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[Bill569]

jlb524 wrote...

Bill569 wrote...

Do you have any idea how large is the Garrus fanbase?

Do you think I care?

Why are they more important than people that want s/s content?

Because they are more.

[Centauri2002]

Bill569 wrote...

Because they are more.

At the moment, there are more of us who think your specific view is wrong than who think you're right. Does that make our view more important than yours?

[jlb524]

Bill569 wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

Bill569 wrote...

Do you have any idea how large is the Garrus fanbase?

Do you think I care?

Why are they more important than people that want s/s content?

Because they are more.

'More' is relative.  Well, there are probably far more people that would have liked to have another romanceable female over Garrus (given that most of the ME fanbase is male).   Now, this fanbase is the minority in comparison to another....so why were they catered to?

[Barackus2]

centauri2002 wrote...

If you've seen the polls, you'll see there are quite a number of people who want to romance existing characters too with the same gender. But apparently one is right, the other is wrong. On another note, why is it okay to have a sexual relationship with an alien? Something that isn't even human? There's no chance of producing a child so clearly it's unnatural, by your logic.

I don't think that's true the only poll I've seen is was shared with people for/don't care and the majority don't care about this option and feel that people can do whatever they want to with their own character in their own game.  Unless there is another poll going around I haven't seen.

[Bill569]

centauri2002 wrote...

Bill569 wrote...

Yes, including myself. But that fanbase mainly consists of ladies. Casey Hudson said in one of his interviews: Initially we didn't know how people would react to the aliens. We were surprised when we learn that many people wanted a relationship with Garrus who has an exosceleton.

If you've seen the polls, you'll see there are quite a number of people who want to romance existing characters too with the same gender. But apparently one is right, the other is wrong. On another note, why is it okay to have a sexual relationship with an alien? Something that isn't even human? There's no chance of producing a child so clearly it's unnatural, by your logic.

Because the romancable aliens may have great physical differences from humans, but their minds are similar to a human's. They are humans with alien forms.

[Centauri2002]

Barackus2 wrote...

I don't think that's true the only poll I've seen is was shared with people for/don't care and the majority don't care about this option and feel that people can do whatever they want to with their own character in their own game.  Unless there is another poll going around I haven't seen.

I didn't specify what the "quite the number" was, but if you purely look at the Liara/FemShep numbers then it's pretty evident that the appeal is there. I'll need to find the poll I saw that in but, if I remember correctly, the numbers of FemShep/Liara were above MaleShep/Liara in regards to overall relationship choices for all FemShep/MaleSheps.

[Barackus2]

jlb524 wrote...


'More' is relative.  Well, there are probably far more people that would have liked to have another romanceable female over Garrus (given that most of the ME fanbase is male).   Now, this fanbase is the minority in comparison to another....so why were they catered to?

Because Garrus is a bro and it's really cool being able to save the universe with your best friend, not everything has to be about sex damn lol...besides bros before you know..

[Centauri2002]

Bill569 wrote...
Because the romancable aliens may have great physical differences from humans, but their minds are similar to a human's. They are humans with alien forms.

What are you talking about? You were just saying how different the asari views were to our own so now you're contradicting yourself. Not only that but are you now saying that homosexuals aren't human? 

What has the mind got to do with physical reproduction?

Modifié par centauri2002, 12 mai 2011 - 03:10 .

[Barackus2]

centauri2002 wrote...

Barackus2 wrote...

I don't think that's true the only poll I've seen is was shared with people for/don't care and the majority don't care about this option and feel that people can do whatever they want to with their own character in their own game.  Unless there is another poll going around I haven't seen.

I didn't specify what the "quite the number" was, but if you purely look at the Liara/FemShep numbers then it's pretty evident that the appeal is there. I'll need to find the poll I saw that in but, if I remember correctly, the numbers of FemShep/Liara were above MaleShep/Liara in regards to overall relationship choices for all FemShep/MaleSheps.

I think that might be because we as men if we decide to do a female playthrough will try to pick a female companion if its possible...:innocent:  Yes I know we are pigs, even in DA:O when I played my female dwarf commoner she was in a s/s relationship because I did not want to romance a guy.  I don't know if that is a common trend, but I think it's more people than you think.

[jlb524]

Barackus2 wrote...

jlb524 wrote...


'More' is relative.  Well, there are probably far more people that would have liked to have another romanceable female over Garrus (given that most of the ME fanbase is male).   Now, this fanbase is the minority in comparison to another....so why were they catered to?

Because Garrus is a bro and it's really cool being able to save the universe with your best friend, not everything has to be about sex damn lol...besides bros before you know..

That has nothing to do with what I said.

[Bill569]

centauri2002 wrote...

Bill569 wrote...

Because they are more.

At the moment, there are more of us who think your specific view is wrong than who think you're right. Does that make our view more important than yours?

For Bioware, whatever sells more is more important. So, for Bioware my opinion is more important than yours because althought right now there are more people supporting your opinion, the player community as a whole mostly agrees with my opinion.

[Terror330]

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I think that might be because we as men if we decide to do a female playthrough will try to pick a female companion if its possible...:innocent:  Yes I know we are pigs, even in DA:O when I played my female dwarf commoner she was in a s/s relationship because I did not want to romance a guy.  I don't know if that is a common trend, but I think it's more people than you think.

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I do the same exact thing.

[Space Toaster]

Bill569 wrote...
the player community as a whole mostly agrees with my opinion.

And you know this how?

[Barackus2]

jlb524 wrote...

Barackus2 wrote...

jlb524 wrote...


'More' is relative.  Well, there are probably far more people that would have liked to have another romanceable female over Garrus (given that most of the ME fanbase is male).   Now, this fanbase is the minority in comparison to another....so why were they catered to?

Because Garrus is a bro and it's really cool being able to save the universe with your best friend, not everything has to be about sex damn lol...besides bros before you know..

That has nothing to do with what I said.

Yes it does.  You said there were 'probably' more people that wanted a romanceable female over Garrus since most of the ME fanbase is male.  I told you that is wrong because as a male I would rather have someone as bro as Garrus along for the ride instead of another throwaway romance.

[jlb524]

Barackus2 wrote...

I think that might be because we as men if we decide to do a female playthrough will try to pick a female companion if its possible...:innocent:  Yes I know we are pigs, even in DA:O when I played my female dwarf commoner she was in a s/s relationship because I did not want to romance a guy.  I don't know if that is a common trend, but I think it's more people than you think.

No, I think most people are aware of this.

Loads of straight guys like to play f/f romances and loads of straight women like to play m/m romances.  Which means that the fanbase that enjoys s/s romances (regardless of their orientation) is significant in size.

If we are sticking to the numbers argument, BW should take fanbase seriously when designing romances.

[Wittand25]

Bill569 wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

Bill569 wrote...

Do you have any idea how large is the Garrus fanbase?

Do you think I care?

Why are they more important than people that want s/s content?

Because they are more.

I just checked the groups here on the network. And the only character group significantly bigger than the Fight for the Love group is Tali´s. The group of Garrus and Miranda are about the same size and the groups of the others are way smaller.

[Bill569]

centauri2002 wrote...

Bill569 wrote...
Because the romancable aliens may have great physical differences from humans, but their minds are similar to a human's. They are humans with alien forms.

What are you talking about? You were just saying how different the asari views were to our own so now you're contradicting yourself. Not only that but are you now saying that homosexuals aren't human? 

What has the mind got to do with physical reproduction?

-EDIT-

If right now all humans became female, our society wouldn't differ greatly from the asari's.

Modifié par Bill569, 12 mai 2011 - 03:17 .

[Centauri2002]

Bill569 wrote...

For Bioware, whatever sells more is more important. So, for Bioware my opinion is more important than yours because althought right now there are more people supporting your opinion, the player community as a whole mostly agrees with my opinion.

That's quite the arrogant view you have there. 

I don't consider my opinion more important than yours. Because it's just that - an opinion. It's affected by my own experiences and my own views on the world, which are very different to yours. I also don't believe BioWare thinks yours are more important either.

Now I call BS on that, I'm afraid. Cite your source or I'm not buying it.

[jlb524]

Barackus2 wrote...

Yes it does.  You said there were 'probably' more people that wanted a romanceable female over Garrus since most of the ME fanbase is male.  I told you that is wrong because as a male I would rather have someone as bro as Garrus along for the ride instead of another throwaway romance.

Oh, sorry!  I think you misunderstood.

I meant replace Garrus' romance with another female romance, but not replace Garrus himself.

So, you would still have Garrus on your squad and he would still be your bro, but they would have made Kasumi a romance option instead of him.

[Barackus2]

jlb524 wrote...

Barackus2 wrote...

Yes it does.  You said there were 'probably' more people that wanted a romanceable female over Garrus since most of the ME fanbase is male.  I told you that is wrong because as a male I would rather have someone as bro as Garrus along for the ride instead of another throwaway romance.

Oh, sorry!  I think you misunderstood.

I meant replace Garrus' romance with another female romance, but not replace Garrus himself.

So, you would still have Garrus on your squad and he would still be your bro, but they would have made Kasumi a romance option instead of him.

AHHHH ok sorry about the misunderstanding then. LOL I get all crazy when somoene threatens removing my favorite character

[ElitePinecone]

Just a tiny reminder to keep real-world sociopolitical discussion about same-sex relationships to a minimum - things can turn nasty.

*ahem* Carry on, good people!

Edit: Also, civility is nice... :/ 

Modifié par ElitePinecone, 12 mai 2011 - 03:22 .

[Centauri2002]

Bill569 wrote...

centauri2002 wrote...

Bill569 wrote...
Because the romancable aliens may have great physical differences from humans, but their minds are similar to a human's. They are humans with alien forms.

What are you talking about? You were just saying how different the asari views were to our own so now you're contradicting yourself. Not only that but are you now saying that homosexuals aren't human? 

What has the mind got to do with physical reproduction?

-EDIT-

If right now all humans became female, our society wouldn't differ greatly from the asari's.

And your point..? Anatomically we are so different from other species that we cannot produce children with them. 

You say that it's still viable because they are still 'human on the inside'. Last I checked, so were homosexuals. So that should make homosexuality perfectly fine as well.

[Terror330]

Okay, how about I try to get us back on topic a little?

What f/f options would you like to see put into the game? What m/m options would you like to see in the game?

[Bill569]

centauri2002 wrote...

Bill569 wrote...

For Bioware, whatever sells more is more important. So, for Bioware my opinion is more important than yours because althought right now there are more people supporting your opinion, the player community as a whole mostly agrees with my opinion.

That's quite the arrogant view you have there. 

I don't consider my opinion more important than yours. Because it's just that - an opinion. It's affected by my own experiences and my own views on the world, which are very different to yours. I also don't believe BioWare thinks yours are more important either.

Now I call BS on that, I'm afraid. Cite your source or I'm not buying it.

I am only saying that Bioware will try to satisfy as many players as possible. So, for Bioware it is more important to include a relationship with Garrus in ME2 than a same-sex one, because that way it will satisfy more people.

No, personally I don't believe my opinion is more important than any other's.

Modifié par Bill569, 12 mai 2011 - 03:26 .