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[Siansonea]

makenzieshepard wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

KawaiiKatie wrote...

....huh? Could you clarify that one for me, please? Should I be extremely hopeful, or face-down in the gutter with a bottle of scotch?

I would say "too early to tell, but have some scotch handy just in case". But that's just my opinion.

Whatever he says will require liquor, either for the or the .

Only time will tell.

Also I'd like for all the grumpy pants around here to point out where I  said that this meant s/s romance would be in ME?  *taps foot, checks  watch* [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/tongue.png[/smilie].  Wasn't joking about wanting the issue to be addressed regardless of the outcome. 

Oh, we know you were just reporting the tweet as SOME information, which, as we know, is exceedingly rare. It's definitely newsworthy, that's for sure. And CHud's tweet is juuust ambiguous enough to be able to be interpreted either way, and your post definitely didn't mislead, Mackenzie.


But if I was a bettin' woman, I'd be expecting a long-winded version of "How About No" with lots of Marketing CYA phrases along the lines of "ultimately we selected the option to continue to include the current model that presents same-sex options in a non-included manner."

[Maugrim]

Siansonea II wrote...

Oh, we know you were just reporting the tweet as SOME information, which, as we know, is exceedingly rare. It's definitely newsworthy, that's for sure. And CHud's tweet is juuust ambiguous enough to be able to be interpreted either way, and your post definitely didn't mislead, Mackenzie.

But if I was a bettin' woman, I'd be expecting a long-winded version of "How About No" with lots of Marketing CYA phrases along the lines of "ultimately we selected the option to continue to include the current model that presents same-sex options in a non-included manner."

Oh you're probably right and just a few pages back you'd probably find me wearing the grumpy pants over some issue.  Just sometimes you need to use the stick AND carrot and at the moment there are quite a few sticks around

I do expect some marketing speak regardless of which way the outcome goes.  I mean even if they did toss in the s/s content that we wanted it still wouldn't erase several huge missteps made in the discussion such as Liara's gender/pre-defined/PG-13/I guess femshep doesn't count implications etc. etc.  Flat out admitting one goofed is usually bad for buisness after all and I don't expect them to say that.

Modifié par makenzieshepard, 09 mai 2011 - 05:41 .

[Ryzaki]

makenzieshepard wrote...
No. /Sten

Not clearly, which was the word I used in the actual tweet.

...I hate to be the downer debbie but that is a clear explanation. If the devs decided that Shepard wasn't a homosexual/bisexual male than he isn't. 

Just like Hawke doesn't seem to have a fully functioning brain. 

The devs made it so therefore it is. 

[KawaiiKatie]

Ryzaki wrote...

...I hate to be the downer debbie but that is a clear explanation. If the devs decided that Shepard wasn't a homosexual/bisexual male than he isn't.

Yes, it's a clear explanation. But you have to admit that it's an extremely unsatisfying one, given that female Shepard can pursue both heterosexual and homosexual relationships.

If the "male Shepard is straight" argument is what the Mass Effect devs decide to carry on to ME3, then I, for one, would like to see it discussed. Yes, it's a legitimate option, and no, the Mass Effect team would not owe us explanation for this decision. It's their game and they can do whatever they want, and they don't have to explain themselves to their fans. But I would like to see the reasoning behind it nonetheless--especially since Casey Hudson has now said that the issue should be discussed "in a good format at some point."

Ears open for that discussion, good sir Hudson! Ears open... and fingers crossed.

Modifié par KawaiiKatie, 09 mai 2011 - 06:59 .

[KawaiiKatie]

rynluna wrote...

If they aren't going to do any s/s romance in ME3, I'd love to encounter a gay npc.  Perhaps a soldier or a lovers quarrel between two guys.

I have to say, that would be much better than the "Can't you just pretend that two guys on the Citadel are dating?" suggestion we got a while back....

[Ashira Shepard]

Ryzaki wrote...
...I hate to be the downer debbie but that is a clear explanation. If the devs decided that Shepard wasn't a homosexual/bisexual male than he isn't. 

Just like Hawke doesn't seem to have a fully functioning brain. 

The devs made it so therefore it is. 

Nothing a little fanfiction writing can't fix...

[ElitePinecone]

Just caught up on Casey Hudson's tweets and the discussion here.

It seems fairly negative on the possibility of s/s for ME3, at least in my view. The words 'the decision-making' appears to suggest the decision's already been made (or was made from the first game) and the justification for it is still forthcoming. Along with an explanation of marketing issues, audience share, demographics and yadda yadda.

Still, at least it's something. It's good that devs are making themselves available for questions from Twitter.

[GameBoyish]

Whoa, the existence of M/M in ME3 seems unlikely with that tweet. I feel so upset.

I mean, I'm a straight girl, not a yaoi fangirl but M/M is just NEEDED damnit! We need balance!

Right now the ME series is like "here's a bunch of straight romance options and a blue alien which is monogendered but looks like a chick so that's kinda bisexual, enjoy!"

[SilentNukee]

Link to his tweet? (No idea what his twitter account is.) ..........I don't pay much attention to Twitter. Sorry for the noobness.

Edit: NVM...that was easy enough to find. =/

Modifié par SilentNukee, 09 mai 2011 - 09:39 .

[Blacklash93]

Hopefully they'll at least admit playing a gay Shepard is a viable role-playing option. That would satisfy me and it's certainly not asking for much.

Right now the ME series is like "here's a bunch of straight romance options and a blue alien which is monogendered but looks like a chick so that's kinda bisexual, enjoy!"

Liara IS female, so it does count as s/s content. Whether the alien thing works for you or not is another issue entirely.

Monogendered = One Gender and that gender happens to be female.

Modifié par Blacklash93, 09 mai 2011 - 12:16 .

[Wittand25]

Well that tweet does not sound too good. I wonder how long it will take to fully discuss it in an appropriate format.

Though on the plus side it was not asked if there are m/m and f/f romances and there is still no confirmation one way or another so one can still hope.

[ElitePinecone]

Blacklash93 wrote...

Hopefully they'll at least admit playing a gay Shepard is a viable role-playing option. That would satisfy me.

I asked Casey whether the inclusion of lines for a modded Kaidan/mShep or Ashley/femShep romance was deliberate, and if it'd be recognised again in ME3. He hasn't answered (then again, he probably has dozens of questions). 

I don't think anyone would seriously argue that you couldn't role-play Shepard as gay or lesbian; whether s/he has the chance to act on this in-game is a different matter. But to argue that characters are pre-defined is nonsense. 

[Blacklash93]

ElitePinecone wrote...

Blacklash93 wrote...

Hopefully they'll at least admit playing a gay Shepard is a viable role-playing option. That would satisfy me.

I don't think anyone would seriously argue that you couldn't role-play Shepard as gay or lesbian; whether s/he has the chance to act on this in-game is a different matter. But to argue that characters are pre-defined is nonsense. 

Someone should ask Casey that. 

Them admitting that would certainly help Bioware make peace with the community here. Perhaps even a long way toward it.

Modifié par Blacklash93, 09 mai 2011 - 12:21 .

[DrBobcat]

ElitePinecone wrote...

Just caught up on Casey Hudson's tweets and the discussion here.

It seems fairly negative on the possibility of s/s for ME3, at least in my view. The words 'the decision-making' appears to suggest the decision's already been made (or was made from the first game) and the justification for it is still forthcoming. Along with an explanation of marketing issues, audience share, demographics and yadda yadda.

Still, at least it's something. It's good that devs are making themselves available for questions from Twitter.

I agree with this interpretation of Hudson's words. The decision to not incorporate same-sex content was made long ago and now he'll attempt to explain why this was done. I doubt he will elaborate as much as we would like him to, however. While I'd love to be wrong, I expect we'll just hear more of the same empty rhetoric.

It is nice to see some sort of official response, though, even if it took this long. To be honest, my heart won't skip a beat when he confirms that s/s content will not be present in ME3. Most of us, I imagine, have known this for quite some time. All I'm looking for now is an apology of sorts. I'd be satisfied if he were to say something along the lines of, "The situation was handled recklessly. We should have been more careful with our words. We will try to be more forthright in the future."

Yeah, I could barely write that with a straight face.

Blacklash93 wrote...

Hopefully they'll at least admit playing a gay Shepard is a viable role-playing option. That would satisfy me.

I'd like this as well.

Once again, we must wait and see. My fingers have been crossed for so long. It would be nice if they could get a decent stretch.

Modifié par DrBobcat, 09 mai 2011 - 12:42 .

[jlb524]

So, Casey is going to describe the decision making behind leaving out s/s content in the Mass Effect series while there is s/s content in the ME series (Liara and Kelly)???

[TMA LIVE]

ElitePinecone wrote...

Just caught up on Casey Hudson's tweets and the discussion here.

It seems fairly negative on the possibility of s/s for ME3, at least in my view. The words 'the decision-making' appears to suggest the decision's already been made (or was made from the first game) and the justification for it is still forthcoming. Along with an explanation of marketing issues, audience share, demographics and yadda yadda.

Still, at least it's something. It's good that devs are making themselves available for questions from Twitter.

Is there a link?

[Wittand25]

TMA LIVE wrote...

ElitePinecone wrote...
Just caught up on Casey Hudson's tweets and the discussion here.

Is there a link?

makenzieshepard wrote...
 May I direct you to Casey Hudson's twitter

Modifié par Wittand25, 09 mai 2011 - 06:04 .

[ADLegend21]

rynluna wrote...

BrandNewMan wrote...

Let alone romances, why aren't gay guys represented in the games at all?

If they aren't going to do any s/s romance in ME3, I'd love to encounter a gay npc.  Perhaps a soldier or a lovers quarrel between two guys. 

a Mix of that would be so cute:
NPC1: you don't even spot me during PT anymore.
NPC2: You don't need spotting, honey, what's this really about?

or something like that.

[Arrow70]

I have two problems with same-sex rommance in ME3, (I'm not going to bring ideals into this).
(this is actually a reply to another thread of the same topic but I thought this seemedd like a better thread. also I havent read much of this thread so if these have already been brought up just bear with me please)

My first problem is that currently there is no seperation between "chatting to" and "chatting up'". just the generic "Want to talk?". I love having conversations with garruss and thane and so on but I dont want to screw up any romance that I currently have with another character. This is the same reason that I never talked to any other female characters for fear messing up my current LI. If bioware could seperate the two options, like have an option specificaly designated as a romance option this would fix it, otherwise it is almost like it's forced on you because you would miss out on the platonic relationships.

My second problem is, that I personally, wouldn't want to see characters who have never been homosexual to suddenly be based on the players choices.
-For example. if thane were to return and this was given a gay option it wouldn't make any sense, He already had a wife and child and we'd have to beleive that he'd suddenly become gay? the same could be applied to Garrus or Miranda, both of whom are clearly heterosexual. And the bisexual exuse is simply bad writing. Maybe Kaiden since the dialog hints at it in ME1.

This problem could be fixed with New LI's but therre aren't any in ME3.

Can some one please respond to this.

[samurai crusade]

I felt DA2 forced it.
I'm fine with having gay/lesbian/bi characters. But every character falling in that category is dumb.
My Fem-shep wants Joker.... for some reason he's just not into her. She accepts that.. part of their relationship.
But having every LI as bi is just a copout saying... we could't create unique personalities so we'll let their personality change for each Shepard. I'm sorry but not everyone is bi. Not everyone is romancable. Should we have an option other than Liara (doesn't really count beacuse she's monogendered) and Kelly (not a true LI). Yes. But I do not feel that every character should be that way like in DA2... that was just rediculous

I agree Arrow70. you can't change existing characters for ME3.

[Blacklash93]

samurai crusade wrote...

I felt DA2 forced it.
I'm fine with having gay/lesbian/bi characters. But every character falling in that category is dumb.
My Fem-shep wants Joker.... for some reason he's just not into her. She accepts that.. part of their relationship.
But having every LI as bi is just a copout saying... we could't create unique personalities so we'll let their personality change for each Shepard. I'm sorry but not everyone is bi. Not everyone is romancable. Should we have an option other than Liara (doesn't really count beacuse she's monogendered) and Kelly (not a true LI). Yes. But I do not feel that every character should be that way like in DA2... that was just rediculous

I agree Arrow70. you can't change existing characters for ME3.

There's much more to a character than their sexuality. All the romancable characters being bi doesn't hurt what they are outside of that and sexuality makes no one more or less unique in personality. It's just trying to be inclusive. Not lazy. I'm not saying I agree with Bioware's decision in DA2, but just pointing that out.

And, again, Liara is female. It's in the codex and most people here obviously don't get what the term "monogendered" means. She does count.

Modifié par Blacklash93, 09 mai 2011 - 08:13 .

[Arrow70]

But with DA2 it seperated romantic and freindly banter. Currently ME does not. So youd be missing out on the platonic relationships because you dont want a romantic one.

[KawaiiKatie]

Arrow70 wrote...

if thane were to return and this was given a gay option it wouldn't make any sense, He already had a wife and child and we'd have to beleive that he'd suddenly become gay?

Well, for one thing, no one here wants Thane as a strictly homosexual option. He would not "suddenly become gay." If he becomes a romance for male Shepards in ME3, it'll be because he's a romance for both sexes.

Having a wife and son does not preclude Thane (or anyone) from wanting or engaging in homosexual relationships. Men and women in loving, heterosexual marriages (even if they choose to have children) can still desire homosexual sex if they are, in fact, bisexual. The same goes for bisexual men and women in homosexual relationships--though committed to their same-sex partner, they can still desire heterosexual sex. If Thane is revealed as bisexual in ME3, it will be because he was always bisexual, and having a wife and a child did not change that. This would not be as "unbelievable" as so many seem to think it would be.

Many people also seem to think that it would be strange if a love-interest previously restricted to opposite-sex Shepard became available to both sexes, but I fail to see how it would be any more unbelievable than Garrus and Tali becoming available as love interests in the first place. They showed no romantic interest in Shepard over the course of ME1, but then for ME2 we were expected to "believe" that they were "suddenly" eager for sex with Shepard come ME2? No. We were simply exposed to more sides of the same characters we've come to adore. And if any of the currently-"heterosexual" characters are opened up as bisexual romance sin ME3, it'll be because they are finally ready to reveal that side of themselves.

Modifié par KawaiiKatie, 09 mai 2011 - 08:35 .