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[jlb524]

centauri2002 wrote...

Even though they're not. D:

I suppose it's easy to get used to having everything to yourself and then throw a tantrum when you have to share your toys with others.

Haahaa, yes.

I so want BW to make a game with only s/s LIs...then they will know how it feels to really be excluded.

I think it makes people feel special...that they have access to something that others don't.  Because they are straight and they are worth being catered to while non-straights are not as worthy...it makes some people feel all warm and fuzzy inside.

[jlb524]

centauri2002 wrote...
If players are actively seeking out content they don't like, they're either masochists or they're complaining just a tad too much.

Or they really do like it

I know I don't seek out content I don't like.

I see this happening on youtube all the time...people will click on a, let's say, FemShep/Liara vid (one that's clearly labeled as such), watch the thing and leave a comment "Ew, this sucks!  Teh gays!"  if you don't like that sort of thing, why are you hunting for vids featuring it, watching it, and then taking the time to leave a comment?

[Wittand25]

Since Mr. Hudson seems to be tweeting again can sombody ask him if there is a male LI for male Shepard this time? (not hwho or how just if such an NPC exists)

I do not have a twitter acount and do not want to create one just for this.

[Ryzaki]

He's not gonna answer. Just gonna go under "spoilers" why the absence of a choice counts as a spoiler I'll never know. :/

[Blacklash93]

Ghost Warrior wrote...

Your Shepard isn't gay,you just imagine him that way.

Shepard, save for a few backround details, is more of a blank slate than most people realize. That's the point of an RPG player character. If Shepard was so defined, why does Bioware even give us dialogue options or customization?

Why would most of his history stay unmentioned? Why does Shepard rarely give any exposition to his/her choices? It's because you're supposed to imagine it.

[Blacklash93]

Ryzaki wrote...

He's not gonna answer. Just gonna go under "spoilers" why the absence of a choice counts as a spoiler I'll never know. :/

Especially when all you're going to do is disappoint people.

[FataliTensei]

Wittand25 wrote...

Since Mr. Hudson seems to be tweeting again can sombody ask him if there is a male LI for male Shepard this time? (not hwho or how just if such an NPC exists)

I do not have a twitter acount and do not want to create one just for this.

I asked twice, no response, I'm not going to bother anymore

[Ryzaki]

FataliTensei wrote...

Wittand25 wrote...

Since Mr. Hudson seems to be tweeting again can sombody ask him if there is a male LI for male Shepard this time? (not hwho or how just if such an NPC exists)

I do not have a twitter acount and do not want to create one just for this.

I asked twice, no response, I'm not going to bother anymore

It's a no then.

What a shocking twist! 

[KawaiiKatie]

Ryzaki wrote...

FataliTensei wrote...

I asked twice, no response, I'm not going to bother anymore

It's a no then.

Oh, come on, that's not entirely fair! Lots of people are asking him lots of questions through Twitter, and he can't answer them all. Just because you repeated yourself twice doesn't mean that there's no same-sex content in ME3.

I'm stayin' hopeful. Johnathan Shepard will find himself a man! <3

Modifié par KawaiiKatie, 12 mai 2011 - 08:28 .

[Blacklash93]

Perhaps you can be a bit more subtle in how you approach it. Instead of outright asking if there are m/m romances or anything like that, ask him if he could comment on the double standard with Liara (fit in that she IS female however you can with only 140 characters) and Kelly.

Or ask him how they plan to discuss the subject later on. Or if they are interested in settling this with us.

Modifié par Blacklash93, 12 mai 2011 - 08:35 .

[FataliTensei]

Blacklash93 wrote...

Perhaps you can be a bit more subtle in how you approach it. Instead of outright asking if there are m/m romances or anything like that, ask him if he could comment on the double standard with Liara (fit in that she IS female however you can with only 140 characters) and Kelly.

Or ask him how they plan to discuss the subject later on. Or if they are interested in settling this with us.

K I asked him if he'll comment on the double stantard set by Liara or bring up the issues at all. Again I am  highly doubting we'll get a response, compared to everything else, including Talimancers (no offense) we are the bottom of the food chain here.

[Ryzaki]

FataliTensei wrote...

Blacklash93 wrote...

Perhaps you can be a bit more subtle in how you approach it. Instead of outright asking if there are m/m romances or anything like that, ask him if he could comment on the double standard with Liara (fit in that she IS female however you can with only 140 characters) and Kelly.

Or ask him how they plan to discuss the subject later on. Or if they are interested in settling this with us.

K I asked him if he'll comment on the double stantard set by Liara or bring up the issues at all. Again I am  highly doubting we'll get a response, compared to everything else, including Talimancers (no offense) we are the bottom of the food chain here.

Forget bottom we don't even exist. 

[KawaiiKatie]

Blacklash93 wrote...

Perhaps you can be a bit more subtle in how you approach it. Instead of outright asking if there are m/m romances or anything like that, ask him if he could comment on the double standard with Liara (fit in that she IS female however you can with only 140 characters) and Kelly.

Hmm... In less than 140 characters, that would look something like:

@CaseyDHudson Why can femShep be a lesbian with Liara (the codex says she's female) and Kelly, but manShep can't be gay with anyone?

Does that sound about right?

Anyway, I doubt he'll answer any of these same-sex Tweets, not because ME3 will lack such content, but because it's a hot-button topic. To be completely fair, he's probably dodging the constant "Will there be more female aliens?" question, too.

Besides, he's already stated that he wants to discuss the topic in "a good format." So... it's on his mind. Or at least it's on his mind when we remind him.

In any case, it's not an inherently bad idea to ask Casey Hudson about same-sex content through Twitter, because it shows support for homosexual content, but I don't think he's likely to answer.

Modifié par KawaiiKatie, 12 mai 2011 - 09:06 .

[FataliTensei]

Ryzaki wrote...

FataliTensei wrote...

Blacklash93 wrote...

Perhaps you can be a bit more subtle in how you approach it. Instead of outright asking if there are m/m romances or anything like that, ask him if he could comment on the double standard with Liara (fit in that she IS female however you can with only 140 characters) and Kelly.

Or ask him how they plan to discuss the subject later on. Or if they are interested in settling this with us.

K I asked him if he'll comment on the double stantard set by Liara or bring up the issues at all. Again I am  highly doubting we'll get a response, compared to everything else, including Talimancers (no offense) we are the bottom of the food chain here.

Forget bottom we don't even exist. 

We may be Anti-Existant at this point

[Ryzaki]

FataliTensei wrote...
We may be Anti-Existant at this point 

 We're invisible! Yay! I can pull pranks and never get caught. 

[Sahariel]

Siansonea II wrote...

If two people can be pregnant at the same time, they're both female. Asari can get pregnant and have babies, therefore they are female aliens. DEAL WITH IT, IDIOTS. You can try to lawyer that same-sex option for female Shepard away if you want, but it's an exercise in Fail Logic, and really only shows that you'd rather bend the fake reality of Mass Effect to support your own hatred/fear/resentment/stupidity toward homosexuality in the real world. Congratulations on achieving "Cro-Magnon" on the evolutionary scale. Have a cookie.

Now, back to same-sex LI options, maybe we could get the Normandy Requisitions Officer from ME1 back as a Male Kelly? I wouldn't mind seeing him dance for my male Sentinel. And he shops for a living, that has to satisfy those who seek to reinforce stereotypes at all cost.

Ummm actually male seahorses carry their young to term so thats not always the case. As to what goes on in a fictional sci-fi universe is I would say up to that universe's creators, but if I can find a real world example of a male carrying a child it gives Bioware a bit of leeway in defining the paramaters of the aliens that they create. So before you go around calling other people idiots in capital letters, go and get an education.

Anyway back to the matter in hand more relationship options in games makes for a more interesting game. I think the to-ing and fro-ing over the Asari issue is a pointless excercise as we are ultimately arguing over something made up, and Bioware has final call over that wether one agrees with it or not.

The simple fact that better, deeper and varied choices in an RPG are always a good thing, and they should be included for that reason alone, and once again lay off Bioware.

Peace

[Blacklash93]

Sahariel wrote...

Ummm actually male seahorses carry their young to term so thats not always the case. As to what goes on in a fictional sci-fi universe is I would say up to that universe's creators, but if I can find a real world example of a male carrying a child it gives Bioware a bit of leeway in defining the paramaters of the aliens that they create. So before you go around calling other people idiots in capital letters, go and get an education.

Anyway back to the matter in hand more relationship options in games makes for a more interesting game. I think the to-ing and fro-ing over the Asari issue is a pointless excercise as we are ultimately arguing over something made up, and Bioware has final call over that wether one agrees with it or not.

That't the thing. Bioware already made the call with the codex entry on the Asari. They can't just take that back. To do so would be nothing more than a retcon.

Anyone attracted to Asari would have to be psychologically attracted to the feminine form, at any rate.

[Centauri2002]

@Sahariel: Yes, and BioWare defined the asari as female. It's other people coming into this thread and saying otherwise as a frail attempt to try and debunk the fact that same sex romances exist in the game that are causing the arguments in the first place

[Cootie]

Hmmm, soooo...

Let's try something new, since Bioware's only really willing to confirm things concerning their main targets.
Could anyone try another angle? Like, instead of asking for homosexual content, we should ask whether or not the heterosexual Shepards will have access to exclusive content?

[Ryzaki]

The issue with the male seahorse compairson is that they rely on female seahorses to give them the young in the first place do they not?  Edit: Yup a few minutes on google sorted that out. The males don't create the eggs. The females implant them within the male. That's not with the Asari do. 

I'm no authority on sea horses but I'm fairly certain that's how it is.

A female Asari has no need for a female. She can just as easily reproduce with a male.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 12 mai 2011 - 11:19 .

[MACharlie1]

I don't remember where I read this (this was way back) but wasn't Ken supposed to be a male Kelly?

[KawaiiKatie]

MACharlie1 wrote...

I don't remember where I read this (this was way back) but wasn't Ken supposed to be a male Kelly?

Ugh, no, and I'm so disappointed! He really should have been! But even Kenneth was supposed to be a heterosexual romance. *headdesk*

Dusty Everman talks about it here, specifically saying that Kenneth was supposed to be a "light" romance for "the straight female."

[Jademoon121]

Why can't Bioware just tell us why manShep can't be with other men? If it's just about money and/or development time, I can take and understand that. Romances aren't high on the list of priorities; but pulling all these excuses like "Shepherd is an established character" despite the fact that you can choose Shep's gender, childhood, morals, beliefs, looks, etc. only hurts their case. What are they so hesitant?

Edit! I really shouldn't post after eating....

Modifié par Jademoon121, 13 mai 2011 - 12:08 .

[Sahariel]

Ryzaki wrote...

The issue with the male seahorse compairson is that they rely on female seahorses to give them the young in the first place do they not?  Edit: Yup a few minutes on google sorted that out. The males don't create the eggs. The females implant them within the male. That's not with the Asari do. 

I'm no authority on sea horses but I'm fairly certain that's how it is.

A female Asari has no need for a female. She can just as easily reproduce with a male.

There is no issue whatsoever with the comparison, I simply used it to shoot down when someone erroneously stated

"Asari can get pregnant and have babies, therefore they are female aliens."

Seahorses can get pregnant but they are not necessarily female, I am well aware of the differences between Asari and Seahorses I was simply challenging assumptions someone else made calling someone else an idiot. If in the wonderous world of real life a male can be pregnant, what can happen in a fictional universe can be even more diverse.

[Sahariel]

Jademoon121 wrote...

Why can't Bioware just tell us why manShep can't be with other men? If it's just about money and/or development time, I can take and understand that. Romances aren't high on the list of priorities; but pulling all these excuses like "Shepherd is an established character" despite the fact that you can choose Shep's gender, childhood, morals, beliefs, looks, etc. only hurts their case. What are they so hesitant?

Edit! I really shouldn't post after eating....

Ok if in Bioware's view manShep's orientation is cast in stone, then that is I am afraid that. That doesn't however mean that Shephard has to be straight in your mind. After all in this case with interactive fiction you are part of the creative process, so if you want manShep to be gay, go right ahead.

In Blade Runner there is the very interesting question of wether Deckard is a replicant, with Ridley Scott interpreting it one way, Harrison Ford another and the audience is pretty much clear to interpret the character as it makes sense to them. This is even more significant with video games, he is your Shep interpret him exactly how you want to.

As to actually including m/m content for ME3 lets hope they do, but if in the worst case they don't it is still likely to be a benchmark for storytelling in gaming, and I'm sure most here straight, gay or bi will enjoy it.