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[grod4l]

I would love it if hugs were added. Who doesn't love a good bro hug from Garrus?

[Collider]

Posting to lend my support for same sex romances in Bioware games. Contrary to my previous position, I don't care if existing characters are opened up to the same sex. It's not really a big deal, and will probably benefit more people anyway.

[FataliTensei]

Collider wrote...

Posting to lend my support for same sex romances in Bioware games. Contrary to my previous position, I don't care if existing characters are opened up to the same sex. It's not really a big deal, and will probably benefit more people anyway.

Thanks Collider

[jlb524]

Collider wrote...

Posting to lend my support for same sex romances in Bioware games. Contrary to my previous position, I don't care if existing characters are opened up to the same sex. It's not really a big deal, and will probably benefit more people anyway.

Oh really?  When did this happen? 

[jlb524]

Em23 wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...
I support the Flirt/Romance dialogue wheel option: +3

It sounds like they're going to do something like this in DA2...

Really?  That's great.  Something like that might increase the likelihood of s/s romances being in DA2 at least.

[Collider]

jlb524 wrote...

Em23 wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...
I support the Flirt/Romance dialogue wheel option: +3

It sounds like they're going to do something like this in DA2...

Really?  That's great.  Something like that might increase the likelihood of s/s romances being in DA2 at least.

Because it would stop people from "accidentally" flirting on a member of the same sex or entering a romance with them, I presume?

[Cancer Puppet]

I'm straight, and if gay gamers (Gaymers? just joking) want the option for same sex romances in ME3 then I don't really see why they shouldn't get it. It's like gay marriage...It doesn't have any effect on me, so why should I care if gay people get married? And if you're homophobic, relax. Again, this is just like real life. Just because the option is there, doesn't mean you have to exercise it.

[Malevolence65]

You support new romances in Mass Effect 3? That's just silly. It's the final act, we don't want Bioware wasting their time on something as frivolous as this. To be honest, even though I'm happy with current romance options, I wouldn't have minded if there were more, but I don't want any new ones. They need to develop character interactions for characters that are already in the series.

[Collider]

I think part of thread is just support for same sex romances in the future in general, not necessarily Mass Effect.

[ElitePinecone]

Malevolence65 wrote...

You support new romances in Mass Effect 3? That's just silly. It's the final act, we don't want Bioware wasting their time on something as frivolous as this. To be honest, even though I'm happy with current romance options, I wouldn't have minded if there were more, but I don't want any new ones. They need to develop character interactions for characters that are already in the series.

Given the events of Mass Effect and Mass Effect 2, new characters in the third game (and, yes, romance options) are almost required. Without going into spoiler territory, some players could finish Mass Effect 2 having a squad of 12, while some could have as few as 2 members - keeping in mind that the player's ME2 romance option may not be part of this number. Players are going to begin the third game with literally hundreds of different combinations of characters left over from both previous games - it would be nigh on impossible for Bioware to expand on all these combinations equally. What's the point in recording 100 lines of dialogue for one character, let alone 12 different ones, that many people may not have not carried over? How does Bioware compensate for some players' squads having 15 members (if we assume all squad members will carry over) and others having as few as four?

In my view, this points to a cameo role for many of ME2's squadmembers, and new ones for ME3 which will hopefully include more romance interests. Any other solution, with all the complexities of the previous games, would be very very hard to implement successfully. That being said, obviously they will probably have some sort of role, including the player's ME2 romance interest, if they had one. 

[DanielJr]

Malevolence65 wrote...

You support new romances in Mass Effect 3? That's just silly. It's the final act, we don't want Bioware wasting their time on something as frivolous as this. To be honest, even though I'm happy with current romance options, I wouldn't have minded if there were more, but I don't want any new ones. They need to develop character interactions for characters that are already in the series.

I'll second this.

[Wittand25]

Malevolence65 wrote...

You support new romances in Mass Effect 3? That's just silly. It's the final act, we don't want Bioware wasting their time on something as frivolous as this. To be honest, even though I'm happy with current romance options, I wouldn't have minded if there were more, but I don't want any new ones. They need to develop character interactions for characters that are already in the series.

New squadmates in ME3 are pretty much set in stone because for the reasons that Elitepinecone mentions and because content with new squadmates is easier to create than content with old ones. I am pretty sure that the squad in ME3 will consist of the Virmire survivor,Liara, two or three of the members of the ME2 squad (Jacob, Miranda, Tali, Garrus ) and some new faces.
Think about it this way what are you going to talk about with e.g Jack or Thane ? In ME2 you are supposed to resolve their deepest issue which does not leave much options for new (interesting) interactions. 
Also we don't know how long after ME2 ME3 takes place (the fact that there is a book taking place in the time between the games suggests that it is not an immediate successor) and several sqadmates have a limited lifespan, others have no reason to stick with Shepard after the sucide mission and even tell you so in game.

Even if there are no new squadmembers an s/s romance could be implemented with an existing one (for various reasons that is not an ideal solution but better than nothing).

[Collider]

I can't see Jack and Thane not returning, especially Thane.



And yea, I don't mind implementation for existing ones (although I would think that Jacob M/M would be hilarious), but having new characters that are gay or bisexual are preferable. If not Mass Effect 3, then the future Bioware games down the line, including newly announced Dragon Age 2.

[catabuca]

Haven't been around for a good long time, but popping in to say of course I still lend my unfaltering support to s/s relationships in ME



And lo-and-behold, on the very page I post on, here is Collider lending his support. That makes me really happy Collider, thank you

[Kyero]

have you guys ever consider maybe the other characters besides shepard arent gay/lesbian? Having everyone in his crew Bi would completely stupid.

wonna know why you cant romance morrigan as a female in Dragon age? because she's not into girls

im not tryin to be mean or object to same sex relationships, I say this because it would make the game seem weird if everyone where Bi or w.e.

Modifié par Kyero, 16 juillet 2010 - 10:12 .

[LiquidGrape]

Kyero wrote...

have you guys ever consider maybe the other characters besides shepard arent gay/lesbian? Having everyone in his crew Bi would completely stupid.

Have you considered that they might be?
This feels like a very constructive exchange.

Gay and lesbian describes the same thing, by the by.

Modifié par LiquidGrape, 16 juillet 2010 - 10:29 .

[Kyero]

LiquidGrape wrote...

Kyero wrote...

have you guys ever consider maybe the other characters besides shepard arent gay/lesbian? Having everyone in his crew Bi would completely stupid.

Have you considered that they might be?
This feels like a very constructive exchange.

Gay and lesbian describes the same thing, by the by.

well from what morrigan said, no.

err you changed ur post, so ... yea exactly what i mean. you cant have all the damn characters Bi.

but if anything they should be fair and have 1 gay, 1 lesbian and maybe one Bi.

Modifié par Kyero, 16 juillet 2010 - 10:14 .

[catabuca]

I made my preferences clear in earlier threads, but there's nothing like a new thread (even if it's 1 month old now) to get me typing, so ...

I strongly believe the implementation of any s/s relationship should be handled in exactly the same way as m/f relationships are currently handled, and the way they are handled in DA:

 – The concerns of the s/s crowd do not exist in a vacuum away from other gaming concerns. As such we should emphasize the need for the writers to address the shoddy way femShep and Jacob's dialogue was handled, for instance. That is the example most cited by those who advocate systems that include a toggle, coloured text, etc. That problem is a problem for ALL players though, not just in terms of would-be gay relationships. If that was addressed at the level of writing and development it would present no problem whatsoever. To anyone.

 – Homophobia exists. Of course it does. But its sparse interjections in this thread represent a small(-minded) minority. You can rest assured that if BW decides to implement s/s relationships in the ME franchise, it will not add in such clauses to appease this minority, nor should it. Some talk about 'making everybody happy': homophobia does not rest on a level playing field with other legitimate concerns, and just as racism, xenophobia or misogyny do not deserve to be given fair hearing, neither does that. It is one thing to engage with people's views on a message board, discussion is healthy after all, but it is quite another to pander to those views in day-to-day life, as an individual or as a company making product decisions. S/s relationships may well have been cut from ME and ME2 because of an impression that 'the shooter crowd won't like it', but if they are re-introduced it is quite another thing to develop and construct that content around the bigoted, homophobic sensibilities of a very, very small, and wrong-headed, minority. Remember: BW exists in the real world, not on an internet message board. In the real world, we don't pander to bigots.

Ultimately, and to reiterate, BW have 'form' when it comes to creating s/s relationships in their games, and most recently DA is an excellent example that. If they decide to include it in ME3 (or any other iteration of the franchise), expect them to follow that form, and to follow the form of the Liara/femShep relationship. It isn't broken; there is no reason to fix it. What is broken is the way that some of the relationship options in general were implemented (Jacob. Woe.), but that is pretty much restricted to ME2 and some unfortunate writing decisions made on their part.

[LiquidGrape]

Kyero wrote...

well from what morrigan said, no.

err you changed ur post, so ... yea exactly what i mean. you cant have all the damn characters Bi.

but if anything they should be fair and have 1 gay, 1 lesbian and maybe one Bi.

I did intentionally omit Morrigan from my post. Not that it matters; she's pretty much inconsequential to this debate anyway.
And what I changed was a technicality which I have subsequently restored. I would absolutely argue that any character whose sexuality hasn't been firmly established could be a bisexual option.
Why couldn't they be?
Isn't it more ridiculous to assume that homosexuality would be more obscure than the kind of interspecies relations Mass Effect is so fond of?

[mhammer50]

While I now begrudgingly agree that this makes sense on a rational level, it just seems to me that none of the male chacters strike me as gay or even bi for that matter, and considering how much effort bioware puts into making its characters I just don't see it happening with any of the charaters that are already in this trilogy. As far as new character are concerned, I say it would add to the depth of the plethora of characters in that universe.

Modifié par mhammer50, 16 juillet 2010 - 11:33 .

[JockBuster]

Collider wrote...

I can't see Jack and Thane not returning, especially Thane.

And yea, I don't mind implementation for existing ones (although I would think that Jacob M/M would be hilarious), but having new characters that are gay or bisexual are preferable. If not Mass Effect 3, then the future Bioware games down the line, including newly announced Dragon Age 2.

To answer your double negative, neither will return:
Thane is dying, his life span is less than 18 months, he tells Shepard this early in his conversations (first the penthouse then on the Normandy).  
Jack just wants to get it over with then split.
Bisexual, would be nice if Kaiden could romance a male Shepard in ME3, given the debriefing after Virmire if Shepard saves Kaidan and lets Ash die. AND the e-male a FEMshep gets in ME2 after Horizion after romancing Kaiden in ME1.
IF you don'e want a same sex romance then don't do it! But not giving someone the option is totally different. 
Old navy saying, "ANY port in a storm," and that can be taken many ways, same for athiest in a fox hole (Male Shep & Ash in cargo bay).

Modifié par JockBuster, 17 juillet 2010 - 12:51 .

[Gibb_Garrus]

Do you people seriously think that bioware will turn all crew members bi? Do you know how stupid that sounds?

[SorenTrigg]

mhammer50 wrote...

While I now begrudgingly agree that this makes sense on a rational level, it just seems to me that none of the male chacters strike me as gay or even bi for that matter, and considering how much effort bioware puts into making its characters I just don't see it happening with any of the charaters that are already in this trilogy. As far as new character are concerned, I say it would add to the depth of the plethora of characters in that universe.

You have to keep in mind though, there is no set personality or way of acting for anyone who is bisexual or gay. So just because someone doesn't 'seem gay/bi' doesn't mean they aren't.
It is bad to stereotype, remember.

[ElitePinecone]

SorenTrigg wrote...

mhammer50 wrote...

While I now begrudgingly agree that this makes sense on a rational level, it just seems to me that none of the male chacters strike me as gay or even bi for that matter, and considering how much effort bioware puts into making its characters I just don't see it happening with any of the charaters that are already in this trilogy. As far as new character are concerned, I say it would add to the depth of the plethora of characters in that universe.

You have to keep in mind though, there is no set personality or way of acting for anyone who is bisexual or gay. So just because someone doesn't 'seem gay/bi' doesn't mean they aren't.
It is bad to stereotype, remember.

This. Also, your (or mine, or anybody's) interpretation of someone's sexuality will be different. Bioware clearly intended (at least for a time) for several characters to be bisexual - Kaidan in the first game, and Thane (at the least) in the second. The dialogue is there, the romance triggers are there, the love scene is there in part. To Bioware (at least until they had a change of heart), Kaidan was always meant to be bisexual. It was part of his character, so to speak. Part of the 'depth' you speak of included a possible gay romance with MShep. 

Of course new characters would also be great, if they were introduced. 

[SorenTrigg]

ElitePinecone wrote...

Also, your (or mine, or anybody's) interpretation of someone's sexuality will be different. Bioware clearly intended (at least for a time) for several characters to be bisexual - Kaidan in the first game, and Thane (at the least) in the second. The dialogue is there, the romance triggers are there, the love scene is there in part. To Bioware (at least until they had a change of heart), Kaidan was always meant to be bisexual. It was part of his character, so to speak. Part of the 'depth' you speak of included a possible gay romance with MShep. 

Of course new characters would also be great, if they were introduced. 

Likewise Ash as well in the first game, remember.