePinecone]

I'm aware this is old news, but I've just read the exact wording of the PC Gamer article, and while it did say that there were no new romances, it definitely seemed to suggest that romance was possible "depending on your relationships with the existing characters."

I guess that wording is better than nothing. tt doesn't rule out a new romance with an old character. 

That is, of course, assuming that the article is accurate and that there are no new LIs. 

[MACharlie1]

It would be extremely out of character for Bioware to not be able to start a relationship. Making it dependent on existing relationships would make it impossible for new players to have one - and thus they lose out on an achievement.

Unless the prologue that determines choices has the romance one as well...

[ElitePinecone]

AK404 wrote...
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I missed this post when writing the one above, so sorry for the double post... 

I think this is an interesting idea, and I'd be all for it even if Bioware miraculously decides to introduce s/s love interests for Shepard in ME3. 

Regarding a psychologist or religious figure, Kelly Chambers did fit this role in ME2 (she had a degree in psychology and was in charge of the crew's status) and as far as I can remember the Alliance has a religiously neutral policy, which would preclude a 'chaplain' (or its alien/future equivalent) being on the ship for ME3 (when the Normandy is osetnsibly an Alliance vessel again). I agree that the commanding officer (not to mention the hero with demigod status that everyone seems to treat Shepard as) would be an appropriate substitute for the crew to approach with problems. 

So yeah, it seems like a good idea in its own right - but obviously I have a personal preference for more options for Shepard her/himself. 

@MACharlie1:

That was my thought, as well. It just seems so strange to not offer new romances when they're trying to attract a wider audience (even in the words of EA's CEO, who cited the broader market as a reason for the delay). I just can't see new players being thrown into a romance via comic-book-decision in the prologue and with no understanding or experience with the character they're supposed to have been attracted to. 

Perhaps romances will be available with party members, assuming they survived, even if you didn't romance them in previous games? That would still give new players the chance for a paramour achievement, with enough time with the characters to build some knowledge of what the heck is going on in the universe. 

[Fat Headed Wolf]

Nyoka wrote...

@Fat Headed Wolf,
to be honest, I too thought the question was a little strange. I found 'interesting' the implicit comparison of this thread to a child who is just playing, like a child, and then will stop playing, take the ball and go home. Also, the way you imply this post has lasted more than what's reasonable (since you, a reasonable person, is surprised it has lasted that long). It's not completely uncomprehensible that someone would find some unintended attitude. I hope you can see now why someone could think your post was something it wasn't. But there's no need to turn that into a personal confrontation, apologies and stuff. Let's not blow things out of proportion.

Now, responding to your question... I'm still discussing stuff about The secret of Monkey Island, and that game came out 21 years ago, so there you go

Alright, I can work with this.

First, I'm a sports guy who uses sports analogies. The use of "take your ball and go home" wasn't as much about the children as it was about someone getting unessecarily moody and ruining the fun for everyone else when they leave. If you, or anyone, found the fact that I used that analogy as offensive, I apologize. But, again, I grew up with these sayings, so it's in my blood. 

Second, I don't recall saying that this topic lasted longer than what's reasonable, just that it seemingly lasted longer than "I expected". What I meant by that is exactly what I said-- longer than I expected. I've been around long enough to see many a topic start out strong and die out months afterwords. I was a bit suprised that this wasn't one of them. If anything I meant it in a complimentary way. You guys should be proud. I apologize if that was taken wrong. 

Third, I never went down to personal confrentation. I simply said I refused to apologize, something, that you see, I am quite open to doing when I feel the slightest bit wrong. When I am accused of being "patronizing" you better believe I'm gonna make it clear I disagree. When I was a kid my dad always told me to "Be meek. Be kind. Be respectful. And when someone stares you down, show them the power of your surname." (a quote which I know is somewhat vague, but makes sense when in the context of our lives). It essentially means that when you are called out, let them know you mean business but don't stoop to their level.

I came in here like he said, meekly, kindly, and when I was stared down, I made my point clear without coming to insults. I showed respect and was treated with disrespect. Most would counter with the same, but my father created a better gentlemen than that. 

I really don't feel I blew it out of porportion, but if any feel I did, I apologize. However, I refuse to apologize to that particular poster after I was bellitled with the word of  "patronizing". 

Finally, The Secret of Monkey Island was amazing. We better hope people never stop talking about it. 

Modifié par Fat Headed Wolf, 07 mai 2011 - 04:44 .

[KawaiiKatie]

Hypothetical discussion-starter here...

How would you feel if ME3 pulled at DA2 and gave us an entire cast of bisexual love-interests? Would your head explode? My head would explode.

I mean that would be my least favourite option for the addition of same-sex content, because nine (okay, eight, because one of them died on Virmire) teammates all suddenly interested in Shepard is a little unrealistic... and daunting... But in theory I would support it, because yay, equality for all!

I'm absolutely not suggesting that we campaign for all-bisexual love interests in ME3. Personally, I'd be happy with a bisexual male mini-romance (ala Kelly Chambers) if it meant that my Shepard could express his homosexuality the same way female Shepard can. I'm just curious about how people would feel. Extreme glee? Utter confusion? Numbness? Head-explosion?

...I'm sticking with head-explosion.

[AK404]

An entire cast of bisexuals would disturb the hell out of me.

Simply coming to grips with homosexuality requires a good amount of introspection and not more than a little of courage to follow-through, but deciding that you're okay with being a switch-hitter is...yeah.

[KawaiiKatie]

AK404 wrote...

An entire cast of bisexuals would disturb the hell out of me.

My mind would be boggled. Just.... completely boggled. It seems so unlikely that if it did happen, I would assume that I had fallen into an alternate universe. 

I'm not even sure why I brought it up. Nobody honestly believes that the Mass Effect love interests will all become bisexual in ME3, and I doubt that anyone's actively pulling for it... Ugh, I feel stupid now. I should come up with a better conversation-starter next time. 

[Cootie]

KawaiiKatie wrote...

AK404 wrote...

An entire cast of bisexuals would disturb the hell out of me.

My mind would be boggled. Just.... completely boggled. It seems so unlikely that if it did happen, I would assume that I had fallen into an alternate universe. 

I'm not even sure why I brought it up. Nobody honestly believes that the Mass Effect love interests will all become bisexual in ME3, and I doubt that anyone's actively pulling for it... Ugh, I feel stupid now. I should come up with a better conversation-starter next time. 

Well, the ship's cook is also handling the toilets, right?

What if, one day, he accidentally dropped some GHEY VIRUS in the pan? O_O

[Blacklash93]

AK404 wrote...


What I'd petition for is a significant sign of homosexual relations somewhere in the game, and while asari are certainly feminine enough to qualify for lesbians, Bioware gave them an escape clause that erases the very idea of gender from their personal vocabulary.  

They ARE female.

They have no perception of gender because it means nothing among their own species. It may not be in their vocabulary, but it's in ours.

[Blacklash93]

There was a character in the Mass Effect books who was gay. It looks like he may return in the new book, "Deception", seeing as one of the main characters went off to train with him among the Quarians at the end of the 2nd book.

[Volus Warlord]

I'd fight for love but I much prefer hated and judgement.

[Kusy]

This thread is gay...

[Centauri2002]

Mr.Kusy wrote...

This thread is gay...

Whatever gave you that impression? 

As to the continuing comments on the asari... I feel like a broken record by now but sex is not the same as gender. Gender means nothing to the asari but they are still of the female sex. Hence same sex relationship with FemShep.

[ElitePinecone]

Blacklash93 wrote...

There was a character in the Mass Effect books who was gay. It looks like he may return in the new book, "Deception", seeing as one of the main characters went off to train with him among the Quarians at the end of the 2nd book.

Yeah, Hendel Mitra. It remains to be seen if the plot of Deception will have any impact on ME3. It sounds like it doesn't involve the quarians much, so perhaps it may tie into other areas of the game. Still, it would be interesting to see Mitra or Gillian Grayson in-game. 

Given the apparent 'no new LIs', though, I can't see how Hendel could or would be a s/s option, even if the events of the book tie into the game and he appears in ME3. 

[Blacklash93]

It's a new writer working on Deception. Maybe he'll forget Mitra is gay.

It would be cool to see him in-game, anyway. Regardless of his status as a LI.

Modifié par Blacklash93, 08 mai 2011 - 02:40 .

[AK404]

Mr.Kusy wrote...

This thread is gay...

Dude, this thread is so gay it gets its own parade, replete with krogana sissies (I. AM. FABULOUS!) , butch asari, yahg bears, turians dressed like various shades of Ziggy Stardust, and geth wearing real dolls like bear skins. =P

Because, you know, that's sort of the point.

Not really, but I've had the "gay krogan rage" tagline running around in my head for awhile, and really needed to type that out. (Bonus power "Fabulocation."  You know you want it.)

Modifié par AK404, 08 mai 2011 - 04:32 .

[Maugrim]

Blacklash93 wrote...

It's a new writer working on Deception. Maybe he'll forget Mitra is gay.

[ElitePinecone]

makenzieshepard wrote...

Blacklash93 wrote...

It's a new writer working on Deception. Maybe he'll forget Mitra is gay.

That's assuming Mitra is even in the novel - since the blurb says Gillian is now moving in some very weird human circles (not quarian), it may be that in the ~2 years or so since Ascension they've parted ways... 

[Khemi]

KawaiiKatie wrote...

Hypothetical discussion-starter here...

How would you feel if ME3 pulled at DA2 and gave us an entire cast of bisexual love-interests? Would your head explode? My head would explode.

All of them suddenly developing an interest in Shepard would make me think "alien mind control" and check the air and water supplies of the Normandy.

I'm still for Joker as a s/s LI, though.

[ElitePinecone]

I've finally got the modding working for ME2 savegames, here's hoping the mShep/Kaidan romance is recognised in ME3 By all accounts the Horizon reunion works perfectly...

Edit: If anyone reads this who has modded an ME2 save, does anyone know if the post-Horizon email has the right gender ('man' and not 'woman')? Could be interesting to see if it deliberately accomodates an mShep/Kaidan romance. 

Modifié par ElitePinecone, 08 mai 2011 - 03:12 .

[Blacklash93]

Casey Hudson has signed up on twitter...

Maybe now is the chance to get a little dialogue out of Bioware about the issue?

[Ryzaki]

ElitePinecone wrote...

I've finally got the modding working for ME2 savegames, here's hoping the mShep/Kaidan romance is recognised in ME3 By all accounts the Horizon reunion works perfectly...

Edit: If anyone reads this who has modded an ME2 save, does anyone know if the post-Horizon email has the right gender ('man' and not 'woman')? Could be interesting to see if it deliberately accomodates an mShep/Kaidan romance. 

Nope he still calls you a chick. 

You can say a really odd if meant to be friendship line to Kelly about "I miss him..." and she reacts...as though you're more than friends. 

It's a really odd line considering male shepard is supposed to be just friends with Kaidan...really odd sounding. He sounds way to wistful and longing in it.  

[ElitePinecone]

Ryzaki wrote...
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I noticed that line while playing as an unmodded maleShep, and I thought it was weird then. Still, it'll be interesting to see what happens in ME3 if the mod does carry over.